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Octafish

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20. What the Reichsmarschall said also can apply to DU.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 05:31 PM
Mar 2015
“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” -- Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring in conversation with prison psychologist and U.S. Army Captain Gustave M. Gilbert.


The connections to PNAC become clear as we run up to more war for profit in Iran or Ukraine or the Russias.





How we -- "We" as in We the People, the Government of the United States -- got to thinking this way:

Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

By Jim Lobe / AlterNet May 18, 2003

What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done – people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) – an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.

Like Wolfowitz, Shulsky is a student of an obscure German Jewish political philosopher named Leo Strauss who arrived in the United States in 1938. Strauss taught at several major universities, including Wolfowitz and Shulsky's alma mater, the University of Chicago, before his death in 1973.

Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.

Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men – as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."

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http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss%27_philosophy_of_deception



In a way, the neocons are so very right, Enthusiast. They believe, as long as a few people -- their people, the ones who consider themselves "superior" to other human beings based on anything from wealth to skin tone -- remain alive after their wars, they will consider it a "win."

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What are Jeff Bezo's politics, anyway? leveymg Mar 2015 #1
The guy once sounded liberal in the Princeton sense of ''Service''... Octafish Mar 2015 #2
So Bezo sets up a "right to happiness" strawman and knocks it down to justify his love of money? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #6
How did he get dragged into this? KamaAina Mar 2015 #3
He's a Libertarian. Socially liberal, but Right on issues like war and economics. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #9
I'd say, there's no real line between D and R on foreign policy, now, but where is Bezos on this? leveymg Mar 2015 #10
He also put big bucks into buying the WaPo... JHB Mar 2015 #18
Oh, right. I must have blocked that out. KamaAina Mar 2015 #23
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran KamaAina Mar 2015 #4
Marching to AIPAC's Tune Octafish Mar 2015 #7
We should ask Colon Powell if he has any evidence that Iran has pipes that look like irregation rhett o rick Mar 2015 #12
Hey don't forget the radio control airplane Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #28
Thanks, I did forget. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #32
Stop quoting Panama Johnnie! n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2015 #13
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that these neocons have had Iran as their sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #5
War with Iran sounds crazy. War with Russia sounds like it would be suicidal. Octafish Mar 2015 #11
Muravchik has been blowing that horn for years now Electric Monk Mar 2015 #8
Thanks! The guy's a Fellow of the 'George W Bush Institute' Octafish Mar 2015 #16
So many painful memories - thanks, I think... erronis Mar 2015 #17
I wrote the comment in the last sentence. Archae Mar 2015 #29
Neocons = Fascist Nazis Enthusiast Mar 2015 #14
What the Reichsmarschall said also can apply to DU. Octafish Mar 2015 #20
I'm convinced. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #42
People like Leo Strauss and Paul Wolfowitz, who believe they are so clever and intelligent, are Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #43
Now, why exactly are we suppose to bomb Iran? KansDem Mar 2015 #15
Because it't the only Islamic country in the ME not under the boot of the US military n/t eridani Mar 2015 #19
Money. Logistics. Netanyahu. Octafish Mar 2015 #24
I am sick of this war nonsense. I am sick of these war makers. Their minds are poisoned with Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #21
They stand to make a killing off death and suffering. Octafish Mar 2015 #27
Awwww. Did daddy take your toys away? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #22
The Pitfalls of Peace Octafish Mar 2015 #33
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #25
War has been the rights objective for years liberal N proud Mar 2015 #26
Essential knowledge: look up "Project for a New American Century" aka PNAC Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #30
where is Richard Perle these days, I wonder? nt grasswire Mar 2015 #31
Do you trust Iran's Leadership??? nt greytdemocrat Mar 2015 #34
Not if it is as corrupt as ours. Octafish Mar 2015 #41
And when the last drug cocktails for lethal injections are dispensed, these are the same fucks that lonestarnot Mar 2015 #35
''War with Iran is probably our best option'' is what the Washington Post said. Octafish Mar 2015 #46
Draft dodging neo cons, nilesobek Mar 2015 #36
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #44
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Mar 2015 #37
Jeb is a PNAC-signing Neocon. nt wiggs Mar 2015 #38
The instant we get off oil, we will stop hearing about what a threat Iran is. Marr Mar 2015 #39
It ain't bullshit. Iran could attack Israel any time now. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #45
well, bush & cheney got away with an 'aggressive war' spanone Mar 2015 #40
Thank goodness it's in print in a paper known nationally.. fadedrose Mar 2015 #47
We should listen to the neocons because they were so right about Iraq Martin Eden Mar 2015 #48
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