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RiverNoord

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94. I'll be more specific.

Wed May 13, 2015, 03:54 PM

May 2015

I do not support the President's position concerning the 'fast-tracking' of a major international trade agreement that the general public is barred from examining. It would definitely be a treaty under the terms of the Constitution, which means it would be the supreme law of the land, subordinate only to the terms of the Constitution itself.

I voted for him twice, but if he is attempting to push an agenda that I believe is fundamentally at odds with the democratic process, I will criticize what he is doing and contribute to efforts to prevent it, regardless of which political party he belongs to.

Does the phrase 'support the President' mean anything outside of the context of the official actions he takes in the conduct of his office? Makes me think of the 'support the troops' bumper stickers - doesn't mean anything of substance.

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The President's Unseemly Attacks On Progressives DEFY LOGIC [View all] Segami May 2015 OP

I have one hand clapping...Zen...and two hands clapping...not Zen. Nail, meet Head. n/t libdem4life May 2015 #1

I thought this was Democratic Underground SCantiGOP May 2015 #20

Huh? Say what? libdem4life May 2015 #28

Tiger Beat Logic Skittles May 2015 #162

Got it. libdem4life May 2015 #169

Nothing liberal about trashing Obama. randys1 May 2015 #30

Well stated! red dog 1 May 2015 #84

:) fredamae May 2015 #176

I rather think he's trashing us CanonRay May 2015 #33

Right on Nite Owl May 2015 #79

Agree. LeftOfWest May 2015 #99

Precisely. Enthusiast May 2015 #102

ftw whatchamacallit May 2015 #107

+ 1 historylovr May 2015 #182

Perhaps you missed the point, here. staggerleem May 2015 #37

staggerleem: SCantiGOP May 2015 #42

o good grief. rurallib May 2015 #58

+ 1 red dog 1 May 2015 #81

Thank you florida08 May 2015 #91

Well said.............. we are not Republicans PumpkinAle May 2015 #93

I'll be more specific. RiverNoord May 2015 #94

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast May 2015 #103

MORE TIGER BEAT LOGIC Skittles May 2015 #164

Yes exactly Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #167

Servile much? whatchamacallit May 2015 #108

So your entire political outlook could be written in 6 lines of BASIC. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #171

... LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #186

WOW. bvar22 May 2015 #188

Ha LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #193

You are not alone. bvar22 May 2015 #187

A clarification.... PosterChild May 2015 #150

That just isn't true. bvar22 May 2015 #189

I think you are confusing two issues... PosterChild May 2015 #195

I hope the Democratic Left uses this OPPORTUNITY for all it is worth: BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #174

Not liberal DU? Perhaps you should read the About page linked at the bottom of every DU page. A Simple Game May 2015 #88

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #104

I didn't abandon Obama Aerows May 2015 #113

When DU was back in DU 1.0 I joined...the admin said it was for Liberals AND other Progressives. HereSince1628 May 2015 #132

Let's get this over with cali May 2015 #2

And then some... Segami May 2015 #6

I've noticed that, too. Blue_In_AK May 2015 #9

You forgot the most mind-numbingly stupid talking point: Maedhros May 2015 #11

You left out Nationalists and xenophobes if you oppose TPP. Also, the 44 Senate Dems and neverforget May 2015 #73

You know what Rahm said about us is how they really feel LondonReign2 May 2015 #74

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #105

Isolationists and Protectionists... bvar22 May 2015 #190

he takes the gloves off on us but is a timid pussycat in front of the repugs. samsingh May 2015 #3

No... Caijoe May 2015 #40

It is easy to understand. Can you grasp sellout? Vincardog May 2015 #83

Let TPP fail, then, Mr. President. Orsino May 2015 #4

If it truly is a progressive solution to regressive past FTAs as he implies Dragonfli May 2015 #14

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #106

+1 leftstreet May 2015 #148

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #5

I believe he's a surrogate mouthpiece for enemies of progressivism grasswire May 2015 #7

I agree mitch96 May 2015 #10

Jim Kessler n/t FlatBaroque May 2015 #29

This is an interesting article about Kessler Dragonfli May 2015 #60

Thanks for the link FlatBaroque May 2015 #76

that's exactly what I mean grasswire May 2015 #49

Let's be blunt here Robbins May 2015 #8

I never expected Obama to act like a progressive - he's a Chicago Machine Democrat, after all. Maedhros May 2015 #12

...^ that 840high May 2015 #17

You forget that Obama came into office swilton May 2015 #77

Very well stated! raindaddy May 2015 #181

FYI: Obama was not part of The Machine. ieoeja May 2015 #125

Ah - thank you for that bit of clarification. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #130

Then HOW do you explain Rahm? bvar22 May 2015 #192

Clinton ieoeja May 2015 #194

I think, overall, he's been a B- DryHump May 2015 #196

Obama routinely breaks Washington's Cardinal rule. tritsofme May 2015 #13

So calling the Senator from Massachusetts a liar and just in it for campaign contributions is truth? BrotherIvan May 2015 #18

He's not being honest here lark May 2015 #21

Ah, that would be a negative Demeter May 2015 #26

The TPP is not truth! Otherwise NAFTA would have had us d_legendary1 May 2015 #44

Which true statement(s) would that be? arcane1 May 2015 #111

Why are people still scratching their heads? BrotherIvan May 2015 #15

Well bless his heart. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #16

Three words explain this travesty lark May 2015 #19

+several brazillion Demeter May 2015 #24

LOL lark May 2015 #39

made you smile! Demeter May 2015 #62

It was indeed a great line. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #69

Sad but, I think, true. nt SusanCalvin May 2015 #145

I think his kacekwl May 2015 #22

'You don't need me, Mr. President, you need counseling.' LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2015 #136

He did quit by the end treestar May 2015 #141

It's his pattern; why anyone is surprised at this late date baffles me Demeter May 2015 #23

Good point. SusanCalvin May 2015 #146

It's bizarre and a total disappointment. SoapBox May 2015 #25

The WH has been trashing Dems since liberals ran ads against Blue Dogs years ago. polichick May 2015 #27

The White House has been trashing Liberals a lot longer than that, bvar22 May 2015 #199

" I've got to say that there's not much there there." Fuddnik May 2015 #31

Sometimes a Prez has to come out an be truthful. Our economy is going nowhere except down, without Hoyt May 2015 #32

You know, you have done more to convince me that I need to leave the Democratic Party than anyone djean111 May 2015 #109

Sorry to hear that, go in peace and may you find what you are looking for. Hoyt May 2015 #110

+1 bahrbearian May 2015 #138

He got me tennstar May 2015 #170

Exactly! Fuddnik May 2015 #175

You just say stuff huh? whatchamacallit May 2015 #115

Yet there is no evidence what these "new approaches" are and if they will help anyone. arcane1 May 2015 #117

Sometimes it's hard to convince "rank-and-file" Democrats or Republicans of anything. Hoyt May 2015 #119

Of course it's hard, there are no actual facts to convince them with. arcane1 May 2015 #121

Works both ways, even when you "say so" without facts. Hoyt May 2015 #122

Thank you for proving my point, again. arcane1 May 2015 #123

Like you've said anything of substance. Hoyt May 2015 #124

I am very pleased that the real FlatBaroque May 2015 #34

Unfortunate reputations of Democratic "leaders:" Just enough juice to attack their own... Eleanors38 May 2015 #35

I have a question. Eko May 2015 #36

good question. My guess is that with the internet we would have heard the second they did rurallib May 2015 #46

good question Duppers May 2015 #53

If the deal is so wonderful, why aren't we allowed to see what's in it? AgingAmerican May 2015 #38

I seem to recall you were/are a member of a Union(?) ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #45

They have been negotiating this for five years AgingAmerican May 2015 #48

You didn't answer my question. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #51

If it is made public before it goes to congress for a vote AgingAmerican May 2015 #57

There has never been any question as to ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #61

The fast track vote abandons congressional oversight AgingAmerican May 2015 #68

No, Fast Track provided for ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #71

Only the Senate Resolution of the draft is available. It's in a link in this article: freshwest May 2015 #165

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #168

Found 4 more, online now. Problem - big words, long sentences, complex multi-level concepts. Meh! freshwest May 2015 #178

Obama has Always Been a Corporatist mckara May 2015 #41

So, disagreeing and stating why one disagrees is now ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #43

Sadly Bobbie Jo May 2015 #52

When the Left is critical of Obama, bingo bango, they are "bashing". Now that Obama is being rhett o rick May 2015 #75

That's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #78

Ok, but when the progressives are "disagreeing" with him, his supporters scream "bashing". rhett o rick May 2015 #112

It has been explained any number of times ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #126

I've seen rhetoric. But NO ONE has come forward to explain how this TPP can possibly help the rhett o rick May 2015 #128

So you can write off the link or two as mere rhetoric, no thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #129

If you have something that isn't rhetoric, I would like to see it. But it doesn't exist. rhett o rick May 2015 #144

Again, refusing to accept responses doesn't equal no responses proffered ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #151

Well here is one... sheshe2 May 2015 #153

I have asked repeatedly for specific reasons to support the TPP rhett o rick May 2015 #172

The Training for the new TPP jobs will be EASY! bvar22 May 2015 #197

Agreed but it will be contracted out to McDonalds for $10,000 per person trained. Tax rhett o rick May 2015 #198

I think you are giving DU too much credit. JoePhilly May 2015 #90

Went through 4 pps of Googly-Woogly: NO mention by MSM of note-taking ban Eleanors38 May 2015 #47

Warren reported that, and if memory serves, so did Sherrod. libdem4life May 2015 #139

Oh, I believe it. Just noting the lack of MSM coverage. Eleanors38 May 2015 #185

He did this about four years ago - compared liberals to teabaggers Doctor_J May 2015 #50

Can't have it both ways: bvar22 May 2015 #95

Hole-in one. Grand slam. hifiguy May 2015 #97

Word. SusanCalvin May 2015 #147

Thing is, the ones disagreeing are not really extremists. Enthusiast May 2015 #114

K & R Duppers May 2015 #54

Yes, it is an illogical position and fight he has decided to fight rurallib May 2015 #55

Sorry, this is a two way thing Cosmocat May 2015 #56

It's a goddamn shame this is the issue he decides to plant his flag on. AtomicKitten May 2015 #59

Actually, Obama's actions only defy logic if you make certain assumptions Jackpine Radical May 2015 #63

I think the White House owes the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party an apology! raindaddy May 2015 #80

Re "pure speculation" - show us the meat. TBF May 2015 #64

I can believe Obama is wrong about the value of the agreement... Nitram May 2015 #65

K&R. JDPriestly May 2015 #66

It does defy logic. Every time I heard him call progressives and espcially Elizabeth Warren out I jwirr May 2015 #67

Another way of saying what Obama wants to say.... Geronimoe May 2015 #70

it seems to be theatre, but for whose benefit? foo_bar May 2015 #72

So first he gets mad at RepubliCONs RoccoR5955 May 2015 #82

I don't his attacks are any more unseemly than the progressive attacks against him. nt kelliekat44 May 2015 #85

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 May 2015 #86

I don't think ANY of Obama's comments could be characterized as "unseemly". George II May 2015 #87

it's simple. Incredibly simple. hifiguy May 2015 #89

LOL Demeter May 2015 #92

+ 1000 red dog 1 May 2015 #116

This one is absurd treestar May 2015 #142

It's not the first time this President has belittled those who supposedly are on his side, who sabrina 1 May 2015 #96

roll over dpatbrown May 2015 #98

I like Obama but d_legendary1 May 2015 #100

They don't need to give him anything. hifiguy May 2015 #120

So the Clintons are in for a pay day if Hillary gets nominated d_legendary1 May 2015 #133

The Clintons already got their first bite of the apple - hifiguy May 2015 #135

Oi! d_legendary1 May 2015 #180

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2015 #101

Agreeably disagreeing is not attacking. nt ucrdem May 2015 #118

dunno, I think its going well. all the members of congress & Sen, can read the working DRAFT. Sunlei May 2015 #127

Honestly, it doesn't defy logic, at all. It's the way our government works. countryjake May 2015 #131

I am very sad fadedrose May 2015 #134

Logic? JonLP24 May 2015 #137

He does not have to agree with them or obey them treestar May 2015 #140

Well, he is retiring soon awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #143

As the saying goes "It's going to take a Democrat to undo the New Deal" Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #149

Only if your "logic" assumes... sendero May 2015 #152

Politicians should resign when they break away from what they said to get elected. glinda May 2015 #154

He's not going to need our votes again dflprincess May 2015 #155

He is going to be surprised when he goes to join Bill Clinton at the Bush Table, bvar22 May 2015 #191

No, they don't defy logic. F4lconF16 May 2015 #156

Obama is, and always was an establishment man... JayNev May 2015 #157

I've stood with him on most things, but this pissed me off. C Moon May 2015 #158

Wah wah wah.. poor little "progressives" can't handle straight talk from the President.. oh wait Cha May 2015 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 May 2015 #160

The lioness has spoken! Don't hold back, let me hear you roar! Love ya, Cha! freshwest May 2015 #161

Too true, freshwest.. Too true! Mahalo for that visual.. my son would get a huge kick out of it! Cha May 2015 #163

Not if you are paying attention. He has done this many times betterdemsonly May 2015 #166

"Inside Job" colsohlibgal May 2015 #173

Exactly!! So well said, so true, we need to wake the hell up! /nt RiverLover May 2015 #183

Lame ducks can do what they REALLY want. Kablooie May 2015 #177

While I support the President and worked my butt off to get him elected... peace13 May 2015 #179

I have to say I didn't expect the comfortable shoes to be made by children. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #184