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194. "Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul".. yeah, I'd say assange is something.. backing racist

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:10 AM

Mar 2015

repubs doesn't bring him any cred. No, it's not "liberal"..

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WASHINGTON — Julian Assange is a “big admirer” of both Ron and Rand Paul, the Wikileaks founder said during a recent interview–while calling some of the younger Paul’s views “sometimes simplistic.”

The Wikileaks founder praised America’s top libertarians — former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who ran unsuccessfully for president in 2008 and 2012, and his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., viewed as a possible Republican White House contender in 2016 and perhaps the Congress’s most vocal and widely recognized libertarian — during a video Q & A, questioned by the editor of conservative campus-news and watchdog group Campus Reform.

“I am a big admirer of Ron Paul and Rand Paul, for their very principled positions in the U.S. Congress on a number of issues,” Assange said, asked about the Pauls by Campus Reform Editor-in-Chief Josian Ryan

I'd read that about Ashley Judd.. she's a strong women and can stand up to those ugly verbal attacks from stupid macho abusers.

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To Believe Julian Assange, You Must Believe Israel Shamir, Vicious Anti-Semite and Liar. [View all] msanthrope Mar 2015 OP

An excellent, and sad, account misanthrope mcar Mar 2015 #1

You are welcome. It really is a very simple issue--either you believe that there's a worldwide msanthrope Mar 2015 #7

Isn't it possible to believe both? n/t eggplant Mar 2015 #104

I don't think so. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #106

or azureblue Mar 2015 #122

Rape is not a felony in Sweden? Can you cite that? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #128

Nah, msanthrope is reporting on what is happening with Julian Assange right now.. if you choose to Cha Mar 2015 #157

Rape is a felony in Sweden, and that's what the women accused him or raping them. Forcible sex pnwmom Mar 2015 #179

Thank you for all your work putting this together. Those women deserve their day in court. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #178

I think the term "concierge justice" was used to describe the treatment some here msanthrope Mar 2015 #198

So sad, too. That people slurp up 1960s era propaganda. Thank Hank I had parents that taught me to Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #100

True>>> Exclusive New Docs Throw Doubt on Julian Assange Rape Charges in Stockholm avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #250

Wow, very thorough post... Spazito Mar 2015 #2

What a desperate jumbled stinking pile of non sequiturs, drivel logic, and false dichotomies. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #3

I felt that way reading Israel Shamir's honeypot defense..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #5

He is a disgusting individual who has pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of Matterate Mar 2015 #4

Don't read any Polanski rape apologia threads on here. They are vomit inducing. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #6

+1 freshwest Mar 2015 #33

Israel Shamir is a piece of shit. zappaman Mar 2015 #8

I'm of the opinion that repeated linkage to certain types of sources indicates that you share those msanthrope Mar 2015 #9

As the TOS says... tammywammy Mar 2015 #10

At this point, I would have to agree. zappaman Mar 2015 #76

When Holocaust denial sites have been linked to geek tragedy Mar 2015 #116

It still goes on. zappaman Mar 2015 #121

Yeah. It used to be so bad though. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #125

We had a member who was banned for supporting Ron Paul. zappaman Mar 2015 #126

Another one just got zapped. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #135

Israel Shamir also accused the CIA of putting the women up to it.... zappaman Mar 2015 #137

Last week, the poster decided Christopher Bollyn was a credible source... SidDithers Mar 2015 #212

Wrong. All the strawmen in the world don't diminish what Assange revealed. Octafish Mar 2015 #11

He can be both a free speech hero and a rapist hack89 Mar 2015 #14

That's why I don't bother to attack the messenger, but try to understand the message. Octafish Mar 2015 #40

I have no problems with Wikileaks. Assange is not Wikileaks. Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #48

No he can't. Welcome to All-Good, All-Nader DUlandia WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2015 #68

Let me quote another DUer: tblue Mar 2015 #197

So celebrate him for the leaks and punish him for the rape hack89 Mar 2015 #200

Being a proven liar does diminish the probability you should be believed. Being an anti-Semite does, msanthrope Mar 2015 #16

What does that have to do with what WikiLeaks revealed? Octafish Mar 2015 #44

I didn't discuss that in the OP Octa. I discussed the charges against him. And I'm not in a court msanthrope Mar 2015 #55

That's why I posted it: WikiLeaks documented goverment criminality. Octafish Mar 2015 #130

Who are you to decide that the women who accuse Assange should not see justice? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #134

Apparently, since other people have gotten away with different crimes... zappaman Mar 2015 #139

Absolutely.....I've had clients who point that out. Of course, as a criminal defense msanthrope Mar 2015 #145

Who are you to put words in my mouth? Octafish Mar 2015 #141

So, you agree those women should see justice? zappaman Mar 2015 #142

You made a judgment about what "matters more." Who are you to judge that? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #146

"Matters more for US democracy." It's like A Tribe Called Qwest, you say the whole thing Scootaloo Mar 2015 #153

Might want to differentiate then Scootaloo Mar 2015 #152

You know who else was a rapist? JFK. (Look up Mimi Alford.) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #18

The affair was consensual and lasted eighteen months DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #21

That would change my opinion, were it true. Octafish Mar 2015 #29

Thank you. 840high Mar 2015 #88

And the documents he revealed don't excuse sexual assault. pnwmom Mar 2015 #180

Apparently, that's the way it works. zappaman Mar 2015 #187

Girls and women don't really matter, anyway.. whathehell Jul 2016 #252

Bravo. hifiguy Mar 2015 #232

But Assange is so dreamy! How could he possibly lie? Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #12

with this crap you have him tried, convicted, sentenced and evidently want him drawn and quartered hobbit709 Mar 2015 #13

OP is a word salad of logical fallacies LittleBlue Mar 2015 #15

Well, either you believe Assange's honeypot defense, or you don't. Do you, or don't you? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #17

I formed my opinions independent of anyone's claims in this case LittleBlue Mar 2015 #19

Even Assange's own defense? Wikileaks put forth this defense....and it's proven false. That msanthrope Mar 2015 #22

I found the claims difficult to believe due to the timing of the allegations LittleBlue Mar 2015 #34

I wouldn't assume she has a strong case against Assange. In fact, I would say he stands an msanthrope Mar 2015 #38

Probably. My confusion comes from the fact that the prosecutor says she could have LittleBlue Mar 2015 #56

This brought up an additional question that I thought you could answer for me LittleBlue Mar 2015 #140

I think Assange is basically a coward. I've had guilty clients fuck up completely minor sentencing msanthrope Mar 2015 #143

Indeed. Sentence first, trial later. And the ad hominem argument to discredit Assange's proven revelations is classic. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #31

Israel Shamir is a Neo-Nazi piece of shit, and Assange's choice to associate with Neo-Nazi trash geek tragedy Mar 2015 #20

Oh, some do and don't care when called on it. zappaman Mar 2015 #79

Really a Neo-Nazi who wrote for Haaretz? Oooooh kay. And ya know, I do not agree with Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #93

please don't interject facts into the discussion. wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #102

Are you denying that Shamir is a vile bigot? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #113

nope! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #115

Great! Peace nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #118

Shamir claims he wrote for Haaretz. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #105

Can you cite anything he actually wrote for Haaretz? Rationalwiki cannot substantiate many of his msanthrope Mar 2015 #131

Who sends ya'll this stuff to post on DU? Or do ya'll make it up yourselves? Zorra Mar 2015 #23

Counterpunch is left-wing, Zorra....and had no problem publishing the honeypot defense. msanthrope Mar 2015 #26

Collage (noun) a combination or collection of various things. Zorra Mar 2015 #57

Well...how many are bail-jumping fugitives living in an Embassy and having press conferences? msanthrope Mar 2015 #71

"The DU right.."? Lame attempt to smear, Z. Assange gets facts reported on him and you call it Cha Mar 2015 #147

Exactly. Apparently if you don't buy the conspiracy theories, you R B Garr Mar 2015 #161

Yes, Precisely.. they're really quick with their personal insults.. that's all they have while Cha Mar 2015 #162

There is, very clearly, a DU right. It's not a smear, it's a stone cold fact. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #235

No, it's not a fact that those who disagree with you about assange are on the right. And, it's an a Cha Mar 2015 #242

Her blather reminds me of all the propaganda that I heard against civil rights activists in the 60s. Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #97

So Shamir, the liar, is to be believed over Wikileaks own spokesman, Kristinn Hrafnsson, who msanthrope Mar 2015 #114

She accuses you of "blather".. while "blathering".. lol they all have their thumbs in their Cha Mar 2015 #155

Oh, LA and I go way back---she always gives me a chuckle..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #165

Just Wow! So ready to "gotcha!" when it was she who got busted. smh Cha Mar 2015 #177

The intrepid MADem......and that thread was one for the ages..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #203

Yes it was.. oh, that's right.. many months ago! mahalo Cha Mar 2015 #208

That was a sad exchange there. No connection was made. freshwest Mar 2015 #190

Reason.com? Seriously? "reason.com - free minds, and free markets" Zorra Mar 2015 #238

+1,000,000 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #173

I miss HiPointDem on threads like this, don't you? I remember the time HiPointDem msanthrope Mar 2015 #205

And then HiPointDem was banned as an homophobe... SidDithers Mar 2015 #217

but... zappaman Mar 2015 #226

HiPointDem....from the "DU Volunteer Pest Control" archives Zorra Mar 2015 #240

Yeah......it's pretty obvious. I try to helpfully point when I can. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #241

-70 *(980*5609.8 - 6) +208 / 490,000 snooper2 Mar 2015 #236

+2 x 1,000,000 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #244

Since when is it right-wing to support women being taken seriously when they make claims of rape pnwmom Mar 2015 #183

This is so obviously a false dichotomy that I will use it when I teach critical thinking. Vattel Mar 2015 #24

Isn't there a fourth possibility? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #27

That's the first possibility: believe the women who have alleged the acts arcane1 Mar 2015 #36

Or even, that the charges may be true (or mostly true), but morningfog Mar 2015 #30

Well, when you say lengths to prosecute, let me ask you something..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #42

It's more than simply not dropping the charges. morningfog Mar 2015 #59

I don't like parsing between rape victims...I think the charges against msanthrope Mar 2015 #63

Is that what you think? The charges are false but not part of a CIA plot? Why do you not believe msanthrope Mar 2015 #35

No, that's not what I think. Vattel Mar 2015 #41

What do you think of a defendant who flees the jurisdiction, and then has an employee put out such a msanthrope Mar 2015 #46

What do you think about the credibility of a poster Vattel Mar 2015 #52

I didn't present a false dichotomy, Vattel.....I presented an uncomfortable moral question msanthrope Mar 2015 #58

No, you presented a false dichotomy Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #195

Thank you for this evening's reading material. And a new perspective. freshwest Mar 2015 #28

Why? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #89

Check out this piece I just found when I google Shamir and Assange.. two peas in pod.. Cha Mar 2015 #189

Thank you for putting this together ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #32

Old stuff tossed together in guilt-by-association fallacy. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #91

Bullshit. 99Forever Mar 2015 #37

Are you calling me a tool? A slang term for a male member? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #39

No, he is not saying that you are a tool in the sense of being a male member. Vattel Mar 2015 #49

Do you speak for that poster, or are you assuming that's he meant? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #66

It is quite obvious what the first poster meant Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #83

Do you speak for that poster? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #85

It was obvious what he meant Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #86

I'm asking you if you speak for that poster. How do you know what is in their mind? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #87

It's not what I thought he meant, so I guess it's not so obvious. zappaman Mar 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #148

Yes he does. 99Forever Mar 2015 #99

of course you are right. nt grasswire Mar 2015 #227

Yes he does. 99Forever Mar 2015 #101

Google image 'tool'. Some fascinating stuff. randome Mar 2015 #50

Has nothing to do with genitals. 99Forever Mar 2015 #98

Okay, then who do think I am be used by? The CIA? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #103

Oh please. 99Forever Mar 2015 #109

They have nothing.. so they resort to attacking with personal insults. Quite pathetic actually Cha Mar 2015 #164

The evil gubmint, of course. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #213

The NSA does have a good dental plan, I'll give them that. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #218

the perpetually outraged ND-Dem Mar 2015 #176

Yeah, why would anyone be outraged by rape? zappaman Mar 2015 #182

right, that's what i said and that's certainly logical my you've outdone yourself ND-Dem Mar 2015 #184

No, I understood you. zappaman Mar 2015 #185

So, still wondering... zappaman Mar 2015 #191

Not sure they do if they adhere to julian and shamir's philosophy.. Cha Mar 2015 #192

"Bullshit" "Wadda tool".. that needs to boomerang right backatcha. Cha Mar 2015 #163

Don't smear Shamir, assauge Assange. randome Mar 2015 #45

Assange's character is not important to me. The crimes he exposed are. Any comment on the crimes? Scuba Mar 2015 #47

What about the crime of rape he is accused of? hack89 Mar 2015 #51

The Scott Ritter defense? randome Mar 2015 #53

Can't we just look forward? OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #62

It should not apply to any crime. Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #72

It SHOULD not apply to any crime, OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #78

That's something for Swedish authorities to pursue, if they have sufficient evidence. However ... Scuba Mar 2015 #202

So, do what I do...look objectively at what he releases, and then, demand msanthrope Mar 2015 #206

Still no comment on the war crimes exposed by Assange. Very telling. Scuba Mar 2015 #207

Which war crime? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #209

Take you pick. Scuba Mar 2015 #215

You could be a little more specific. randome Mar 2015 #221

Yes.....the edited video that took out the guy with the RPG? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #223

Forgot about that. Right. That one. randome Mar 2015 #224

Two separate issues hack89 Mar 2015 #210

Nice try, but that's a fail. I made no reference to any alleged victims being short-shrifted. Scuba Mar 2015 #214

If you say so. hack89 Mar 2015 #222

We have at least four separate issues going on. I will try to disentangle them. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #54

the bigger scandal is that Assange gave Shamir access to the cables geek tragedy Mar 2015 #64

Counterpunch is supposedly a left wing site DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #67

Shamir's homophobia is unsurprising, isn't it? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #107

Well, he is a small f fundamentalist Christian so there's that./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #117

Counterpunch is a vile cesspool of bigotry geek tragedy Mar 2015 #111

That's a good point. zappaman Mar 2015 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Mar 2015 #74

+1 LittleBlue Mar 2015 #75

The accusers and the accused are both deeply corrupt. leveymg Mar 2015 #60

How is the Swedish legal system corrupt? hack89 Mar 2015 #61

Sweden is also corrupt, but has excellent PR going back leveymg Mar 2015 #69

Nope. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #77

I am going to assume by "accusers" you do not mean the women involved? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #65

They are being used, having given their consent to that. leveymg Mar 2015 #70

I find that to be an incredibly offensive characterization of victims of sexual assault. msanthrope Mar 2015 #73

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #80

So what happened to them....the forcible acts described in EAW, is not "real rape?" nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #81

Wow. zappaman Mar 2015 #82

It's simply stunning. It truly is. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #84

it is those with eyes wide open to the greater crimes of state which leveymg Mar 2015 #92

The greatest act of violence in this case didn't happen in bed. leveymg Mar 2015 #90

A "mere sex crime" "real rape?" I find it interesting that you don't actually address the acts msanthrope Mar 2015 #96

Unbelievable. I must say, this thread has certainly been very enlightening. NYC Liberal Mar 2015 #108

Todd Akinism. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #112

just barely Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #132

THis one got a HIDE.. thankfully.. Cha Mar 2015 #154

Great hide zappaman Mar 2015 #156

Long overdue. Cha Mar 2015 #159

glad someone alerted on that one. It was every bit as offensive. Thanks, Cha Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #158

You're welcome, Tuesday.. Cha Mar 2015 #160

GT's post made me google. From AlJazeera: freshwest Mar 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Mar 2015 #110

Are you actually telling us that Shamir is not an anti-Semite? msanthrope Mar 2015 #127

No. Did you read what I wrote? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #129

Yes--you seem to be claiming that Shamir is being "smeared." How does one smear a msanthrope Mar 2015 #133

I self-deleted it. You are obviously going to be dishonest about this. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #136

How does one smear Assange on this point? Israel Shamir--and his son, work for Wikileaks. msanthrope Mar 2015 #144

As I said, dishonest. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #166

How does one smear Assange on this point? Was he unable to work the Google? msanthrope Mar 2015 #169

Was he unaware? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #172

You would think Assange would google a prospective employee, right? I mean, this is the guy msanthrope Mar 2015 #174

Maybe he did and liked what he saw.. I just google him and got this.. Cha Mar 2015 #188

MRA talk from a 'liberal' hero? freshwest Mar 2015 #193

"Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul".. yeah, I'd say assange is something.. backing racist Cha Mar 2015 #194

Forget Your Team: Your Online Violence Toward Girls and Women Is What Can Kiss My Ass.. more Cha Mar 2015 #196

And that's what so many here are trying to avoid...the "smear" of Assange is nothing msanthrope Mar 2015 #199

"Assange and Shamir have been friends for years".. and Shamir is going for the testoserone defense. Cha Mar 2015 #201

Assange is a con man.....cryptome has always been better, more msanthrope Mar 2015 #204

Problem is, neither side is trustworthy. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #119

I haven't found a single reason to impugn the credibility of the victims. If you have, please share msanthrope Mar 2015 #120

This is that same old smear campaign material dredged up for some reason. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #124

I figured MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #138

Extradition where, Manny? To the US? Then why didn't we extradite him from the UK when he was msanthrope Mar 2015 #149

Why didn't the CIA just grab his ass when he was drugged with the two women? Rex Mar 2015 #151

Given that Ed Snowden was allowed to grab virtually everything from the NSA MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #167

Assange was on bail for two years, living in the English countryside. Are you saying the msanthrope Mar 2015 #175

More sophomoric debating tactics from you MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #216

Manny, I adore the new catchword...."cryptogovernment!" I'm gonna use it msanthrope Mar 2015 #220

I hope someone at the CIA got fired for this! zappaman Mar 2015 #231

It's the slowest black bag operation, ever. Heads should roll! Abu Nasir msanthrope Mar 2015 #233

How does one smear a Holocaust-denying anti-Semite? I'm still waiting for you to msanthrope Mar 2015 #150

You post this fully knowing I already said I wasn't talking about smearing Shamir. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #168

"Bad associate decisions" is what we are calling hiring and keeping Israel Shamir and his son? msanthrope Mar 2015 #171

Do you think the women who have accused him of rape deserve their day in court? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #181

The one question guaranteed to get... zappaman Mar 2015 #186

Of course. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #211

What whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #170

According to Assange's supporters, it was not a 'legitimate rape' Lancero Mar 2015 #219

Thank you! zappaman Mar 2015 #225

I'm waiting for someone to tell me it wasn't "rape-rape." nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #228

Well, their silence on the question... zappaman Mar 2015 #229

That may be my next OP......nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #234

The response I've seen from the Assange supporters is pretty much: tammywammy Mar 2015 #237

They should comfort themselves knowing that I've had criminal DV clients msanthrope Mar 2015 #243

Great thread. bravenak Mar 2015 #239

bushco is on the loose RobertEarl Mar 2015 #245

Assange shouldn't have credibility anyway. After he was essentially forced to reveal he lied about stevenleser Mar 2015 #246

Mahalo for the links, steven Cha Mar 2015 #247

Well....who is paying Assange to push that false narrative? msanthrope Mar 2015 #248

Colbert (one of my few genuine heroes of this age) had Assange's number early on. randome Oct 2016 #255

K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #249

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