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49. The post I responded had -no- conditioning about varying seriousness of mental disorder

Thu May 14, 2015, 05:50 PM

May 2015

just a flat statement. I cant' say how it may get edited...

Yes, there are -some- people who should be hospitalized or participate in routine clinical day-care. -Some-.

As repeated studies have shown, even among people with -serious- diagnosed mental disorder their dangerousness as revealed by an event involving a threat, altercation or assault in a given year is very marginally greater than that of the general population...that comparison is pretty close 5% for the general population and 7% for the 'seriously' mentally disordered...schizophrenia, anti-social personality, borderline personality and bipolar disorders. Which is to say 93% of the -seriously mentally disordered- aren't involved in any such events in a calendar year.

The states also show that big leverage on dangerousness is substance abuse which triples the likelihood of a violent act in both the general population and among the mentally ill.

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I would also include medical care to that list. 99Forever May 2015 #1

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YEs! Yes! Yes! bvar22 May 2015 #22

Hell yes.... daleanime May 2015 #151

+1 nt steve2470 May 2015 #23

Most have these basic items already yeoman6987 May 2015 #102

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I am horrified that anyone here doesn't consider food and shelter to be basic human rights. nt tblue37 May 2015 #116

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It's the truth. Ken Burch May 2015 #117

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agreed and corporations too get rid of the tax loop holes that allow corporations to pay 0 taxes Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #35

The same way they are provided in most civilized countries. And even ones we don't consider sabrina 1 May 2015 #15

Makes me sad every time I think of that. nt. polly7 May 2015 #31

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Nice to see you too Sabrina! polly7 May 2015 #153

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True. truebluegreen May 2015 #81

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I'd add: taking them FROM Americans who CREATED THAT WEALTH IN THE FIRST PLACE! arcane1 May 2015 #78

Abe Lincoln didn't buy it either hifiguy May 2015 #106

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Basic housing and food often reminds particular individuals of Russia... LanternWaste May 2015 #17

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+1 truebluegreen May 2015 #82

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i dont believe i said anything about rationing Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #32

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cause im assuming the government would be the ones running it and with a congress like this Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #41

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and congresses like this one will be something that will be a reality to any program like this Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #61

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agreed trouble is congress Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #63

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As someone one asked, "Am I my brothers keeper? Yes. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #6

I absolutely do! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #8

I would also include medical including mental health care and dental as basics. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #10

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+1 leftstreet May 2015 #26

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Yes. LeftOfWest May 2015 #14

If anyone answers no, then I'd ask why do we feed/house convicts? closeupready May 2015 #16

Yes with a but.... theboss May 2015 #20

That's so loaded with preconceptions/prejudicial bias about people with mental illness. HereSince1628 May 2015 #24

I have first hand experience of street people hifiguy May 2015 #27

The post I responded had -no- conditioning about varying seriousness of mental disorder HereSince1628 May 2015 #49

People who take their meds regularly and can be monitored by hifiguy May 2015 #57

The answer is properly-funded mental health facilities with professional staff providing care Maedhros May 2015 #29

"(I don't think I'm expressing this well)" Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #54

Yes of course. lpbk2713 May 2015 #21

Food, housing and basic medical care hifiguy May 2015 #25

I don't consider housing a human right. Buzz Clik May 2015 #28

What? RobertEarl May 2015 #45

Do you understand the concept of charity? Buzz Clik May 2015 #50

Eh? RobertEarl May 2015 #55

Whatever. Buzz Clik May 2015 #64

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Nothing goes with Dickens quite like a glass of ... Buzz Clik May 2015 #111

I keep saying this with every one of these upaloopa May 2015 #30

I'm more than happy to pay additional taxes LanternWaste May 2015 #34

The surprisingly simple way Utah solved chronic homelessness and saved millions Bluenorthwest May 2015 #39

We do the same thing in our county. upaloopa May 2015 #53

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I know all about the Millionaires tax. upaloopa May 2015 #58

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Big fan of everybody doing something! One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #33

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There was a good article in "Mother Jones" a couple of months ago that explained how Vinca May 2015 #37

I think it was this article DawgHouse May 2015 #67

Absolutely, along with medical care. polly7 May 2015 #38

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"ability to work" is different than "desire to work". Let's at least make the conversation frankieallen May 2015 #51

Why not make it more interesting? leftstreet May 2015 #93

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Shoo. truebluegreen May 2015 #103

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No, but that has nothing to do with the question frankieallen May 2015 #145

It is the essence of the motivation for asking such a question. Starry Messenger May 2015 #149

ok, I am curious how, can you explain? frankieallen May 2015 #154

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Just like Jesus always said. He hated poor hungry people, right? arcane1 May 2015 #85

speedy, aren't you? uppityperson May 2015 #88

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Let the poor starve and die of exposure! gollygee May 2015 #89

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I'm going to split hairs here. dawg May 2015 #97

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But dont forget the free medical care and wi-fi. Elmergantry May 2015 #131

Free wifi? daredtowork May 2015 #133

~eyeroll~ Marrah_G May 2015 #130

From an existing in the universe point of view, no The2ndWheel May 2015 #100

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And wi-fi Generic Brad May 2015 #110

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I'm sorry your relatives are such morons, but most people would look upon it as an Cleita May 2015 #114

But what the OP is proposing is much better than welfare today FLPanhandle May 2015 #118

Count me in! Elmergantry May 2015 #121

Except I think your odds are not correct. Cleita May 2015 #122

I'm fine with short term safety nets to help people get thier lives together and get back to work FLPanhandle May 2015 #123

Some people need lifetime. Cleita May 2015 #128

Not sure if you are being obtuse on purpose or not. FLPanhandle May 2015 #135

You are right. No point in going further with you because your mind is Cleita May 2015 #136

Working would be for chumps Elmergantry May 2015 #119

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It's not worth the effort of trying to determine who is faking. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #125

Well... That certainly is... Lazy... Oktober May 2015 #126

It's too hard to determine who is actually deserving of help. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #124

I love the question Omnith May 2015 #127

I refuse to argue semantics over this. Love is all there is. Hiraeth May 2015 #134

Yes, but I don't think it has anything to do with "deserve" lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #137

My own opinion is yes, and here's why. Lyric May 2015 #141

a litle too far left / progressive even for me John_Doe80004 May 2015 #143

In Kansas City even dogs are required to be provided with leftyladyfrommo May 2015 #146

If Takers cant support themselves, why should I? Telcontar May 2015 #148

Yes, although.... Adrahil May 2015 #152