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In reply to the discussion: A million people killed. Damn. How do you live with it? [View all]KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)122. Iraq is a drop in the bucket. 50 years ago, we killed 2-3
million southeast Asians in a little place called Vietnam (Cambodia, Laos). One architect of that slaughter (Kissinger) has been photographed embracing an enabler of the Iraq slaughter (HRC). So what's past is prologue.
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Just hold your nose and forget the dead, the tortured, the maimed. It was "smart" politics.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2015
#1
God forbid the smart thing to do would have been to avoid all that carnage and spending.
merrily
Apr 2015
#15
We know the Japanese PM did because Japan is totally independent of us and politicians never fudge.
merrily
Apr 2015
#25
Some may have bought it, which means they weren't fit for that office, others though imo, supported
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#110
No it is not an excuse at all. Tony Blair is as much of a war criminal as our own criminals.
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#111
That is fine, though bush/cheney WOULD have invaded Iraq regardless. They said so. However, my
still_one
Apr 2015
#119
The history of Europe is one of brutal Imperial Colonialism. And now we are taking over where they
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#120
We have. We've gone from fisticuffs and throwing stones to nuclear weapons and killer drones.
merrily
Apr 2015
#18
The argument made here is that it wasn't so much about 'getting' the oil, as it had to do with
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#27
In regards to what you're talking about and the context of the upcoming primary season
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#34
Yep. Finally, yet enough ahead of the primary roll out that it might not leap to mind now.
merrily
Apr 2015
#39
And 'mistake' can mean many things. Please note that she has never apologized
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#121
Once you vote for a needless war that explodes a region and gives rise to new terrorist groups, etc.
merrily
Apr 2015
#123
HRC knew better at the time but she chose to place her ambition over humanity. That's
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#124
Like all those in Congress who did that when theyvoted to start the Iraq War without a clue how to
merrily
Apr 2015
#35
If you want to stop this sort of thing, you'll need to stop being staggered,
struggle4progress
Apr 2015
#13
Maybe you should read up on the 1912 Basel Congress: the members of the Second International
struggle4progress
Apr 2015
#37
In his essay, Bonhoeffer quite rightly points out that one has an obligation
struggle4progress
Apr 2015
#50
Yes, we do have that obligation. What are you doing to meet it, assuming you are as horrified as
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#109
Yes, clearly, government does not respond quickly to public opinion, if at all,
merrily
Apr 2015
#28
There is no one such thing as "government" here, so it is unlikely to figure prominently
struggle4progress
Apr 2015
#44
There was nothing wrong with protesting the war, but it proved ineffective
struggle4progress
Apr 2015
#52
As the war dragged on and our defeat started looming ever larger, my protest tactics
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#125
As to war, the two such things as goverment here are Congress and the President.
merrily
Apr 2015
#46
Congress consists of 535 distinct persons, whose views are not entirely homogeneous
struggle4progress
Apr 2015
#48
If there is no way to fight back, then how on earth are people supposed to keep that obligation to
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#112
No I didn't really notice that, though I did notice that were an awful lot of Republicans in
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#142
Oh god how I long for the days when I could tell myself it was just "him" and "them".
Bonobo
Apr 2015
#31
If we round them up into one place, it will be easier to know who they are. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#63
How about we just prosecute our own lying war criminals and keep our noses out of other people's
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#106
You know this is a PRIMARY and no one is talking about reasons to vote Republican, right?
merrily
Apr 2015
#43
I know you don't mean this, but that seems like an attempt to hijack this thread or get it locked
merrily
Apr 2015
#54
I definitely don't think this thread should be locked. Not at all....but I'll say this...
Cali_Democrat
Apr 2015
#56
You are right, it is unusual. I don't think most folks, when they read a thread go
still_one
Apr 2015
#61
No thanks. Democratic peons like me didn't berate anyone for being "doves," only for being
merrily
Apr 2015
#70
"Our candidates feel they have to posture like hawks even when wooing Democrats."
merrily
Apr 2015
#74
The Third Way controls too much of the party, and has for a long time. There's your answer. n/t
nomorenomore08
Apr 2015
#114
Maybe, but that was a top down thing. It wasn't that hawkish Democratic voters pressured
merrily
Apr 2015
#116
in a nation that was not white, he was a man.... right? this is not rocket science shit.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#89
excellent. yes. and thank you, back at you for dotting the i's and crossing the t's. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#137