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There is no way to reconcile the TPP with helping working Americans [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 OP

Not just the country anymore, global free trade is here and we will eat our serving of it Rex Mar 2015 #1

our president's free gift to the democrats who voted for him nt msongs Mar 2015 #2

It will be the "gift" of the US government to all of us, regardless of merrily Mar 2015 #78

TPP is a Nation Destroyer. And that's why Obama and his pals have desperately tried to hide blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #3

Yup. The transference of sovereignty to corporations. hifiguy Mar 2015 #174

The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Mar 2015 #227

Hillary Clinton was an architect for TPP and they want me to vote for her. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #4

Maybe Hillary will say, Enthusiast Mar 2015 #201

:) Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #208

Free Trade has had some positive effects too. bvar22 Mar 2015 #214

And the day THAT happens, you will see flying pigs hifiguy Mar 2015 #229

Do you have any links to this? I googled "Hillary tpp architect" and came up with nothing direct uponit7771 Mar 2015 #271

let me be the first to congratulate you on another 300+ recommended post. Old and In the Way Mar 2015 #5

You like the TPP? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #6

No no no, "Obama hates America and he is trying to destroy us!" is a good dodge! Rex Mar 2015 #9

He said what needed to be said. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #19

I am confused here. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #26

What the #%*& are you talking about? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #28

You are forgetting again. Hmmm...you forgot a post about... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #41

Did he sign it with "TWM" or "Third Way Manny"?... cascadiance Mar 2015 #118

What a load of innuendo and unsupported allegations! bvar22 Mar 2015 #186

+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #203

FDR and JFK were both 1% by your definition. You need to understand it is a frame of mind before WillTwain Mar 2015 #191

What a shameful, dishonest, desperate smear. Marr Mar 2015 #193

The Obama Train Is Leading Us Off A Cliff WillTwain Mar 2015 #35

I'm confused by this post. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #87

Point of order Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #99

Okay in high school she used to identify as a Republican. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #101

Oh please. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #103

At some point in her life Hillary Clinton spent time and energy for a Republican to be elected. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #104

Well good for you, skippy Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #110

If you find being a Republican in High Scool as "funny", bvar22 Mar 2015 #187

+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #205

Where are you, BJ. bvar22 Mar 2015 #212

Wait Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #220

Ooooo. bvar22 Mar 2015 #224

Meh, was appropriate for the occasion. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #230

Good one. +100 nt Andy823 Mar 2015 #234

You DO know that when you are 19 and committ a crime bvar22 Mar 2015 #233

Sure Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #239

Your post has absolutely no relevance to either this thread, bvar22 Mar 2015 #240

You got an alert on this. immoderate Mar 2015 #246

Tedious. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #248

Boo-yah!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Mar 2015 #258

Not a single R has said no to this Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #7

+1000! sheshe2 Mar 2015 #8

If only it had something to do with Obama. I don't expect him to sign it. Rex Mar 2015 #10

I just found this.... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #18

I know SheShe2, he really does get dragged through the mud. Rex Mar 2015 #24

I thank you Rex. Tears and Hugs. Whoosh, I cry a lot sheshe2 Mar 2015 #33

No matter what happens, we will hang in there together. Even if it came down to just you and me. Rex Mar 2015 #39

Dayum.... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #47

Mathews also called Bernie a relic from the 60s so do not give him too much credit. WillTwain Mar 2015 #37

He also swooned about GWB looking "manly" Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #288

Race has less to do with their hatred than liberalism WillTwain Mar 2015 #44

Nope. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #50

Being black just helps them facilitate the rage WillTwain Mar 2015 #52

And the right-wingers really hit on Jimmy Carter back in his day Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #289

Hillary is right, there is a vast right-wing conspiracy. WillTwain Mar 2015 #290

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"Please stay on topic." sheshe2 Mar 2015 #219

Do you tell all posters that? bvar22 Mar 2015 #226

I think I may know one... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #228

Well, you thought Hillary had never been a Republican, bvar22 Mar 2015 #242

excuse me? sheshe2 Mar 2015 #251

Excuse me if I'm busting your bubble, but this is his administration. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #22

He's been playing rope a dope with the GOP for months now. Rex Mar 2015 #25

Given that our President has already forced three Bush "free" trade agreements MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #38

You know what, I kinda felt that from the moment I met you. Rex Mar 2015 #43

I am so sick of the he is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers mentality WillTwain Mar 2015 #45

He has been out-foxed by Mitch and John!!!!????????????? sheshe2 Mar 2015 #56

I do not agree with the results, but they, not Obama, got their wishes. WillTwain Mar 2015 #58

Playing Chess? bvar22 Mar 2015 #221

Hell ya bvar22, now you are talking WillTwain Mar 2015 #223

Denial. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #135

Zombies WillTwain Mar 2015 #138

Finally, WE THE PEOPLE, (thanks to Wikileaks) get to know as many details as POTUS. Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #12

Cake? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #17

Indeed. Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #40

Don't forget that the overwhelming opposition to the TPP forced them to finally 'allow' some members sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #29

I trust the Democrats, like Ron Wyden and Elizabeth Warren who have been warning us about sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #27

You'll notice ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #42

So Elizabeth Warren is out of her league? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #46

Again, Manny ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #53

Could doesn't mean only that she doesn't know. morningfog Mar 2015 #88

So, to be clear, are you claiming that Senator Warren... MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #107

You can't talk to a court reporter like that! DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #177

Why do you always find it necessary ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #179

LMFAO ...I can't believe I used to take you seriously. L0oniX Mar 2015 #284

It does not take a scholar to know that a treaty that subordinates our laws to a tribunal judged by Vincardog Mar 2015 #54

No, it doesn't take a scholar at all ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #57

Ignore the point and post your spin. Do you support the TTP? IF so why do you think Corporations Vincardog Mar 2015 #59

I have not read the finalized version of the TTP. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #63

While you are waiting they are destroying democracy. Your complacency is astounding. Vincardog Mar 2015 #64

Yes, of course they are. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #67

It is also amusing to watch the reliable "outrage-squashers" poo-poo any and morningfog Mar 2015 #94

Obviously some people really aren't qualified to give an opinion Autumn Mar 2015 #120

When it is all a done deal, the poo-poo-ers will say we have to wait toi see how its implemented. morningfog Mar 2015 #121

Or they will just say it serves us right for picking on the President. Autumn Mar 2015 #123

You never really loved him!!! QC Mar 2015 #131

Curses!! You have found me out and discovered what a fickle person I am! Autumn Mar 2015 #167

I bet the president breaks down in tears when he comes here QC Mar 2015 #213

I have already been told we are spreading FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Autumn Mar 2015 #133

Such a "writer" that could take on such an OP, should have a complete mastery of italics Dragonfli Mar 2015 #129

Have you seen this OP? Autumn Mar 2015 #169

No I haven't, but I am heading over there right now to read it. /nt Dragonfli Mar 2015 #171

I've stated that I haven't read it. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #172

But you have. Your opinion is that it is too complex morningfog Mar 2015 #181

That is not what I've said at all. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #184

Keep going. Therefore, their questions, concerns morningfog Mar 2015 #185

Questions and concerns are natural. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #188

"Let's wait until it is passed to see what's in it". SCREW THAT. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #232

This is beyond complacency WillTwain Mar 2015 #145

That or complicit they are incapable of responding to reality. Vincardog Mar 2015 #149

Wilfull ignorance WillTwain Mar 2015 #150

Agreed that explains their condescending tone... Vincardog Mar 2015 #151

The TPP is not a passing outrage G_j Mar 2015 #176

It gets dredged up every so often ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #190

speechless.. G_j Mar 2015 #196

Do you really think the country is moving in the right direction? WillTwain Mar 2015 #200

Sweet. You'll be able to know its content four years after its been in effect LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #115

It's the negotiation process ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #182

Pot calling the kettle black WillTwain Mar 2015 #143

Where did I suggest ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #173

You made no suggestion WillTwain Mar 2015 #180

THANK You! n/t whathehell Mar 2015 #204

Ah shit. I am out of fire extinguishers here, sheshe2 Mar 2015 #68

Please tell us why you are in favor of allowing tobacco companies to sue governments for eridani Mar 2015 #69

Where did I say I was in favor of any such thing? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #71

You spoke about giving TPP a chance, and it strongly enhances the ability of corporations-- eridani Mar 2015 #72

Again - where did I say anything ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #73

You said that no merely literate and rational adult could possibly undertstand the leaked info eridani Mar 2015 #77

After all, it's just the "outrage of the week", per Nance hatrack Mar 2015 #105

Blindly following "our betters" has been a disaster. WillTwain Mar 2015 #144

Again, I said no such thing. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #206

Then you really didn't mean this? "Who knew that DU was so full of experts on international law!?" eridani Mar 2015 #255

Again, I said nothing remotely like that. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #256

Silly straw man. You don't have to know everything about the drafts eridani Mar 2015 #257

I like the pivot from "you haven't seen the TPP" to "you can't possibly understand it!" morningfog Mar 2015 #92

Yes, the word salad is pretty obvious, as is the back-tracking and deflection. djean111 Mar 2015 #97

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No shit. It's pathetic. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #195

Well, let's see ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #236

Explain this to me as if I were a third-grader. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #136

Most treaties are negotiated in secret. It's the final product that gets voted on. randome Mar 2015 #141

Yet... it is not secret from the corporations writing it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #142

Trade deals are always negotiated in private. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #175

Some people are smarter than others, intuitively understanding what a lifetime of denial cannot teach WillTwain Mar 2015 #139

#1, your premise is a Strawman, bvar22 Mar 2015 #244

I never argued the point ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #254

Everybody is running gaga over this supposed Wikileaks draft... Historic NY Mar 2015 #286

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This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #216

This is the best that anyone that supports the TPP can offer in the way of rhett o rick Mar 2015 #146

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Trillo Mar 2015 #156

This is a very insipid post. Maedhros Mar 2015 #158

Robert Reich knows way more about the TPP than POTUS and hates it. WillTwain Mar 2015 #192

Heh. Our buddy hasn't gotten 300 recs since MIRT stepped up Number23 Mar 2015 #222

Manny's OPs getting a sizable number of recs really seem to upset some people. Autumn Mar 2015 #268

Manny, what is your take on the SCOTUS? Can we afford to lose that? jwirr Mar 2015 #11

That is a rock and a hard place, ain't it. We lose our Democracy either way... Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #13

What does that have to do with a treaty that savagely attacks the 99%?nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #14

What it has to do with the TPP is that both issues are equally important and we may end up having jwirr Mar 2015 #20

Voting for the lesser of two evils is one thing MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #21

Isn't that what a discussion board is all about? I have never hidden the fact that I do not think we jwirr Mar 2015 #23

You lost a long time ago. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #93

If I must awaken by electing a R then I will awake to the death of my disabled daughter because jwirr Mar 2015 #113

Whether a Republican or Hillary is elected, Maedhros Mar 2015 #159

So good lay down and give up. I will not. jwirr Mar 2015 #160

Well, no, actually you are. Maedhros Mar 2015 #164

That is certainly your right to do so. As is my right to do otherwise. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #66

Oh I agree but we act as if these issues are not all hooked together. They started with raygun and jwirr Mar 2015 #114

As I have said if voting for a Democrat no matter what is what you feel is best then do so. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #178

No we can't, so we need a GREAT DEMOCRAT to run for the WH so we can go out and enthusiastically sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #32

I don't think that any of our good Democrats support this POS, right? I mean, yanno? NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #15

Self delete MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #48

So we should not sign that corporate give away.... midnight Mar 2015 #16

It's Class Warfare! mckara Mar 2015 #30

Helping its class. RiverLover Mar 2015 #86

A certain "inevitable" candidate has strongly supported TPP RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #31

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #51

The following post by Manny was a TERRIBLE hide, bvar22 Mar 2015 #231

Certain posters are jumping in minutes after an OP RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #253

Here is Andrew Raposa, Professor Emeritus at Massachusetts State University in Westfield Westfield Rex Mar 2015 #34

Thanks Manny for getting this issue out into the open Joe Turner Mar 2015 #36

It depends where you are in the percentage don't it? zeemike Mar 2015 #49

As long as Americans want cheap goods from Asia... joshcryer Mar 2015 #55

Funny .. . markpkessinger Mar 2015 #60

Pick up the nearest anything. joshcryer Mar 2015 #61

The fact that Asian-made merchandise is just about the only thing available to purchase . . . markpkessinger Mar 2015 #62

It is what it is. joshcryer Mar 2015 #65

What I support is refusing to allow corporate motherfuckers to sue democratically elected-- eridani Mar 2015 #70

ISDS heavily tilts lawsuits in our favor. joshcryer Mar 2015 #74

"Our" favor? Whatchu mean "we" kemosabe? eridani Mar 2015 #76

The US. joshcryer Mar 2015 #79

It costs governments money to be able to fight the suits eridani Mar 2015 #80

Under ISDS the loser pays. joshcryer Mar 2015 #82

Corporations challenging any democratically determined law should not be allowed, period n/t eridani Mar 2015 #84

They can do that anyway. joshcryer Mar 2015 #85

If that were true, why the skyrocketing trade deficits with signatory countries in other eridani Mar 2015 #154

That has literally nothing to do with lawsuits. joshcryer Mar 2015 #259

It has to do with corporate power n/t eridani Mar 2015 #262

Sure. Change the judges, empower the SEC. joshcryer Mar 2015 #263

Cheap goods have been coming from Asia for 50+ years Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #81

Intellectual property theft has been going on too. joshcryer Mar 2015 #83

Has a single politician spoken about a basic income/living wage/negative income tax? stillwaiting Mar 2015 #91

Bernie Sanders supports basic income. joshcryer Mar 2015 #95

I love your thinking on the issue, and I agree it is needed. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #96

I believe it will happen. joshcryer Mar 2015 #98

Why aren't people esp. here discussing this looming reality. I saw the 2013 Oxford Martin report appalachiablue Mar 2015 #197

Because irrelevant issues like TPP take the stage. joshcryer Mar 2015 #264

Basic income will be brought up by only Bernie as you say and it's critical to discuss now. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #282

The "from Asia" part isn't what most Americans care about having as a part of that statement... cascadiance Mar 2015 #119

What do you think TPP means? joshcryer Mar 2015 #265

I think what it really is is a "Toilet Paper Party" for the 1%ers here... cascadiance Mar 2015 #275

TPP= Toilet Paper Party AND Trans Pacific Partnership- truth! Shumer supports the increase of appalachiablue Mar 2015 #279

Yep, we need to sell more of these at rallies. TPP=Toilet Paper Party & Trans Pacific Partnership cascadiance Mar 2015 #280

Indeed! Put that up in posts on DU now re 'TPP', the real bipartisan, global 1% corporate appalachiablue Mar 2015 #283

Yeah, whenever I go shopping brentspeak Mar 2015 #183

You don't even have to think about it. joshcryer Mar 2015 #261

And its a CRAPPY reality pushed on to us by the 1% that can and SHOULD be undone! cascadiance Mar 2015 #276

You are kidding, right? whathehell Mar 2015 #207

Do the test. joshcryer Mar 2015 #260

Still not conclusive evidence regarding your point. n/t whathehell Mar 2015 #266

K & R AzDar Mar 2015 #75

K&R So interesting to watch the usual suspects come out and criticize this post. Scuba Mar 2015 #89

Several seem to be missing MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #111

Interesting fact here Manny, if you post in a thread you don't get called for Autumn Mar 2015 #122

They have been disseminated and include (incredibly) that corporate tribunals are there to favor Dragonfli Mar 2015 #132

It boggles the mind doesn't it? Autumn Mar 2015 #134

never thought about that part of the strategy grasswire Mar 2015 #155

^This^ Zorra Mar 2015 #112

It is painful. RiverLover Mar 2015 #124

And exhausting. And that is the objective. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #210

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #209

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #90

Lipstick, Manny. Lipstick. Octafish Mar 2015 #100

+1,000,000,000. And, I guess a Brazilian wax. Which is what we are getting, really. djean111 Mar 2015 #102

Care to explain why? DanTex Mar 2015 #106

K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #108

Obama is out to get us. Where have I heard that before? n/t pampango Mar 2015 #109

Red Herring Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #147

How so? "The TPP is yet another awful assault against the 99% by the wealthy and their paid help in pampango Mar 2015 #148

Those who support the TPP in effect support global fascism! cascadiance Mar 2015 #116

Your subject line itself is a straw man. randome Mar 2015 #125

It's also a treaty regulating governments and what they may do Fumesucker Mar 2015 #273

I find it absolutely amazing that there are those that, when faced with information regarding Dragonfli Mar 2015 #126

So what is there about the 'environmental override' in the TPP? randome Mar 2015 #128

You are wasting your efforts with me, I can read so I will not be convinced to ignore Dragonfli Mar 2015 #130

Well said, Dragonfli. smokey nj Mar 2015 #137

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #211

Thank you. Zorra Mar 2015 #218

I'd be against your first paragraph alone treestar Mar 2015 #152

Reading would help you with that. Dragonfli Mar 2015 #153

You're not quoting any part of it treestar Mar 2015 #189

NAFTA has that authority, and uses it. bvar22 Mar 2015 #238

that's not from NAFTA, it's from Public Citizen treestar Mar 2015 #267

Here's how it's done, you get a bunch of sheep together..... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #249

now you're just rec whoring Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #127

The OP statement is false on its face uponit7771 Mar 2015 #157

It appears rather axiomatic to me, care to explain how you reach such an odd conclusion? /nt Dragonfli Mar 2015 #162

I don't believe the OP speaks for working people at all, not one bit uponit7771 Mar 2015 #163

It will affect working people as he suggests, so, does it matter if he is some sort of Dragonfli Mar 2015 #166

True, it will affect working people ... My point is I don't think the OP speaks for working people uponit7771 Mar 2015 #168

I can only speak for myself, but I assure you it is this sort of corporate trade deal that is an Dragonfli Mar 2015 #170

Weren't the other predictions regarding Obama and deals non eventful too!? I mean like the uponit7771 Mar 2015 #269

Get beyond Obama, this trade deal is separate from him Dragonfli Mar 2015 #272

OK, beyond Obama the issue is still the same... too many calls of Wolf on here for uponit7771 Mar 2015 #277

You have failed to prove that "the OP is 100% False". bvar22 Mar 2015 #215

This post is false also, I've already posted my reasons it's false. uponit7771 Mar 2015 #270

Seems to me that some people sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #161

TPP will turn the keys to the country and the 50 states over to multinationals with no GoneFishin Mar 2015 #165

I agree completely. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #194

The TPP will only further enrich the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #198

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #199

Our system is thoroughly broken & owned by an unfettered oligarchy bent on ruling the world. mother earth Mar 2015 #202

Kicked ibewlu606 Mar 2015 #225

There's untold millions in speaker fees, (payola) awaiting. Scrabbleddie Mar 2015 #235

President Obama realFedUp Mar 2015 #237

Any regulation Flatpicker Mar 2015 #241

It isn't complicated. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and many more Democrats cheapdate Mar 2015 #243

Are you familiar with the recent Korean "Free Trade" Treaty? bvar22 Mar 2015 #245

That's a bold claim. cheapdate Mar 2015 #278

Free trade is a libertarians wet dream. So no I don't think so. Rex Mar 2015 #281

I cannot reconcile how democrats support free trade. WDIM Mar 2015 #247

"Citizen's United" was an anti-democratic paradigm shift. Scrabbleddie Mar 2015 #250

K&R for the hideous truth. woo me with science Mar 2015 #274

No shit. "TPP contains a provision for bailing out derivative losses." woo me with science Mar 2015 #285

ok, All of the real progressives have convinced me...I am voting Republican for the 1st time since72 Old and In the Way Mar 2015 #287