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Octafish

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11. War with Iran sounds crazy. War with Russia sounds like it would be suicidal.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 03:51 PM
Mar 2015

Yet, the signs are all there. And, had we a national news media with integrity, more would know what we need to do to stop yet another illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous war for profit.



A great article from Katya Soldak of Forbes from two years before the It-Wasn't-a-CIA-Coup:



Message from Condoleezza Rice to Ukraine:

"The World is Watching You"

Katya Soldak
Forbes, 9/19/2012

Recently, Condoleezza Rice, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Gordon Brown, Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovych and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan congregated at Livadia Palace in Southern Ukraine, the summer retreat of the last Russian tsar, Nicolas II—a Renaissance style building on the top of a hill, with the Black Sea rolling below. The same place as where Theodore Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin met at their famed Yalta conference of 1945.

The difference is that back then the rulers of the powerful countries met to make real decisions about the world’s future. This past weekend, Rice, and other guests of the 9th annual Yalta European Strategy meeting came to share their thoughts about the world’s challenges. Discussions today could influence policymakers and lead to making tomorrow’s decisions.

Among the matters discussed were the economic future of Europe and the role of the United States in dealing with economic and political issues of today. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian theme continued throughout the two-day conference. The government imprisoned former prime minister and opposition leader, Yulia Tymoshenko, and this has drawn criticism by the West; Ukraine tightens conditions for independent media and freedom of speech; the parliamentary elections coming up this October have already caused concerns among democratic observers on the subject of fairness and transparency.

Condoleezza Rice made it clear in her speech that the world is interested in Ukraine and is carefully watching all its developments: “Country like Ukraine with consolidation of democracy is watched carefully,” she said. Rice emphasized the importance of freedom of speech and free elections. “If Ukraine speaks in one voice, this voice would be heard.”

SNIP...

Indeed, the 9th annual Yalta conference – by many opinions, one of the best international platforms for discussions among high-profile politicians and innovative thinkers – is organized by Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk’s foundation and is taking place in Ukraine at a time when European leaders have recently boycotted the Euro 2012 soccer championship over Tymoshenko’s arrest and detainment. The fact that American politicians like Condoleezza Rice and Britain’s Gordon Brown attended, can’t be attributed to good relationships between Ukrainian and Western governments.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2012/09/19/message-from-condoleezza-rice-to-ukraine-the-world-is-watching-you/



In retrospect, it appears the Neocons -- the axis of Wall Street and Secret Government -- have stayed on top the entire time. And, like their ilk did to Iran in 1953, neither the Ukraine Operation nor war on Iran or Russia will benefit the American people as a whole. It will benefit the owners of Big Oil and Condoleeza Rice and the rest of Wall Street-on-the-Potomac.

There's still one sliver of hope for justice and democracy to prevail. As you've noted, sabrina 1, there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

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What are Jeff Bezo's politics, anyway? leveymg Mar 2015 #1
The guy once sounded liberal in the Princeton sense of ''Service''... Octafish Mar 2015 #2
So Bezo sets up a "right to happiness" strawman and knocks it down to justify his love of money? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #6
How did he get dragged into this? KamaAina Mar 2015 #3
He's a Libertarian. Socially liberal, but Right on issues like war and economics. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #9
I'd say, there's no real line between D and R on foreign policy, now, but where is Bezos on this? leveymg Mar 2015 #10
He also put big bucks into buying the WaPo... JHB Mar 2015 #18
Oh, right. I must have blocked that out. KamaAina Mar 2015 #23
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran KamaAina Mar 2015 #4
Marching to AIPAC's Tune Octafish Mar 2015 #7
We should ask Colon Powell if he has any evidence that Iran has pipes that look like irregation rhett o rick Mar 2015 #12
Hey don't forget the radio control airplane Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #28
Thanks, I did forget. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #32
Stop quoting Panama Johnnie! n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2015 #13
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that these neocons have had Iran as their sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #5
War with Iran sounds crazy. War with Russia sounds like it would be suicidal. Octafish Mar 2015 #11
Muravchik has been blowing that horn for years now Electric Monk Mar 2015 #8
Thanks! The guy's a Fellow of the 'George W Bush Institute' Octafish Mar 2015 #16
So many painful memories - thanks, I think... erronis Mar 2015 #17
I wrote the comment in the last sentence. Archae Mar 2015 #29
Neocons = Fascist Nazis Enthusiast Mar 2015 #14
What the Reichsmarschall said also can apply to DU. Octafish Mar 2015 #20
I'm convinced. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #42
People like Leo Strauss and Paul Wolfowitz, who believe they are so clever and intelligent, are Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #43
Now, why exactly are we suppose to bomb Iran? KansDem Mar 2015 #15
Because it't the only Islamic country in the ME not under the boot of the US military n/t eridani Mar 2015 #19
Money. Logistics. Netanyahu. Octafish Mar 2015 #24
I am sick of this war nonsense. I am sick of these war makers. Their minds are poisoned with Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #21
They stand to make a killing off death and suffering. Octafish Mar 2015 #27
Awwww. Did daddy take your toys away? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #22
The Pitfalls of Peace Octafish Mar 2015 #33
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #25
War has been the rights objective for years liberal N proud Mar 2015 #26
Essential knowledge: look up "Project for a New American Century" aka PNAC Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #30
where is Richard Perle these days, I wonder? nt grasswire Mar 2015 #31
Do you trust Iran's Leadership??? nt greytdemocrat Mar 2015 #34
Not if it is as corrupt as ours. Octafish Mar 2015 #41
And when the last drug cocktails for lethal injections are dispensed, these are the same fucks that lonestarnot Mar 2015 #35
''War with Iran is probably our best option'' is what the Washington Post said. Octafish Mar 2015 #46
Draft dodging neo cons, nilesobek Mar 2015 #36
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #44
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Mar 2015 #37
Jeb is a PNAC-signing Neocon. nt wiggs Mar 2015 #38
The instant we get off oil, we will stop hearing about what a threat Iran is. Marr Mar 2015 #39
It ain't bullshit. Iran could attack Israel any time now. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #45
well, bush & cheney got away with an 'aggressive war' spanone Mar 2015 #40
Thank goodness it's in print in a paper known nationally.. fadedrose Mar 2015 #47
We should listen to the neocons because they were so right about Iraq Martin Eden Mar 2015 #48
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