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In reply to the discussion: In what parallel universe does a Jewish, self-described Socialist who [View all]Orrex
(65,828 posts)159. I'm copying/pasting this from another thread where it was also relevant:
The accusation is repeatedly made that people who doubt Sanders' chances are "afraid" of him. That's a petty and short-sighted criticism. There are solid reasons to question his odds of winning.
And the answer once again is "he truly seems to stand very little chance of success."
Don't get me wrong--I would LOVE to see Sanders take the Whitehouse, and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. I just don't think that it's realistic to expect him to win, and my assessment isn't based on defensiveness or fear.
His commendable history as a "democratic socialist" will be used as a pile-driver to bludgeon his campaign every minute of every hour between winning the primary and the general election. He will be decried as a communist with "foreign" ideas, and he will be attacked for not being a real American. His brother's former candidacy for the Green Party in the UK will be offered as proof of this, as will Bernie's own praise of Scandinavian-style socialism.
His age will be a factor. The same pundits who adore "maverick" John McCain will claim that Sanders is too old, and they'll claim it constantly. They'll imply that his health is questionable, and they'll suggest that he's not fit to serve as President.
His heritage will be a factor, especially as it pertains to his less than cozy relationship with Bibi and Likud. In addition to supposed problems involving "our greatest ally," he'll have to face the idiocy of anti-Semitism. Not a major factor in Vermont, perhaps, but the nation as a whole has a large population of haters.
His politics will be a major factor. For most Americans, self-identifying as a "democratic socialist" is tantamount to growing a Stalin mustache and instituting a pogrom. Bernie's unparalleled record of social responsibility notwithstanding, he would be identified as "the Socialist Candidate" in every media outlet until Nov 2016, probably by saying "74 year old Socialist Bernie Sanders spoke in Poughkeepsie, and..."
They will also claim that his career spent representing the tiny state of Vermont hasn't prepared him for the Whitehouse, and he'll be slammed for being out of touch with the values of mainstream America.
And that's all before we even get into the reality of Hillary's massive warchest and support structure already built.
I admire everything about Sanders, and I've never disagreed with a single political statement I've heard from him, but I simply don't think it's realistic to expect him to win.
Don't get me wrong--I would LOVE to see Sanders take the Whitehouse, and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. I just don't think that it's realistic to expect him to win, and my assessment isn't based on defensiveness or fear.
His commendable history as a "democratic socialist" will be used as a pile-driver to bludgeon his campaign every minute of every hour between winning the primary and the general election. He will be decried as a communist with "foreign" ideas, and he will be attacked for not being a real American. His brother's former candidacy for the Green Party in the UK will be offered as proof of this, as will Bernie's own praise of Scandinavian-style socialism.
His age will be a factor. The same pundits who adore "maverick" John McCain will claim that Sanders is too old, and they'll claim it constantly. They'll imply that his health is questionable, and they'll suggest that he's not fit to serve as President.
His heritage will be a factor, especially as it pertains to his less than cozy relationship with Bibi and Likud. In addition to supposed problems involving "our greatest ally," he'll have to face the idiocy of anti-Semitism. Not a major factor in Vermont, perhaps, but the nation as a whole has a large population of haters.
His politics will be a major factor. For most Americans, self-identifying as a "democratic socialist" is tantamount to growing a Stalin mustache and instituting a pogrom. Bernie's unparalleled record of social responsibility notwithstanding, he would be identified as "the Socialist Candidate" in every media outlet until Nov 2016, probably by saying "74 year old Socialist Bernie Sanders spoke in Poughkeepsie, and..."
They will also claim that his career spent representing the tiny state of Vermont hasn't prepared him for the Whitehouse, and he'll be slammed for being out of touch with the values of mainstream America.
And that's all before we even get into the reality of Hillary's massive warchest and support structure already built.
I admire everything about Sanders, and I've never disagreed with a single political statement I've heard from him, but I simply don't think it's realistic to expect him to win.
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In what parallel universe does a Jewish, self-described Socialist who [View all]
PCIntern
Apr 2015
OP
...and even then ... toss-up between a paid vacation at home and a desk job for a while.
libdem4life
Apr 2015
#20
Well what i would do is gloat and insult those who aren't excited about Hillary Clinton
el_bryanto
Apr 2015
#47
Lots of people vote for Republicans - i live in a state that just relected Rick Scott
el_bryanto
Apr 2015
#71
And that proves what? Apparently Republicans think he is on the side of the people...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#78
You didn't specifically call me a troll, but yes, you've questioned my allegiance to the party.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#121
No, I'm voting for Ted Cruz in 8 different states. Write that down in your little narc book.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#126
+1 His running will help the country & Hillary if she's smart. Populism is rising, for good reason.
appalachiablue
Apr 2015
#139
I'm Jewish; I couldn't give a fuck what the ethnicity/religion is of the individual I'm voting for.
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2015
#79
The part where PCIntern's family sat shiva for lost Dems is probably a big clue...
Hekate
Apr 2015
#15
Or describes him as "Socialist" instead of a "Democratic Socialist", while failing
winter is coming
Apr 2015
#67
Well said. My fears too. The 1972 Presidential election was my first one able to vote. I was a
livetohike
Apr 2015
#8
I know. I *am* a Socialist, and I think people are vastly overestimating his appeal.
Starry Messenger
Apr 2015
#12
A question: You like his positions. Are you against him entering the primary? At least those ideas
jwirr
Apr 2015
#50
Truman was pushing Civil Rights legislation way before it was politically safe to do so
JonLP24
Apr 2015
#156
In the universe where Bernie's candidacy is not all and only about Secretary Clinton.
Zorra
Apr 2015
#19
+1. Country is very, very far right. Worst in 100+ years. My parents & grands were
appalachiablue
Apr 2015
#135
this is such a failed alert. what is it about? not that i necessarily agree with you, but still.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#137
Same universe where a biracial liberal junior senator whose father was from Kenya does
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#33
Shorter: A vote for the poorly groomed socialist Jew is a vote for Hitler. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2015
#42
If he's unelectable, then why are you worried about the trivial few of us who will vote for him?
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2015
#63
The lesser of 2 evils have produced nothing but Status Quo Candidates in both parties
Joe Turner
Apr 2015
#52
Got it. We shouldn't back Bernie because he is a Commie Jew with bad hygiene. Thanks.
Cheese Sandwich
Apr 2015
#80
I'll be willing to take a chance on a parallel universe with Bernie ratther than
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2015
#85
Funny how you act so pro-Jewish until a Jewish man needs your support to run for president
LittleBlue
Apr 2015
#87
I don't make the connection of Sanders in the primary to General Election defeat
Renew Deal
Apr 2015
#89
I only know one thing... I'm casting five votes for Bernie in the CA primary.
cherokeeprogressive
Apr 2015
#94
Talk about a total non-issue.. We've never had a jewish president, also never had a female president
GummyBearz
Apr 2015
#105
Trying, really trying to give a fuck about your post . . . trying, so close . . .
hatrack
Apr 2015
#109
If you're in a universe in which George W Bush was president for 8 years,
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Apr 2015
#111
Get onboard with Hillary because of Sanders' hair and your prior hippie experience?
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#116
Perhaps someone should define, "socialst" for the crowd in a way all will understand.
Stuart G
Apr 2015
#117
and another person goes on my ignore list. Thanks for playing the blame game. I'm done
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2015
#140
You are ignoring that IF Sanders got the nomination, many things would have had to happen
karynnj
Apr 2015
#162
In what parallel universe does a primary challenge throw an election to Republicans?
Orsino
Apr 2015
#167