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Hoyt

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13. He's negotiating with government representatives from each country.

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:26 PM

Mar 2015

I'm sure companies that trade internationally are lobbying each country's trade representatives. Unions, environmentalists, workers' rights groups, etc., are also lobbying.

I don't blindly trust Obama to negotiate a fair agreement. However, we'll see it soon enough to assess it, assuming he even endorses one. In the meantime, I see no reason to undermine the negotiations in a manner similar to the GOP letter to Iran.

Similarly, I don't trust "critics" -- with an axe to grind, trying to build a following, or too myopic to see how such an agreement might be beneficial long-term -- to be honest with us.

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'Progressive' Coalition for Fast Track and TPP Appears from Nowhere [View all] Octafish Mar 2015 OP

"Progressive Coalition to Lie About Being Progressive" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #1

I wonder how many progressives this will fool. Had me going for a minute. I just about rhett o rick Mar 2015 #15

sickening. progressives will not be fooled by these asswipes. cali Mar 2015 #2

The pic says it all DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #3

We need to create a new term to call us progressives and then PATENT it! cascadiance Mar 2015 #4

"Liberal" is simply a word Conservatives use to demonize Democrats. Maedhros Mar 2015 #5

I wouldn't say simply... I'm damn proud of calling myself liberal. I know the rw wants it to be cui bono Mar 2015 #30

They are like Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland... Maedhros Mar 2015 #45

Reagan's PR people made ''Liberal'' the target. Octafish Mar 2015 #52

I do not think Obama will endorse a bad trade agreement. Further, Hoyt Mar 2015 #6

Obama prefers to negotiate with business people than with workers. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #8

Yep. The people were shut out from the get go hifiguy Mar 2015 #12

He's negotiating with government representatives from each country. Hoyt Mar 2015 #13

The American workers' wages have been on the decline for decades now. Just how is international liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #16

Doing nothing -- and letting other countries capture trade agreements -- ain't gonna help. Hoyt Mar 2015 #22

The only people these trade agreements help are wealthy business owners. Thanks but no thanks. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #25

Do you really think that international trade is bad for American workers? Why pampango Mar 2015 #36

+1 Hoyt Mar 2015 #40

Corporations know they can get away with treating Americans workers worse than other countries. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #44

So, let's do nothing and let the other countries band together to trade. Hoyt Mar 2015 #70

We will see it... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #78

If this was a "positive" bill to fix things, it wouldn't need Fast Track! cascadiance Mar 2015 #9

It probably won't get fast-track. But tell me something -- If you were the Japanese government or Hoyt Mar 2015 #21

If I were the Japanese government, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #96

You obviously haven't read how dispute resolution work. They only affect trade disputes, like Hoyt Mar 2015 #102

I watched the televised debates in the Japanese parliament Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #103

If there is enough opposition among Japanese government, they won't ratify it. I bet they do. Hoyt Mar 2015 #104

The Japanese government is controlled by a right-wing coalition Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #105

Obama wouldn't have negotiated in secret or pushed fast track Divernan Mar 2015 #10

Already did in #21. But here it is again, Hoyt Mar 2015 #31

Your "belief" that the final draft will contain some positive aspects is based on what? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #24

Obama has indicated why he's involved in these talks. I believe it could be in our best interest. Hoyt Mar 2015 #35

If your argument is that the TPP will help American industries, I agree. But it won't help workers. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #47

I didn't say TPP is all that needed. Sorry, we can't solve all the issues in one post. Hoyt Mar 2015 #73

That's like all the critics of TPP who say "it could" hurt......... Hoyt Mar 2015 #74

It's up to the person selling the product to convince the consumer (the 99%) that the product rhett o rick Mar 2015 #84

Nope, he's saying he is doing what all the countries are doing. Hoyt Mar 2015 #86

It doesn't pass the logic test to say that although those portions leaked or revealed rhett o rick Mar 2015 #89

It's your opinion it's damaging. As another poster pointed out, European countries have been Hoyt Mar 2015 #93

What good has come out of NAFTA for the American people? cui bono Mar 2015 #32

You have no idea of how bad things might be without NAFTA. I believe Paul Krugman, when he said Hoyt Mar 2015 #38

So, what good has come from NAFTA for the American people? n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #39

It's solidified our relations with our neighbors and Hoyt Mar 2015 #43

Yeah, it would be good for those business owners. Doubtful it would good for the workers of that liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #46

Now that is short-sighted. If the business isn't doing relatively well, you sure aren't Hoyt Mar 2015 #57

I'm so tired of hearing the argument that if business owners don't get want they want there liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #60

It's a two way street. You just naturally assume Nutcase is a slave driver. I don't. Hoyt Mar 2015 #63

I'm done arguing with you. I think it is pretty clear you side with business owners rather than liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #65

I think a lot more folks are satisfied with their jobs than you think. But, I agree there are Hoyt Mar 2015 #69

"Do you care about them?" awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #79

That's what I thought, you don't care about workers in other countries. Hoyt Mar 2015 #81

... liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #83

No, you sound like the 1%ers when we start talking about people in other countries. Hoyt Mar 2015 #85

Well then we have something in common because you sound like the 1%ers when it comes to liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #87

The vast majority of workers have a living wage. Agree somethingneeds to be done for those who don't Hoyt Mar 2015 #94

no, the vast majority of workers do not have a living wage. Wages have been stagnant for decades and liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #98

The economic policies of the last 40 years... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #95

We can help both with a decent trade agreement. Hoyt Mar 2015 #97

Too bad that "a decent trade agreement" awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #101

You never explained how a free trade agreement - NAFTA - has helped American workers. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #107

The person you are quoting from "Nutcase Helmets" is the founder and owner. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #49

If the head of Costco had written an article like that, would you still be posting such stuff? Hoyt Mar 2015 #58

get back when the head of Costco writes an article like that frylock Mar 2015 #71

Maybe someone from Oregon will offer some insight, before we just assume he abuses his labor force. Hoyt Mar 2015 #59

And we were doing so well to. I didn't say that he "abuses his labor force". But he didn't even say rhett o rick Mar 2015 #80

I suspect he could use Vietnam now if he wanted. That's the thing, this trend ain't gonna Hoyt Mar 2015 #82

Word of this bullshit needs to spread themaguffin Mar 2015 #106

In 2012, Obama negotiated the "Korean Free Trade Agreement" for us. bvar22 Mar 2015 #48

Trade agreements are a little more long-term than that. Hoyt Mar 2015 #75

If we lost 60,000 jobs in only 3 years to one nation NickB79 Mar 2015 #100

If there were environmentalists, unions, citizen groups negotiating, but corps only? NO!! on point Mar 2015 #51

"many were wrong about Obama gutting social security, approving the pipeline, supporting net neutr" Hissyspit Mar 2015 #56

It did not happen. You can't argue with that. Hoyt Mar 2015 #77

Not arguing with that. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #90

This post is making things clearer. cui bono Mar 2015 #108

It would be easy enough sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #72

So you have faith in Obama's ISDS clause? riobravo Mar 2015 #99

The DINOs already had started this name grab with the "Progressive" Policy Institute "Think Tank"... cascadiance Mar 2015 #7

yep . . . .n/t annabanana Mar 2015 #66

So, Third Way "Democrats" have a new moniker. They can run, but they can't hide. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #11

Hidden in plain sight...they KNOW that PROGRESSIVISM is MORE POPULAR HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #14

I'm not afraid of the label socialist, but I just bet Third Wayers would be. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #20

At least as I see it, American progressives are more democrats interested in social issues HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #27

You cannot have social justice without economic justice. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #33

I share that view. You also can't have social progress without spending money HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #41

Arbeit macht fre Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #17

shape shifters grasswire Mar 2015 #18

For a moment... Oilwellian Mar 2015 #54

"Progressive" has quickly become a word of no value. mmonk Mar 2015 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #26

Correct. Symantics control people more than reality these days. mmonk Mar 2015 #37

Progressive my arsehole. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #23

Progressive Fascism Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #29

I think some people think that if you support one issue that is progressive, then rhett o rick Mar 2015 #28

They are progressively more right wing, that's about the extent of their progressivism. cui bono Mar 2015 #34

Smells like astro turf BS to con public into supporting stinky TPP on point Mar 2015 #42

If the TPP is as good a legislative idea as POTUS is hawking... nightscanner59 Mar 2015 #50

Is Will Marshall part of this "progressive" group? Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #53

k&r Keep calling them out. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #55

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #61

Why no mention herein re the ISDS clause of TPP? riobravo Mar 2015 #62

THIS is the ONE thing that MUST be understood about this monstrosity! annabanana Mar 2015 #67

The three judge ISDS panels riobravo Mar 2015 #88

disgusting. blackspade Mar 2015 #64

Trade-Related Job Loss by State whereisjustice Mar 2015 #68

False flag operation librechik Mar 2015 #76

K & R AzDar Mar 2015 #91

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #92