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Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:02 PM

Mar 2015

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6388991

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This is an extremely offensive and sexist idea to put out there...that adult women who have sworn out complaints of rape are being "used." It's sexist, and would never be said of a man who was assaulted. It's a disgusting trope that adult women are incapable of making decisions, and are not to be believed. Please hide it, and show that sexism is not tolerated on DU.

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Explanation: Assange is innocent. The women's stories have changed, and they are at the very least being used to prosecute, and ultimately extradite Assange. Bullshit alert. You could have just as easily made this point in the thread, but went for a hide instead. Weak sauce.
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Explanation: what the absolute fuck. Hide this POS
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Explanation: Additional fact:The women bragged about having sex with Assange.

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To Believe Julian Assange, You Must Believe Israel Shamir, Vicious Anti-Semite and Liar. [View all] msanthrope Mar 2015 OP

An excellent, and sad, account misanthrope mcar Mar 2015 #1

You are welcome. It really is a very simple issue--either you believe that there's a worldwide msanthrope Mar 2015 #7

Isn't it possible to believe both? n/t eggplant Mar 2015 #104

I don't think so. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #106

or azureblue Mar 2015 #122

Rape is not a felony in Sweden? Can you cite that? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #128

Nah, msanthrope is reporting on what is happening with Julian Assange right now.. if you choose to Cha Mar 2015 #157

Rape is a felony in Sweden, and that's what the women accused him or raping them. Forcible sex pnwmom Mar 2015 #179

Thank you for all your work putting this together. Those women deserve their day in court. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #178

I think the term "concierge justice" was used to describe the treatment some here msanthrope Mar 2015 #198

So sad, too. That people slurp up 1960s era propaganda. Thank Hank I had parents that taught me to Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #100

True>>> Exclusive New Docs Throw Doubt on Julian Assange Rape Charges in Stockholm avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #250

Wow, very thorough post... Spazito Mar 2015 #2

What a desperate jumbled stinking pile of non sequiturs, drivel logic, and false dichotomies. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #3

I felt that way reading Israel Shamir's honeypot defense..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #5

He is a disgusting individual who has pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of Matterate Mar 2015 #4

Don't read any Polanski rape apologia threads on here. They are vomit inducing. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #6

+1 freshwest Mar 2015 #33

Israel Shamir is a piece of shit. zappaman Mar 2015 #8

I'm of the opinion that repeated linkage to certain types of sources indicates that you share those msanthrope Mar 2015 #9

As the TOS says... tammywammy Mar 2015 #10

At this point, I would have to agree. zappaman Mar 2015 #76

When Holocaust denial sites have been linked to geek tragedy Mar 2015 #116

It still goes on. zappaman Mar 2015 #121

Yeah. It used to be so bad though. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #125

We had a member who was banned for supporting Ron Paul. zappaman Mar 2015 #126

Another one just got zapped. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #135

Israel Shamir also accused the CIA of putting the women up to it.... zappaman Mar 2015 #137

Last week, the poster decided Christopher Bollyn was a credible source... SidDithers Mar 2015 #212

Wrong. All the strawmen in the world don't diminish what Assange revealed. Octafish Mar 2015 #11

He can be both a free speech hero and a rapist hack89 Mar 2015 #14

That's why I don't bother to attack the messenger, but try to understand the message. Octafish Mar 2015 #40

I have no problems with Wikileaks. Assange is not Wikileaks. Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #48

No he can't. Welcome to All-Good, All-Nader DUlandia WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2015 #68

Let me quote another DUer: tblue Mar 2015 #197

So celebrate him for the leaks and punish him for the rape hack89 Mar 2015 #200

Being a proven liar does diminish the probability you should be believed. Being an anti-Semite does, msanthrope Mar 2015 #16

What does that have to do with what WikiLeaks revealed? Octafish Mar 2015 #44

I didn't discuss that in the OP Octa. I discussed the charges against him. And I'm not in a court msanthrope Mar 2015 #55

That's why I posted it: WikiLeaks documented goverment criminality. Octafish Mar 2015 #130

Who are you to decide that the women who accuse Assange should not see justice? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #134

Apparently, since other people have gotten away with different crimes... zappaman Mar 2015 #139

Absolutely.....I've had clients who point that out. Of course, as a criminal defense msanthrope Mar 2015 #145

Who are you to put words in my mouth? Octafish Mar 2015 #141

So, you agree those women should see justice? zappaman Mar 2015 #142

You made a judgment about what "matters more." Who are you to judge that? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #146

"Matters more for US democracy." It's like A Tribe Called Qwest, you say the whole thing Scootaloo Mar 2015 #153

Might want to differentiate then Scootaloo Mar 2015 #152

You know who else was a rapist? JFK. (Look up Mimi Alford.) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #18

The affair was consensual and lasted eighteen months DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #21

That would change my opinion, were it true. Octafish Mar 2015 #29

Thank you. 840high Mar 2015 #88

And the documents he revealed don't excuse sexual assault. pnwmom Mar 2015 #180

Apparently, that's the way it works. zappaman Mar 2015 #187

Girls and women don't really matter, anyway.. whathehell Jul 2016 #252

Bravo. hifiguy Mar 2015 #232

But Assange is so dreamy! How could he possibly lie? Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #12

with this crap you have him tried, convicted, sentenced and evidently want him drawn and quartered hobbit709 Mar 2015 #13

OP is a word salad of logical fallacies LittleBlue Mar 2015 #15

Well, either you believe Assange's honeypot defense, or you don't. Do you, or don't you? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #17

I formed my opinions independent of anyone's claims in this case LittleBlue Mar 2015 #19

Even Assange's own defense? Wikileaks put forth this defense....and it's proven false. That msanthrope Mar 2015 #22

I found the claims difficult to believe due to the timing of the allegations LittleBlue Mar 2015 #34

I wouldn't assume she has a strong case against Assange. In fact, I would say he stands an msanthrope Mar 2015 #38

Probably. My confusion comes from the fact that the prosecutor says she could have LittleBlue Mar 2015 #56

This brought up an additional question that I thought you could answer for me LittleBlue Mar 2015 #140

I think Assange is basically a coward. I've had guilty clients fuck up completely minor sentencing msanthrope Mar 2015 #143

Indeed. Sentence first, trial later. And the ad hominem argument to discredit Assange's proven revelations is classic. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #31

Israel Shamir is a Neo-Nazi piece of shit, and Assange's choice to associate with Neo-Nazi trash geek tragedy Mar 2015 #20

Oh, some do and don't care when called on it. zappaman Mar 2015 #79

Really a Neo-Nazi who wrote for Haaretz? Oooooh kay. And ya know, I do not agree with Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #93

please don't interject facts into the discussion. wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #102

Are you denying that Shamir is a vile bigot? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #113

nope! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #115

Great! Peace nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #118

Shamir claims he wrote for Haaretz. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #105

Can you cite anything he actually wrote for Haaretz? Rationalwiki cannot substantiate many of his msanthrope Mar 2015 #131

Who sends ya'll this stuff to post on DU? Or do ya'll make it up yourselves? Zorra Mar 2015 #23

Counterpunch is left-wing, Zorra....and had no problem publishing the honeypot defense. msanthrope Mar 2015 #26

Collage (noun) a combination or collection of various things. Zorra Mar 2015 #57

Well...how many are bail-jumping fugitives living in an Embassy and having press conferences? msanthrope Mar 2015 #71

"The DU right.."? Lame attempt to smear, Z. Assange gets facts reported on him and you call it Cha Mar 2015 #147

Exactly. Apparently if you don't buy the conspiracy theories, you R B Garr Mar 2015 #161

Yes, Precisely.. they're really quick with their personal insults.. that's all they have while Cha Mar 2015 #162

There is, very clearly, a DU right. It's not a smear, it's a stone cold fact. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #235

No, it's not a fact that those who disagree with you about assange are on the right. And, it's an a Cha Mar 2015 #242

Her blather reminds me of all the propaganda that I heard against civil rights activists in the 60s. Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #97

So Shamir, the liar, is to be believed over Wikileaks own spokesman, Kristinn Hrafnsson, who msanthrope Mar 2015 #114

She accuses you of "blather".. while "blathering".. lol they all have their thumbs in their Cha Mar 2015 #155

Oh, LA and I go way back---she always gives me a chuckle..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #165

Just Wow! So ready to "gotcha!" when it was she who got busted. smh Cha Mar 2015 #177

The intrepid MADem......and that thread was one for the ages..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #203

Yes it was.. oh, that's right.. many months ago! mahalo Cha Mar 2015 #208

That was a sad exchange there. No connection was made. freshwest Mar 2015 #190

Reason.com? Seriously? "reason.com - free minds, and free markets" Zorra Mar 2015 #238

+1,000,000 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #173

I miss HiPointDem on threads like this, don't you? I remember the time HiPointDem msanthrope Mar 2015 #205

And then HiPointDem was banned as an homophobe... SidDithers Mar 2015 #217

but... zappaman Mar 2015 #226

HiPointDem....from the "DU Volunteer Pest Control" archives Zorra Mar 2015 #240

Yeah......it's pretty obvious. I try to helpfully point when I can. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #241

-70 *(980*5609.8 - 6) +208 / 490,000 snooper2 Mar 2015 #236

+2 x 1,000,000 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #244

Since when is it right-wing to support women being taken seriously when they make claims of rape pnwmom Mar 2015 #183

This is so obviously a false dichotomy that I will use it when I teach critical thinking. Vattel Mar 2015 #24

Isn't there a fourth possibility? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #27

That's the first possibility: believe the women who have alleged the acts arcane1 Mar 2015 #36

Or even, that the charges may be true (or mostly true), but morningfog Mar 2015 #30

Well, when you say lengths to prosecute, let me ask you something..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #42

It's more than simply not dropping the charges. morningfog Mar 2015 #59

I don't like parsing between rape victims...I think the charges against msanthrope Mar 2015 #63

Is that what you think? The charges are false but not part of a CIA plot? Why do you not believe msanthrope Mar 2015 #35

No, that's not what I think. Vattel Mar 2015 #41

What do you think of a defendant who flees the jurisdiction, and then has an employee put out such a msanthrope Mar 2015 #46

What do you think about the credibility of a poster Vattel Mar 2015 #52

I didn't present a false dichotomy, Vattel.....I presented an uncomfortable moral question msanthrope Mar 2015 #58

No, you presented a false dichotomy Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #195

Thank you for this evening's reading material. And a new perspective. freshwest Mar 2015 #28

Why? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #89

Check out this piece I just found when I google Shamir and Assange.. two peas in pod.. Cha Mar 2015 #189

Thank you for putting this together ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #32

Old stuff tossed together in guilt-by-association fallacy. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #91

Bullshit. 99Forever Mar 2015 #37

Are you calling me a tool? A slang term for a male member? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #39

No, he is not saying that you are a tool in the sense of being a male member. Vattel Mar 2015 #49

Do you speak for that poster, or are you assuming that's he meant? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #66

It is quite obvious what the first poster meant Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #83

Do you speak for that poster? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #85

It was obvious what he meant Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #86

I'm asking you if you speak for that poster. How do you know what is in their mind? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #87

It's not what I thought he meant, so I guess it's not so obvious. zappaman Mar 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #148

Yes he does. 99Forever Mar 2015 #99

of course you are right. nt grasswire Mar 2015 #227

Yes he does. 99Forever Mar 2015 #101

Google image 'tool'. Some fascinating stuff. randome Mar 2015 #50

Has nothing to do with genitals. 99Forever Mar 2015 #98

Okay, then who do think I am be used by? The CIA? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #103

Oh please. 99Forever Mar 2015 #109

They have nothing.. so they resort to attacking with personal insults. Quite pathetic actually Cha Mar 2015 #164

The evil gubmint, of course. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #213

The NSA does have a good dental plan, I'll give them that. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #218

the perpetually outraged ND-Dem Mar 2015 #176

Yeah, why would anyone be outraged by rape? zappaman Mar 2015 #182

right, that's what i said and that's certainly logical my you've outdone yourself ND-Dem Mar 2015 #184

No, I understood you. zappaman Mar 2015 #185

So, still wondering... zappaman Mar 2015 #191

Not sure they do if they adhere to julian and shamir's philosophy.. Cha Mar 2015 #192

"Bullshit" "Wadda tool".. that needs to boomerang right backatcha. Cha Mar 2015 #163

Don't smear Shamir, assauge Assange. randome Mar 2015 #45

Assange's character is not important to me. The crimes he exposed are. Any comment on the crimes? Scuba Mar 2015 #47

What about the crime of rape he is accused of? hack89 Mar 2015 #51

The Scott Ritter defense? randome Mar 2015 #53

Can't we just look forward? OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #62

It should not apply to any crime. Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #72

It SHOULD not apply to any crime, OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #78

That's something for Swedish authorities to pursue, if they have sufficient evidence. However ... Scuba Mar 2015 #202

So, do what I do...look objectively at what he releases, and then, demand msanthrope Mar 2015 #206

Still no comment on the war crimes exposed by Assange. Very telling. Scuba Mar 2015 #207

Which war crime? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #209

Take you pick. Scuba Mar 2015 #215

You could be a little more specific. randome Mar 2015 #221

Yes.....the edited video that took out the guy with the RPG? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #223

Forgot about that. Right. That one. randome Mar 2015 #224

Two separate issues hack89 Mar 2015 #210

Nice try, but that's a fail. I made no reference to any alleged victims being short-shrifted. Scuba Mar 2015 #214

If you say so. hack89 Mar 2015 #222

We have at least four separate issues going on. I will try to disentangle them. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #54

the bigger scandal is that Assange gave Shamir access to the cables geek tragedy Mar 2015 #64

Counterpunch is supposedly a left wing site DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #67

Shamir's homophobia is unsurprising, isn't it? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #107

Well, he is a small f fundamentalist Christian so there's that./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #117

Counterpunch is a vile cesspool of bigotry geek tragedy Mar 2015 #111

That's a good point. zappaman Mar 2015 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Mar 2015 #74

+1 LittleBlue Mar 2015 #75

The accusers and the accused are both deeply corrupt. leveymg Mar 2015 #60

How is the Swedish legal system corrupt? hack89 Mar 2015 #61

Sweden is also corrupt, but has excellent PR going back leveymg Mar 2015 #69

Nope. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #77

I am going to assume by "accusers" you do not mean the women involved? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #65

They are being used, having given their consent to that. leveymg Mar 2015 #70

I find that to be an incredibly offensive characterization of victims of sexual assault. msanthrope Mar 2015 #73

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #80

So what happened to them....the forcible acts described in EAW, is not "real rape?" nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #81

Wow. zappaman Mar 2015 #82

It's simply stunning. It truly is. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #84

it is those with eyes wide open to the greater crimes of state which leveymg Mar 2015 #92

The greatest act of violence in this case didn't happen in bed. leveymg Mar 2015 #90

A "mere sex crime" "real rape?" I find it interesting that you don't actually address the acts msanthrope Mar 2015 #96

Unbelievable. I must say, this thread has certainly been very enlightening. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #108

Todd Akinism. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #112

just barely Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #132

THis one got a HIDE.. thankfully.. Cha Mar 2015 #154

Great hide zappaman Mar 2015 #156

Long overdue. Cha Mar 2015 #159

glad someone alerted on that one. It was every bit as offensive. Thanks, Cha Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #158

You're welcome, Tuesday.. Cha Mar 2015 #160

GT's post made me google. From AlJazeera: freshwest Mar 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Mar 2015 #110

Are you actually telling us that Shamir is not an anti-Semite? msanthrope Mar 2015 #127

No. Did you read what I wrote? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #129

Yes--you seem to be claiming that Shamir is being "smeared." How does one smear a msanthrope Mar 2015 #133

I self-deleted it. You are obviously going to be dishonest about this. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #136

How does one smear Assange on this point? Israel Shamir--and his son, work for Wikileaks. msanthrope Mar 2015 #144

As I said, dishonest. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #166

How does one smear Assange on this point? Was he unable to work the Google? msanthrope Mar 2015 #169

Was he unaware? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #172

You would think Assange would google a prospective employee, right? I mean, this is the guy msanthrope Mar 2015 #174

Maybe he did and liked what he saw.. I just google him and got this.. Cha Mar 2015 #188

MRA talk from a 'liberal' hero? freshwest Mar 2015 #193

"Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul".. yeah, I'd say assange is something.. backing racist Cha Mar 2015 #194

Forget Your Team: Your Online Violence Toward Girls and Women Is What Can Kiss My Ass.. more Cha Mar 2015 #196

And that's what so many here are trying to avoid...the "smear" of Assange is nothing msanthrope Mar 2015 #199

"Assange and Shamir have been friends for years".. and Shamir is going for the testoserone defense. Cha Mar 2015 #201

Assange is a con man.....cryptome has always been better, more msanthrope Mar 2015 #204

Problem is, neither side is trustworthy. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #119

I haven't found a single reason to impugn the credibility of the victims. If you have, please share msanthrope Mar 2015 #120

This is that same old smear campaign material dredged up for some reason. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #124

I figured MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #138

Extradition where, Manny? To the US? Then why didn't we extradite him from the UK when he was msanthrope Mar 2015 #149

Why didn't the CIA just grab his ass when he was drugged with the two women? Rex Mar 2015 #151

Given that Ed Snowden was allowed to grab virtually everything from the NSA MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #167

Assange was on bail for two years, living in the English countryside. Are you saying the msanthrope Mar 2015 #175

More sophomoric debating tactics from you MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #216

Manny, I adore the new catchword...."cryptogovernment!" I'm gonna use it msanthrope Mar 2015 #220

I hope someone at the CIA got fired for this! zappaman Mar 2015 #231

It's the slowest black bag operation, ever. Heads should roll! Abu Nasir msanthrope Mar 2015 #233

How does one smear a Holocaust-denying anti-Semite? I'm still waiting for you to msanthrope Mar 2015 #150

You post this fully knowing I already said I wasn't talking about smearing Shamir. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #168

"Bad associate decisions" is what we are calling hiring and keeping Israel Shamir and his son? msanthrope Mar 2015 #171

Do you think the women who have accused him of rape deserve their day in court? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #181

The one question guaranteed to get... zappaman Mar 2015 #186

Of course. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #211

What whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #170

According to Assange's supporters, it was not a 'legitimate rape' Lancero Mar 2015 #219

Thank you! zappaman Mar 2015 #225

I'm waiting for someone to tell me it wasn't "rape-rape." nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #228

Well, their silence on the question... zappaman Mar 2015 #229

That may be my next OP......nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #234

The response I've seen from the Assange supporters is pretty much: tammywammy Mar 2015 #237

They should comfort themselves knowing that I've had criminal DV clients msanthrope Mar 2015 #243

Great thread. bravenak Mar 2015 #239

bushco is on the loose RobertEarl Mar 2015 #245

Assange shouldn't have credibility anyway. After he was essentially forced to reveal he lied about stevenleser Mar 2015 #246

Mahalo for the links, steven Cha Mar 2015 #247

Well....who is paying Assange to push that false narrative? msanthrope Mar 2015 #248

Colbert (one of my few genuine heroes of this age) had Assange's number early on. randome Oct 2016 #255

K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #249

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