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242. Magisterial essay. Should go viral, imo. The "anybody but Jesse" campaign

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:52 AM

Mar 2015

of 1988 still hurts, for I was a proud volunteer and precinct walker for Mr. Jackson during the primary season. I still think to this day that Jackson would have wiped the floor with George H.W. Bush (basically energizing the same coalition that allowed President Obama to stomp McCain in 2008), but it's purely hypothetical now.

Was not aware before today that Humphrey shared a giggle with Tricky Dick in 1972. I know guilt by association has been passe since the days of Joseph McCarthy, but McGovern was so clearly Tricky Dick's moral superior in every way that one must begin at least to question HH's heretofore liberal bona fides.

The way Democrats and the Democratic Party treated President Carter in 1980 is simply despicable. Reagan as CA Governor had threatened 'blood in the streets' if anti-war protests continued on CA's college campuses. If you voted for Reagan, you were voting for someone who was willing, even eager, to contemplate killing college students.

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Party Loyalty [View all] H2O Man Mar 2015 OP

Than you, thank you, thank you. haikugal Mar 2015 #1

Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #64

but,but, but, SCOTUS!!!! nt antigop Mar 2015 #2

Right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #73

+1 gazillion marym625 Mar 2015 #185

You are missing the point nakocal Mar 2015 #3

I', not "missing" H2O Man Mar 2015 #10

Plus it is another RW falsehood. The Dem vote for Bush in Florida made Nader votes meaningless. Rex Mar 2015 #14

Also conveniently forgotten is the approx. 80,000 probable Dem voters who were wrongfully purged. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #22

Yeah I had a chart, was just looking at all the voting irregularities in Florida. Rex Mar 2015 #26

Condolences...I feel for you, seriously. haikugal Mar 2015 #30

unrelated aside: i recently learned diebold is a very old company, started as a safe company ND-Dem Mar 2015 #92

I forgot that.. haikugal Mar 2015 #120

And ES&S is no better. Diebold accomplished its 'mission' but had such a bad reputation sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #139

seriously, a visionary? why? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #56

He has a 'plan' to return America to it's former glory. Rex Mar 2015 #69

It's former glory was the 1950s & 60s. the only thing he likes about that period was segregation ND-Dem Mar 2015 #91

Hard to believe now that TX once gave us LBJ, Sam Rayburn and KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #243

yes. i don't get why some folks are so fixated on nader while caring so little about voter ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55

and then there was this, G_j Mar 2015 #88

I hadn't seen that. That is shocking. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #90

YEP. Rex Mar 2015 #145

too challenging intellectually, emotionally, psychologically to face the facts. 2banon Mar 2015 #135

And that would help explain why so many Republicans were elected and so few Democrats this last -none Mar 2015 #210

Some folks have odd priorities. merrily Mar 2015 #285

+10 Saw the video & post about the Chair of the FL Dem. Party & her husband. Awful- Mess. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #167

A difference many will fail to perceive.... daleanime Mar 2015 #19

Another falsehood. Bush got 200,000 votes from conservate dems in Florida. Rex Mar 2015 #12

And it's parroted most faithfully by... conservative Dems. winter is coming Mar 2015 #16

This is a tired and disproved assertion, chervilant Mar 2015 #18

Indeed. Well put. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #121

He is not missing the point. It appears you have completely missed the point. GORE WON! sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #39

If you think that's bad Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #57

Must have been a conservative-Bush voting Dem no doubt. I emember Sandra O'Connors comments 2banon Mar 2015 #137

I'm sure MIRT, assuming it was not a long time poster, took care of that obvious right wing troll? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #181

No, s/he's still here Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #222

You're the one that has "missed the point" as well as misunderstanding the facts. 2banon Mar 2015 #118

Would you support instant runoff voting then? Ralph Nader running then wouldn't have mattered... cascadiance Mar 2015 #124

That's something to think about. You make some excellent points that if Dems really sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #218

A few things. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #183

Untrue and irrelevant. merrily Mar 2015 #227

Amen madfloridian Mar 2015 #4

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #81

You speak the truth and you speak for me. leveymg Mar 2015 #5

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #87

I feel RiverLover Mar 2015 #6

Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #89

Thank you! peacebird Mar 2015 #7

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #95

"It’s strange to me, as an activist on the left, to see how we continue to be taken for granted" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8

Write on! H2O Man Mar 2015 #98

"Truman and LBJ worked to discredit Olds as (what else?) a commie, ...." 2banon Mar 2015 #141

Yes, he was alive. H2O Man Mar 2015 #160

Jesus, I'm sorry the haberdasher from Independence allowed himself to be used KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #245

I think Truman probably needs better context JonLP24 Mar 2015 #233

Thing is, even Democratic Presidents are a mixed bag, including Truman. merrily Mar 2015 #287

Excellent OP. One of the issues I have with the center is that they always demand party loyalty Rex Mar 2015 #9

Very well said! H2O Man Mar 2015 #100

Wish I could rec your post. I'm mad at SCOTUS for not allowing the KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #246

Very well said. 99Forever Mar 2015 #11

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #101

Excellent post. cyberswede Mar 2015 #13

Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #103

the DLC made itself into a cash nexus since 1988, likewise its successors MisterP Mar 2015 #15

I agree. H2O Man Mar 2015 #105

heck, the vacuous parties south of the border would at least hand out a little beef MisterP Mar 2015 #127

Right! H2O Man Mar 2015 #128

Southcom in Panama, Ft Benning, Ft Bragg, and some mysterious place in Houston TV's broadcast range MisterP Mar 2015 #156

I'm a bit late to this thread, but I sure as heck wish you and H20 Man woud build KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #248

+10 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #171

I read somewhere that, in 1980, the then head of the DNC wrote Democrats in Congress, merrily Mar 2015 #282

There's no point in winning if we act like republicans when we get in. Policy and politics aren't craigmatic Mar 2015 #17

Yeah, I'm sure Mitt would have... Adrahil Mar 2015 #27

We need to start thinking past just getting the SCOTUS nominees to getting progressive laws passed. craigmatic Mar 2015 #31

Right now, the SCOTUS nomination is the MOST IMPORTANT thing as President can do. Adrahil Mar 2015 #65

Who was the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Scalia and Thomas were confirmed? Fuddnik Mar 2015 #126

Funny--this word-string seems to be composed of English words, but Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #36

Yeah, iPAD-itis. Adrahil Mar 2015 #66

I tend to think of all these little word-completer and spell-check functions Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #82

Yeah, I gotta turn the damn thing off. n/t Adrahil Mar 2015 #85

If you are worried about Scotus, then tell the Party Leadership to provide candidates that represent sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #40

Your post is the essence of what I think is wrong. Adrahil Mar 2015 #68

"I am not interested in noble defeats." LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #71

I think that's utter foolishness. Adrahil Mar 2015 #74

No, those are Third Way talking points. woo me with science Mar 2015 #150

If money is your major concern, then this is true. Otherwise, no. bettyellen Mar 2015 #240

I wish brentspeak would post more. merrily Mar 2015 #280

I was going to reply to you but woo said it 576 times better than I could LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #192

He or she (woo) sure has a way of saying things better than I can as well. merrily Mar 2015 #281

Bingo!!!! Fuddnik Mar 2015 #130

'I'm not interested in noble defeats'. Me neither. So you must be, like most Democrats I know, very sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #93

And I've personally seen our current DNC Chair endorse Repukes over progressives in congressional ra Fuddnik Mar 2015 #134

Amazing, isn't it? How it's okay for elected Dems to endorse Republicans, while BLAMING VOTERS sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #142

Obama did something similar with Chafee, citing a personal relationship. merrily Mar 2015 #288

Absolutely! H2O Man Mar 2015 #106

Yep, a seat at the table. Not much to ask, but as you note, rarely given. suffragette Mar 2015 #20

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #108

It is always a pleasure to read your posts, H20 Man KMOD Mar 2015 #21

I appreciate that! H2O Man Mar 2015 #109

I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. -Will Rogers Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #23

A great quote! H2O Man Mar 2015 #111

k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #24

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #112

Just another huge Thank You! G_j Mar 2015 #25

Right! H2O Man Mar 2015 #113

Holy Fuck! I WAS a Zippie and a Yippie again in '72. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #136

Excellent OP n/t Scootaloo Mar 2015 #28

Thank you H2O Man Mar 2015 #114

It's real voters VERSUS secret, electronic, black box vote "counters." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #29

It always amuses me H2O Man Mar 2015 #115

I stopped reading at --- "Still, Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election." Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #32

True, he won on a technicality. Long after the SCOTUS ruled and Bush was already Rex Mar 2015 #33

Gore DID win. The voters chose Gore! Were you there at the time? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #42

Please don't insult my intelligence. Gore was NEVER the President!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #44

The truth is the truth and it's hard to contradict it. Gore won that election. And he would have sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #48

Who said Gore became President? No One. Gore Won, but wasn't ALLOWED to take his rightful place. 2banon Mar 2015 #147

Straw man. No one said Gore was President. merrily Mar 2015 #289

It would be best H2O Man Mar 2015 #47

Well, personally I would not comment on something I admit I did not read. I would find it hard to sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #179

AKA: A "bloodless coup d'etat". I agree with you, but it's fascinating that the person KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #249

Too bad. You missed out on an excellent piece Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #72

Thank you for this excellent OP. Bookmarking for the inevitable scolders and fingerwaggers. SaveOurDemocracy Mar 2015 #34

Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #116

As a social-political activist ofmany decades, also ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #35

exactly JI7 Mar 2015 #37

I guess I should add ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #38

Are you implying that the rest of us here haven't done the same thing? THAT is the point of this sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #43

The problem I have with the progressive left ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #49

Are you saying that the Democratic Party is NOT 'left'? Since when did the 'left' become a sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #50

I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #60

All the benefit they need to know is they don't have an elk's chance in a supernova without us and TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #94

All I'll say is ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #102

My anger was well earned over a number of years. I didn't start out this way by ANY stretch. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #131

Yeah ... Okay. ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #133

Also the sad canards here that gets played out are well...sad. Rex Mar 2015 #140

They don't even pretend to be Progressives LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #197

I won't "pretend" to be a part of any group (on du) ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #244

I agree, you don't bother to hide your actual LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #254

I wouldn't know what the 3rd Way has ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #256

How sad. You are using, maybe inadvertently, the old Limbaugh, Right Wing noise machine sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #271

What's more sad is when it applies ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #291

Inadvertently using Limbaugh framing? No, intentionally using it LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #301

Yeah. Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #302

Yes, there isn't a Democrat around here who doesn't recognize those old talking points aimed at sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #304

"groups that work to find convincingly workable solutions" LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #300

Yeah. Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #303

Yeah, we don't want to talk about uncomfortable things LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #307

Yeah, Uh huh. That's nice ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #308

You're not alone. Dem Party voter registration is down to only 32% with many now registering sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #223

Well, it's possible I'm misunderstanding you. And I do respect that you are willing to discuss sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #225

LOL! You called him on griping about progressives griping and he got all defensive Rex Mar 2015 #83

Reading is NOT your strong suit, is it ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #107

They demand your vote and for you to shut up afterwards and neverforget Mar 2015 #178

Thanks for confirming what I have noticed lately. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #207

Very well said!!! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #53

Democrats ARE the "Progressive Left" RiverLover Mar 2015 #62

No ... they are NOT! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #80

The Third Way Think Tank has enormous influence on the LEADERSHIP of the Dem Party. They sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #187

You know you keep trying to convince yourself (and others) of that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #201

That poll proves what I stated. The majority of Dems are Liberals. Conservo Dems dropping sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #220

It seems odd he posted a graph that proved he was wrong tkmorris Mar 2015 #224

Wait, what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #252

Can you name a caucus within the Democratic caucus that is A Simple Game Mar 2015 #215

Pay no attention to them, they are a dying breed of Dem. Rex Mar 2015 #84

Yes, pay no attention to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #119

Are you reading your own chart? tkmorris Mar 2015 #226

I am baffled by that chart also. It proves me and the other poster to be correct. The smallest group sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #228

Yes the Chart absolutely supports my claim. See: Post 250. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #251

Yes, I read the chart ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #250

Some will make good the enemy of adequate relative to the GOP choice. uponit7771 Mar 2015 #77

+1, this logic seems like common sense low hanging fruit, the rest seems like rationalization uponit7771 Mar 2015 #76

That's good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #117

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #132

Mahalo 1StrongBlackMan!.. No, "party loyalty" from me whatsoever.. I couldn't care less.. Cha Mar 2015 #229

And it would be the rare, rare Democratic nominee ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #247

Me, neither.. it seems stupid. Maybe somebody on here was talking about the need but I ignore Cha Mar 2015 #257

Thank you for the great post. bearssoapbox Mar 2015 #41

Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #125

Thank you for the reading suggestions. bearssoapbox Mar 2015 #309

This is so true: "the true progressive-liberal wing rarely gets any seat at the table" sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #45

The left is taken for granted...and then blamed if things don't work out right cyberswede Mar 2015 #79

I think the real reason why Republicans do not treat their voters, no matter how far out they are, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #194

Especially when it is THEIR ideas that are the most popular with Voters across the political spectru WillTwain Mar 2015 #146

And they've lied about that too. We are constantly told the lie that 'this is a right of center sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #198

Right On Point WillTwain Mar 2015 #204

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #161

Thanks for another great post, H2O Man Hekate Mar 2015 #46

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #169

It's odd that those calling for Party Loyalty vote for Democratic politicians who disloyally Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #51

the ones who applauded Lieberman after lecturing us that third parties were ruining America? MisterP Mar 2015 #123

Yes, doncha just love the inane "Purists" meme? 2banon Mar 2015 #151

It's childish, boring and utterly unpersuasive, so no. merrily Mar 2015 #290

indeed, indeed. 2banon Mar 2015 #293

Meh. They're just trying for a pony. merrily Mar 2015 #294

It's kind of puzzling why they continue to further insult and alienate us. 2banon Mar 2015 #295

Bullying and harassment are generally intended to engender fear/submission. merrily Mar 2015 #296

Amen.. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #299

Very odd, indeed! H2O Man Mar 2015 #172

And you're not the only one nor are your friends. The largest voting bloc in the country now sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #221

K&R n/t Thank you Michigan-Arizona Mar 2015 #52

Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #174

"“Party loyalty” has to include sharing the rewards." Wella Mar 2015 #54

Not at all the same. Republicans fear their base eridani Mar 2015 #59

You mean the tea party that has utterly dominated the Republican party? jeff47 Mar 2015 #99

I think that H2O Man Mar 2015 #188

A wonderful, timely and wholly accurate post. Thank you H2O Man! Scuba Mar 2015 #58

Thank you, Scuba! H2O Man Mar 2015 #189

Recommended, bookmarking and the next time I see the usual blaming of the Left Autumn Mar 2015 #61

Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #190

GREAT post. K&R. bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #63

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #191

On my feet applauding WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #67

Thanks, Will H2O Man Mar 2015 #193

Magnificent essay, as always. Thank you . myrna minx Mar 2015 #70

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #195

I read this yesterday, and went back and had to read it again this morning. antigop Mar 2015 #75

Thanks. antigop! H2O Man Mar 2015 #196

Party loyalty doesn't make much sense. People should vote for the Democratic candidate in close Chathamization Mar 2015 #78

Right. Exactly right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #205

Loyalty to the oligarchy to win elections. OZ ...uhm ...err ...Money has spoken. L0oniX Mar 2015 #86

Beautiful! H2O Man Mar 2015 #206

Now I just shake my head when I read negative posts here about the Democratic Party`s "left" democrank Mar 2015 #96

THIS ^^^^^^^ haikugal Mar 2015 #148

Yep! H2O Man Mar 2015 #209

I love this. H2O Man Mar 2015 #208

Ms Chisholm haikugal Mar 2015 #216

Thank you so much for this, H20 Man democrank Mar 2015 #97

Again, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #211

A good post and I agree with most of it. Vinca Mar 2015 #104

You are assuming Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, the spin. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #110

And this also assumes that Sanders would run as an independent too... cascadiance Mar 2015 #138

I agree with you. Vinca Mar 2015 #164

I prefer Warren and I probably won't vote for Hillary in the primary, but yes . . . Vinca Mar 2015 #162

That's good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #212

And the ref calls a halt to the contest! KamaAina Mar 2015 #122

Ha! H2O Man Mar 2015 #213

But not a punch thrown tonight KamaAina Mar 2015 #217

I think the most important change needed is the media. Gregorian Mar 2015 #129

I saw this starting back in the 80's when I worked in local television news operations... cascadiance Mar 2015 #144

Greg Palast is doing it on a shoestring. Even with the money, can we build a liberal media? Gregorian Mar 2015 #158

We need to focus on our money on efforts to get money OUT of politics! cascadiance Mar 2015 #159

And I again see the media as playing a role in educating people to even see this. Gregorian Mar 2015 #166

Yes, we need to strategically do public campaign financing right. It isn't well understood yet! cascadiance Mar 2015 #175

All of this comes down to equality. Gregorian Mar 2015 #202

someone once said H2O Man Mar 2015 #214

As great a potential as the internet has, it requires effort. Gregorian Mar 2015 #253

I'm curious why you started with 1964 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #143

Although I'm trying H2O Man Mar 2015 #168

Interesting MFrohike Mar 2015 #219

Interesting as well. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #235

In short MFrohike Mar 2015 #255

In long. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #268

This will be short MFrohike Mar 2015 #269

This will be shorter. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #270

Outstanding! H2O Man Mar 2015 #236

Generally, the Democratic left can be taken for granted because we are compassionate, responsible, Zorra Mar 2015 #149

In agreement Zorra, well put. 2banon Mar 2015 #157

Agreed, and a well said back to you. I have grandkids also. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #165

Well said! H2O Man Mar 2015 #237

Outstanding OP and thank you for the history lesson here for the younger members. 2banon Mar 2015 #152

Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #238

Likewise H20 Man... :) 2banon Mar 2015 #272

Kicked! ibewlu606 Mar 2015 #153

Fine post as always. malthaussen Mar 2015 #154

Curious, that.. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #155

Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2015 #239

Just so you know... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #163

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #258

It's all about control and I don't take orders very well. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #170

Very good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #259

Thank you. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #173

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #260

Mr. Gambini... Flying Squirrel Mar 2015 #176

"Thanks a Lot" sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #180

Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #261

Big K&R MissDeeds Mar 2015 #177

Thank you, MissDeeds! H2O Man Mar 2015 #262

This is a really good post. I read every word mountain grammy Mar 2015 #182

Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #263

Thank you! Beautiful. wonderful. love it! marym625 Mar 2015 #184

Thank you very much! H2O Man Mar 2015 #264

You're welcome marym625 Mar 2015 #298

*standing ovation* HappyMe Mar 2015 #186

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #265

Dayum! Jamastiene Mar 2015 #199

Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #266

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Excellent piece, H2O Man. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #200

Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #267

K & R, will rest all of it later, thanks for this dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #203

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #273

My first loyalty is to anyone I brought into this world and my next is to merrily Mar 2015 #230

Well said. H2O Man Mar 2015 #274

You're most welcome and thank you as well. merrily Mar 2015 #292

Excellent post malaise Mar 2015 #231

Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #275

"the left" shows more party loyalty than anyone JonLP24 Mar 2015 #232

Yep. H2O Man Mar 2015 #276

I hate to say this but the Democratic Party is falling into mmonk Mar 2015 #234

Right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #278

Yes, that's it most definitely. mmonk Mar 2015 #286

the differences are there to get everyone to vote for the similarities MisterP Mar 2015 #297

Great essay. K & R----- CanSocDem Mar 2015 #241

Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #279

Magisterial essay. Should go viral, imo. The "anybody but Jesse" campaign KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #242

Thank you! And I agree H2O Man Mar 2015 #283

Heh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #277

Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2015 #284

K&R nt raouldukelives Mar 2015 #305

You're a DU bright spot, H20Man. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #306