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A million people killed. Damn. How do you live with it? [View all] Bonobo Apr 2015 OP

Just hold your nose and forget the dead, the tortured, the maimed. It was "smart" politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #1

God forbid the smart thing to do would have been to avoid all that carnage and spending. merrily Apr 2015 #15

Yep. Martin Eden Apr 2015 #103

"One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." - J. Stalin Spider Jerusalem Apr 2015 #2

One death is a tragedy. A million creates jobs. merrily Apr 2015 #17

Bang on! nt GliderGuider Apr 2015 #129

Thanks. I try. merrily Apr 2015 #130

But Bush and Cheney presented convincing evidence! Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #3

That even Susan Sarandon didn't buy, nor any Dem I know personally. merrily Apr 2015 #16

Even my Japanese boss didn't buy that heaping pile of happy horse manure Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #20

We know the Japanese PM did because Japan is totally independent of us and politicians never fudge. merrily Apr 2015 #25

Yeah, that was pretty funny, all right Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #65

As was her plain speak meter. merrily Apr 2015 #68

A bunch of Dems in congress bought it. Nt hughee99 Apr 2015 #82

Thing is, I am as sure as I humanly can be that they did not. merrily Apr 2015 #94

I agree, and in my opinion, that makes it hughee99 Apr 2015 #96

exactly. "unless I let loose the horrific dogs of war, my image might suffer." merrily Apr 2015 #97

Some may have bought it, which means they weren't fit for that office, others though imo, supported sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #110

Who is less fit for office, the person who hughee99 Apr 2015 #117

Thank you for this thread LittleBlue Apr 2015 #4

Does Our Species Yallow Apr 2015 #5

The thing is that other "civilized" nations are not doing it with impunity. Bonobo Apr 2015 #7

didn't england and poland join the war in iraq ? JI7 Apr 2015 #8

Yes, true. But they wouldn't have done it without us pulling them in. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #10

That is an excuse? Sounds like the "I was only following orders" excuse still_one Apr 2015 #55

Thank you..No, the Euros don't get a pass. n/t whathehell Apr 2015 #76

No it is not an excuse at all. Tony Blair is as much of a war criminal as our own criminals. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #111

That is fine, though bush/cheney WOULD have invaded Iraq regardless. They said so. However, my still_one Apr 2015 #119

The history of Europe is one of brutal Imperial Colonialism. And now we are taking over where they sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #120

We are on the same page still_one Apr 2015 #131

Got that right. bvf Apr 2015 #11

This may be the hardest thing to reconcile... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #14

I don't know who "we" is, but I have whathehell Apr 2015 #77

In a lot of ways, bvf Apr 2015 #12

We have. We've gone from fisticuffs and throwing stones to nuclear weapons and killer drones. merrily Apr 2015 #18

How Many Children Would You Kill Yallow Apr 2015 #6

Remind me: how many barrels of oil did we get from invading Iraq? merrily Apr 2015 #23

The argument made here is that it wasn't so much about 'getting' the oil, as it had to do with Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #27

Thanks. A lot of it did get destroyed. Word was the Arabs did it. merrily Apr 2015 #33

In regards to what you're talking about and the context of the upcoming primary season Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #34

If you mean Hillary, it was addressed--just some months ago, coincidentally. merrily Apr 2015 #36

Damn, I missed that. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #38

Yep. Finally, yet enough ahead of the primary roll out that it might not leap to mind now. merrily Apr 2015 #39

And 'mistake' can mean many things. Please note that she has never apologized KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #121

Once you vote for a needless war that explodes a region and gives rise to new terrorist groups, etc. merrily Apr 2015 #123

HRC knew better at the time but she chose to place her ambition over humanity. That's KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #124

They all knew better. merrily Apr 2015 #128

We almost never hear about it, do we. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #9

... BeanMusical Apr 2015 #19

Which war did Barbara Bush start, again? merrily Apr 2015 #24

I never implied that she started any war. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #29

Like all those in Congress who did that when theyvoted to start the Iraq War without a clue how to merrily Apr 2015 #35

Delayed reaction: merrily Apr 2015 #69

Right, precisely. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #26

So many Americans don't give it a second thought. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #32

I asked a few right wing coworkers and their answer..... yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #78

When I ask, bvar22 Apr 2015 #132

If you want to stop this sort of thing, you'll need to stop being staggered, struggle4progress Apr 2015 #13

I have one good way to begin to stop it. Bonobo Apr 2015 #22

Maybe you should read up on the 1912 Basel Congress: the members of the Second International struggle4progress Apr 2015 #37

I can see you have worked hard to rationalize you position and I respect that. Bonobo Apr 2015 #41

In his essay, Bonhoeffer quite rightly points out that one has an obligation struggle4progress Apr 2015 #50

Yes, we do have that obligation. What are you doing to meet it, assuming you are as horrified as sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #109

I love your comments. Thank you. betsuni Apr 2015 #47

Wars against other nations don't start from the bottom up. merrily Apr 2015 #62

Yes, clearly, government does not respond quickly to public opinion, if at all, merrily Apr 2015 #28

There is no one such thing as "government" here, so it is unlikely to figure prominently struggle4progress Apr 2015 #44

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Bonobo Apr 2015 #45

There was nothing wrong with protesting the war, but it proved ineffective struggle4progress Apr 2015 #52

Ineffective in that it didn't stop the war, bvar22 Apr 2015 #98

As the war dragged on and our defeat started looming ever larger, my protest tactics KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #125

As to war, the two such things as goverment here are Congress and the President. merrily Apr 2015 #46

Congress consists of 535 distinct persons, whose views are not entirely homogeneous struggle4progress Apr 2015 #48

I know, but no idea how that relates to your suggestions for how to get merrily Apr 2015 #60

If there is no way to fight back, then how on earth are people supposed to keep that obligation to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #112

+++ I'm with you. bvar22 Apr 2015 #133

No I didn't really notice that, though I did notice that were an awful lot of Republicans in sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #142

They count their money!! RandiFan1290 Apr 2015 #21

Evil Sith Lord Dick Cheney will go to hell. B Calm Apr 2015 #30

Oh god how I long for the days when I could tell myself it was just "him" and "them". Bonobo Apr 2015 #31

I hear that! What in hell was I thinkin'? merrily Apr 2015 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author bvf Apr 2015 #49

Yes, if we rid the world of evil people, we'll have peace jberryhill Apr 2015 #58

If we round them up into one place, it will be easier to know who they are. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #63

How about we just prosecute our own lying war criminals and keep our noses out of other people's sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #106

I wrote this poem for Bush/Cheney when they left office: Martin Eden Apr 2015 #104

Sad, but... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #40

You know this is a PRIMARY and no one is talking about reasons to vote Republican, right? merrily Apr 2015 #43

Whose straw man are you trying to beat up, there? FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #99

Strawman. But it's also no reason not to vote at all. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #113

You paint and hunt sometimes shooting your hunting partner liberal N proud Apr 2015 #51

Forgive me for saying this, but Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #53

I know you don't mean this, but that seems like an attempt to hijack this thread or get it locked merrily Apr 2015 #54

I definitely don't think this thread should be locked. Not at all....but I'll say this... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #56

IP or pms seems like the place for you to get that clarification. merrily Apr 2015 #57

You are right, it is unusual. I don't think most folks, when they read a thread go still_one Apr 2015 #61

I don't support Israel's apartheid policies. Bonobo Apr 2015 #64

During the invasion of Gaza last year, you created an OP justifying it Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #93

That has nothing to do with apartheid issues. Bonobo Apr 2015 #100

If you're opposed to apartheid, then..... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #107

I would be happy to discuss this with you Bonobo Apr 2015 #108

wut? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #59

we have forgotten about the millions killed in North Viet Nam... Javaman Apr 2015 #66

We are also responsible for the rise of Pol Pot in Cambodia, bvar22 Apr 2015 #135

Our leaders have to do terrifying arithmetic to avoid being portrayed as weak. Orsino Apr 2015 #67

No thanks. Democratic peons like me didn't berate anyone for being "doves," only for being merrily Apr 2015 #70

It is us, too, if to a lesser extent. Orsino Apr 2015 #73

"Our candidates feel they have to posture like hawks even when wooing Democrats." merrily Apr 2015 #74

The Third Way controls too much of the party, and has for a long time. There's your answer. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #114

Maybe, but that was a top down thing. It wasn't that hawkish Democratic voters pressured merrily Apr 2015 #116

Sorry, but some are far more concerned with how to make the rich get even richer. Rex Apr 2015 #71

You label it "collateral damage" and act like it didn't happen. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #72

With the knowledge I did what little I could to stop it. raouldukelives Apr 2015 #75

cheney wears it like a badge of honor spanone Apr 2015 #79

white men ruling from oh, the beginning of time. mass murders, slavery, .... seabeyond Apr 2015 #80

is that NM_Birder Apr 2015 #83

you can figure out history, yourself. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #84

clever. and a little racist. NM_Birder Apr 2015 #86

??? you are accusing me of being racist? then explain HOW i am being racist. seabeyond Apr 2015 #88

He is the pot in this pot/kettle thing. bravenak Apr 2015 #127

Pol Pot was white ? huh, that what you figured ? NM_Birder Apr 2015 #87

in a nation that was not white, he was a man.... right? this is not rocket science shit. seabeyond Apr 2015 #89

Agreed that the narrative you are pursuing is not any kind of science. Bonx Apr 2015 #90

no. that would simply be history, lol. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #91

White men in power. Or simply men in power, more broadly. n/t nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #115

Thank you. This OP is very curious, *especially* considering the source YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #136

excellent. yes. and thank you, back at you for dotting the i's and crossing the t's. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #137

History Lesson: bvar22 Apr 2015 #143

Money trumps peace. Octafish Apr 2015 #81

Lady Macbeth: JEB Apr 2015 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #92

who are "they"? seabeyond Apr 2015 #95

Post says right there, babs bush and her clan. Octafish Apr 2015 #118

No. i do not think he was referring to babs and the repugs. seabeyond Apr 2015 #141

I can't live with it, but I know why others can Scootaloo Apr 2015 #101

K&R. NO more corporatists and warmongers. woo me with science Apr 2015 #102

Please understand. There is a THIRD WAY of looking at what is important Zorra Apr 2015 #105

Iraq is a drop in the bucket. 50 years ago, we killed 2-3 KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #122

IF I think on it much Mira Apr 2015 #126

Shit, HRC's best friend hifiguy Apr 2015 #134

Approximately 160,000 people die every day dumbcat Apr 2015 #138

How, you ask? YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #139

"A million people killed. Damn. How do you live with it?" EX500rider Apr 2015 #140