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In reply to the discussion: NYC_SKP has been banned [View all]morningfog
(18,115 posts)304. That was a dumb and offensive thing to write. I wonder, though, if his banning was
solely due to this post. Was he really banned because of the "zero-tolerance" for this word, even when "coded?" Or, was it because of this post on top of his quite vehement disdain for Hillary?
Would he had been banned had he made the same offensive comment about Sarah Palin, for example?
I tend to think it was the insult plus the posting anti-Hillary posting history.
To be clear, I have no problem for a zero tolerance policy on that word as an insult, if that is what it is. I would never use it, not in a code or a joke or any manner.
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Which clearly shows that the term wasn't applied to ANY person, including Hillary.
Lizzie Poppet
Jun 2015
#1076
Which clearly show it was Directed right at Hillary Clinton. You're not helping SKP by denying it
Cha
Jun 2015
#1077
Yes it does..and, there's another set of spinners whining because he got banned bc it was directed
Cha
Jun 2015
#1079
Sorry, your defense won't work with the Admins. Doubt very much if SKP uses it. He wouldn't want to
Cha
Jun 2015
#1081
DU is really weird these days, too much nastiness and rudeness. It isn't good or necessary.
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#2
We still have a common enemy, the Oligarchy. That includes Goldman-Sachs and the Wall Street
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#880
And the name of their game is Divide and Conquer and that is what the oligarchs are doing here
Dont call me Shirley
Jun 2015
#1024
I just called him out a few weeks ago on the increasing weirdness of his posts that were, of course,
Number23
Jun 2015
#799
Then why doesn't he have more hidden posts? The guy had no hidden posts for the past 90 days.
Hiraeth
Jun 2015
#1029
I agree with you that the jury system sucks however, I have seen people post jury results on alerted
Hiraeth
Jun 2015
#1034
No one dropped the C-Bomb however, clear was the implication and given the context, after reviewing
Hiraeth
Jun 2015
#1043
Idiots, cretins, miscreants. yahoos, reprobates, goobers, but not the C word.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#52
Assholes is good. Not hard at all to stay away from sexist or racist slurs if you respect others....
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#74
Lesson is even when your posts survive a jury, the admins can still see the alerts
wyldwolf
Jun 2015
#847
Part of it is that there's practically no one who's saying "he couldn't have meant
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#776
he had also tried to blame the Charlie Hebdo victims by insisting that those
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#787
I'm not God but I would have given him a thirty day timeout, long enough to miss the place.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#302
What makes you think the ban has been lifted? I would be happy if it has been.
madfloridian
Jun 2015
#527
He never used that word, never called her that, it's all made up nasty shit to ban a critic. /nt
Dragonfli
Jun 2015
#804
I am against the ongoing movement here to label individual words as "inappropriate"....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jun 2015
#927
Bull fucking shit. And nobody ever called Mrs. Clinton a name when they passed this Photo shop around in 2008
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2015
#980
Here's how I see it... context is everything and I could be a thousand miles off base here.
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2015
#855
I agree so much. I've been a fan since I first joined DU. I think it's unfortunate
RKP5637
Jun 2015
#242
NYC_SKP used to be a mod on DU2. He will be missed. I hope the admins give him another chance.
L0oniX
Jun 2015
#11
He joked that it was a tongue twister. He was definitely referencing that word. n/t
Adrahil
Jun 2015
#61
Well it is unlikely that I will stop replying to people who I highly respect.
zeemike
Jun 2015
#1058
What did he actually say? I know people have been trying to have him banned but I can't believe
Dragonfli
Jun 2015
#785
I like you am just a lurker, as a matter in fact I haven't posted for years.
billymayshere
Jun 2015
#934
I do not think there was justification for this. So now cunning stunt is a code word for cunt? Not
jwirr
Jun 2015
#78
Absolutely. He is banned because he supports someone else and was doing a good job of it. EarlG
jwirr
Jun 2015
#103
C*nt is not "legit" and he should be embarrassing true supporters of any and all Dem candidates with
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#127
"You all", lol. Women are the Dem base- try respecting them instead of trying to dismiss and
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#155
Yes, we women have been part of the Dem base for most of our lives. Mary and I are part of the Dem
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#983
Oh my fucking god, I can't keep up with all the "insert letter here"-words.
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2015
#206
I hope not. If it is alerted on, the jury should surely vote to leave 7 to 0. Context matters. nt
merrily
Jun 2015
#657
Which is weird, because people come right out and say horrendous stuff. It might
ScreamingMeemie
Jun 2015
#217
So, in your view it would be ok to use and not deserve a banning because others didn't get banned.
boston bean
Jun 2015
#525
If someone called my mom or girlfriend the c word he, me or we are going to the hospital.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#118
You don't think if I drop the wrong epithet on the wrong person I am going to get a whuppin ?
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#488
Yes, it is. Switch the first letters, the consonants and see what it says.
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#132
It's a sad state of affairs when we start using urban dictionary as a reference.
Exilednight
Jun 2015
#1020
Only if we're writing a scholarly article and don't attribute the source properly. n/t
Gormy Cuss
Jun 2015
#1023
I would never make that connection. Says more about the alerter than the poster.
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#251
Exactly. I find the word vulgar. I can cuss with the best of them, but I wince when I hear the word.
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#910
and even if I did make the connection, it is still only an implication, much in the same way
Hiraeth
Jun 2015
#1035
I read some posts about it and got nauseous--and I've been through a lot of surgery.
merrily
Jun 2015
#750
and we all know what the poster implied with the pictures in the "Not Good Enough" OP .
Hiraeth
Jun 2015
#1036
It was a blatant and obvious bullshit excuse, he called no one the c word, no one at all.
Dragonfli
Jun 2015
#811
Witch hunters are very clever at finding "witch marks" where a pimple exists
Dragonfli
Jun 2015
#818
I agree with all you have said and feel we have lost a strong voice. DUers
snappyturtle
Jun 2015
#397
I hope so, he has been through the mill with his health issues and brain surgery.
Autumn
Jun 2015
#68
I can't remember for sure who called Hillary the c word in 2007 but they didn't get banned.
Autumn
Jun 2015
#86
Why would you say that to someone who posted she does not use that kind of term?
merrily
Jun 2015
#957
Just go to 'site search' and look and see how many have used the actual word and survived.
Rex
Jun 2015
#426
I thought I had that thread bookmarked but some of those old threads no longer exist.
Autumn
Jun 2015
#463
If this will make some think before posting nasty shit about the other guy/gals pony
Rex
Jun 2015
#478
If this means Skinner has less tolerance for misogyny (as Earl G has for years) then I'll take it...
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#573
I am with you on that. If Skinner finally sees how fucked up it is- he is now way ahead of many here
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#617
Agree. Because when women were complaining about misogyny and stalking nothing was done.
cui bono
Jun 2015
#544
You can refer back to the original thread - am not linking to it as requested because
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#228
Would you PM the link to me please? No host in the Bernie group is laughing at that post
Autumn
Jun 2015
#230
Witness their discussions on how they cannot trust anyone in GD because they are not really
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#514
There are two threads there discussing Sander's need to broaden his outreach....
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#586
I think you nailed it with the "war room" mentality and how it does no one any good....
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#639
It is interesting that EarlG and not Skinner banned him as they typically ban for very different
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#362
You can always hang in the Bernie Group here. Then, there is the Bernie campaign's page
merrily
Jun 2015
#735
Sorry, which one was just banned and which one were you piling on about...buddy...
truebrit71
Jun 2015
#626
It's part of being perceived as privileged. Calling me a dick is both appropriate and acceptable.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#93
I went back and changed c--t to the c word in all my posts on this topic....
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#299
Dick and prick are in fact used constantly and intentionally in a "mean and hateful" way.
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2015
#935
If you can quote any part of anything I EVER SAID that would suggest banning all Sanders supports...
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#70
That post is a bit muddled. Your feeling is that Skippy was the only Sanders bad boy at DU?
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#101
I wouldn't even call the dumbest GOP female candidate that Ugly word.
misterhighwasted
Jun 2015
#491
Or just a stupid play on words that he wouldn't normally have done but in a moment
polly7
Jun 2015
#553
Selective reading for an agenda much? Bye, bye. Sorry it didn't work out for you. nt.
polly7
Jun 2015
#662
Embarrassing is defending someone who got banned for using the c-word
misterhighwasted
Jun 2015
#665
I remember when DU3 came online... he went absolutely ballistic towards a teacher or two.
demmiblue
Jun 2015
#219
If I didn't want to relive the trauma of his hateful words, i'd dig up old posts for proof
Heddi
Jun 2015
#857
Yes, Mahalo Starry Messenger.. there are "Bernie Supporters" who aren't excusing this and really
Cha
Jun 2015
#1011
Its not even about WHO he supported. This is about his nasty insulting personal attacks
misterhighwasted
Jun 2015
#508
i'm a strong Hillary supporter, but i don't like banning people who don't think like me
samsingh
Jun 2015
#332
true enough - but still banning someone for a word in a world of free speech is excessive
samsingh
Jun 2015
#631
He did NOT use that word. The two words he used meant nothing to clueless folks like me.
madfloridian
Jun 2015
#637
Just because you didn't recognize it doesn't mean he and everyone else didn't
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#732
He wasn't banned for "not thinking like you".. he was banned for trying to be "clever" with his
Cha
Jun 2015
#1015
The only way this could become temporary is if he sends an email to Skinner asking to be reinstated.
In_The_Wind
Jun 2015
#104
Yes, he did. Arguing format over content and cowering behind implication is simply puerile.
LanternWaste
Jun 2015
#339
Like when Barbara Bush called Geraldine Ferraro the $4million thing that rhymes with rich./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#442
Your the best Justin and thanks for the context elsewhere in the thread.
Jesus Malverde
Jun 2015
#451
Hard to imagine it takes 69K posts before someone decides he doesn't belong.
Jesus Malverde
Jun 2015
#464
We lost a very bright member. Keenly intelligent. Lost perspective due to intensity, I imagine.
Gregorian
Jun 2015
#57
Don't underestimate the effect of serious health issues and longterm medication use.
blm
Jun 2015
#333
And then when the Charlie Hebdo offices got shot up, he blamed the victims up one
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#779
not sure of his intent, but yes, throwing the trolls' words back at them.
NRaleighLiberal
Jun 2015
#134
Making excuses because you had to "untwist " the words - as he suggested- to read c*nt?
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#116
I also had enough of the disruptive behavior (and it was not because of supporting a candidate).
Sancho
Jun 2015
#738
that's the point, he thought he was being clever by pushing the boundaries.
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#80
I hope you remove this post now that you know you were mistaken and no host cheered him on.
Autumn
Jun 2015
#689
There was an over the top post a few months back on President Obama by a long termer, where the
still_one
Jun 2015
#288
Let TRP use the same word to describe a hated conservative female and it's cheered.
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2015
#114
Calling a woman, even a hated one, the c word here wouldn't survive. /NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#139
You're right about that but post a link to TRP saying it and it's all good. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2015
#147
The British historically also had no problem using racial epithets for African Americans and Asians,
still_one
Jun 2015
#313
Yes, thank you, I will correct it. You make a good point about my terminology also
still_one
Jun 2015
#630
Not commenting on the poster one way or the other, but I've seen more offensive posts
hughee99
Jun 2015
#89
You've seen posts that are more offensive that calling Hillary a **** survive a jury?
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#109
I'm glad to be keeping you from being productive or perhaps annoying someone else
hughee99
Jun 2015
#166
He did NOT use that word. To the naive like me I can see no connection to what he said.
madfloridian
Jun 2015
#549
+ 1000 I truly like NYC SKP, he had a lot of thoughtful & wonderful OPs over the years.
peacebird
Jun 2015
#445
He called Charlie Hebdo racists and suggested they were responsible for the shooting.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2015
#106
Indeed he did, in most starling terms. The poster was a conservative on many issues and on that
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#543
he self-deleted the OP but copied it to the last post in the thread for posterity
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#178
I have a rather low opinion of her but I would never use that word to describe her or any woman
CBGLuthier
Jun 2015
#110
I don't know that it's the main value, but it's sure ok here, if you are on the side of
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#1038
From this experience I've learned quite a lot more about the member & group which
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#784
The word doesn't bother me in the least. But I didn't see the post. I thought the post
valerief
Jun 2015
#173
makenthe same argument for n****r and k**e- please proceed to educate us, Val!
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#192
Well, I don't know about the word knee, but as for the other word, black rappers
valerief
Jun 2015
#203
Lol, so you're okay with n*****r and will be when Bernie gets k*k* thrown at him....
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#221
white males using the N-word and the C-word aren't taking the power out of the words
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#264
Every poster I have ever seen here defending racism or sexism ignores history and denies context....
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#460
NYC SKP was banned for his recent posting history. The use of that offensive word was just a pretext
morningfog
Jun 2015
#559
Why don't you take that up with Skinner in ATA? Here's a Bernie Supporter who thinks that's rubbish
Cha
Jun 2015
#1013
Good heavens, I'd forgotten all about that. I used it as a joke response to a
valerief
Jun 2015
#195
Thanks for letting us know. Your "pretty please" couldn't stop the grave-dancing.
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#130
To be fair... DU has set up a Sanders group where Sanders fans are totally protected.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#156
Not true. Had I seen the term and recognized it for what it is--I would have alerted a DU jury.
merrily
Jun 2015
#721
Locking. TOS does not specify whether calling out DUers applies to current or former members.
randome
Jun 2015
#152
If a female candidate for the nomination can't be called a C-word on DU, what???
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#260
I have nothing to lose, so I'm going to say it. The banning was biased.
ScreamingMeemie
Jun 2015
#194
I wonder what can be done about trolls who follow posters around and make smart ass
randys1
Jun 2015
#262
The man was a genius, and he was not politically correct. His standards were quite high
randys1
Jun 2015
#421
There are consequences to the words we use, for me, you, and the late George Carlin...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#351
He's not silenced, and he may continue to use that word indiscriminately should he so choose.
LanternWaste
Jun 2015
#394
The word does not belong here. Anyone copying and pasting can blank out letters, just as they would
merrily
Jun 2015
#792
Agreed, I hope he will be allowed back. He was a long time member and it's sad to see this
Autumn
Jun 2015
#696
I "don't have a dog in this hunt" and don't think I've run across this guy before, but....
George II
Jun 2015
#245
It was crystal clear what he was doing, and yes he was calling her that name
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#273
had him pegged as a shitbag after he posted the gun porn thread in GD after the Newtown shooting
KG
Jun 2015
#253
I will miss NYC_SKP. We did not always agree, but I think that banning him for making a joke
JDPriestly
Jun 2015
#258
No, false equivalency on your part. "Dick" is in no way in the same category
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#276
It's not fully equivalent for anyone who actually speaks American English
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#294
Sanders has attracted a lot of people who just plain hate Hillary Clinton.
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#287
I agree with you one hundred percent that it reflects on Sanders in no way.
NCTraveler
Jun 2015
#346
It's a way of separating the true Bernie supporters vs the hatewagon crowd nt
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#358
His posts were becoming so vitriolic and rabid that I'm not surprised by this outcome.
Metric System
Jun 2015
#780
That was a dumb and offensive thing to write. I wonder, though, if his banning was
morningfog
Jun 2015
#304
SKP's demeanor changed. It wasn't just that we supported different candidates, it was personal.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#311
That may be a plausible explanation. However, if that's the case, perhaps this isn't the place for
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#323
It would not surprise me if many of us "Block Members" on this list to be banned
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#325
Are you suggesting that people on that list are likely to call Clinton the c-word?
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#331
I never knew until now, given his posts, that he was part of the HRC group
nadinbrzezinski
Jun 2015
#335
OMG! It took him all of 3 minutes to make a reply so lets haul out the {{{crickets}}}
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#417
Nothing worthy of responding to. I merily speculated the future here at DU. eom
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#404
Okay, I think I caught up to what happened… stupid decision to provoke privileges, IYAM
MrMickeysMom
Jun 2015
#953
he became a target of at least two, largely non-overlapping, gangs of harassers
carolinayellowdog
Jun 2015
#355
I am very upset about it. So angry I may have to take a break or risk banning.
madfloridian
Jun 2015
#367
I agree. I could live with a hide, even suspension. But a ban is over the top...
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#773
I wouldn't give either one of the two that title... so I'm not sure which is which.
ScreamingMeemie
Jun 2015
#372
message sent...... Don't call Hillary a c*nt... seems simple enough, wouldn't you say?
boston bean
Jun 2015
#446
I alerterd when I saw it used on Plain or Bachman because it's not okay against any woman.
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#484
Sanders & Clinton threads quickly come and go. But a thread about a banned DUer garners 400 replies.
randome
Jun 2015
#396
Think that is bad, try wasting time by posting actual news articles and see how lonely that is. eom
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#424
Banning a long time Du'er who has contributed a lot here doesn't seem liberal to me
The Straight Story
Jun 2015
#415
Witch hunting is a lesser issue that people alerting on posters who hurt their feelings
Gormy Cuss
Jun 2015
#652
Another nice try - you know I didn't say that. If you think I did - back it up :)
The Straight Story
Jun 2015
#629
guess he is allowed to start fresh with a new name. really was a very disrespectful remark.
Sunlei
Jun 2015
#516
"You know, this would be a good time for Kucinich and other progressives to rally around Obama".
Zorra
Jun 2015
#473
I often disagree with NYC_SKP; I agree with the ban hammer here; but I'd also support a 2nd chance
Algernon Moncrieff
Jun 2015
#479
perhaps post on admin page and suggest a week or two ban for that type of comment
Sunlei
Jun 2015
#536
I have gone and read the link. I think NYC SKP got a bum deal. If I wre to refer to a cunning stunt
peacebird
Jun 2015
#502
Until this thread I had never heard that cunning stunt was code for anything. I still say its
peacebird
Jun 2015
#550
I didn't know about "See you next Tuesday" until I relayed a bizarre story to a coworker
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#565
Nevermind... The googles told me.......Ok, now I have to ask. What does 'see you next Tuesday' mean?
peacebird
Jun 2015
#576
The See you = CU! Wasn't obvious to me, and puzzling because I said I'd never be back!
bettyellen
Jun 2015
#607
It's sad, but justified. SKP morphed into rabidness as soon as HRC entered the race.
Hekate
Jun 2015
#513
So who the hell is going to continually admonish me for having a loud motorcycle now?
Glassunion
Jun 2015
#541
SKP got banned for half-cleverly calling Hillary Clinton the c-word in exactly the same
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#612
And when you're ripping of Drudge, you've hit some kind of low in trolling nt
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#620
Be civil when you post, don't post insults or nasty language. It isn't that difficult.
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#645
ambivalence and complexity are human, whereas lockstep ideological solidarity seems...
carolinayellowdog
Jun 2015
#632
This is exactly like Drudge calling Cindy Sheehan's arrest a "cunning stunt"
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#598
Lotta crocodile tears being shed for ol' NYC_SKP by supporters of She Who Must Be Obeyed
tularetom
Jun 2015
#624
Wait, you admit that word provoked you to violence but think it's perfectly
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#642
I think he lost the plot due to his intense hatred of Clinton, to the point
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#768
no, as a man I can tell you that virtually no man views "prick" and "dick"
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#726
I don't know. I look at what is in question here, and I am not laughing. nt
boston bean
Jun 2015
#762
Did you not read the Terms of Service when you signed up? "By registering a Democratic Underground
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#756
Yeah, that was pretty amazing, but I guess it's a lot easier to blame the people
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#774
There's no place for that word used that way here. As much as I enjoy 90% of NYC, he had to know....
marble falls
Jun 2015
#775
It is sad to think that some people think that the "C" word is acceptable as honest critique
Agnosticsherbet
Jun 2015
#786
I fail to see how calling any particular woman ANY name ... is derogatory to all women ... baffled
brett_jv
Jun 2015
#796
I think there should be boundaries and racist and sexist and homophobic name calling should be one
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#806
He is just the latest in a long line of posters here that get sucked into GD and start taking
Number23
Jun 2015
#797
If you paid attention to this poster's imput after Sandy Hook, you'd be wondering who the "real"
KittyWampus
Jun 2015
#810
You are mistaken, he called no one any such thing, very dishonest of you, unbelievably so in fact.
Dragonfli
Jun 2015
#815
I alerted on this OP as being Meta. The hosts are locking all the other threads about NYC_SKP
darkangel218
Jun 2015
#844
It seems those other posts were locked for complaining, per Skinner's pinned thread, top of forum
uppityperson
Jun 2015
#864
A poster messes up in ONE post, and you think he should be permanently banned????
darkangel218
Jun 2015
#875
Well all other posts now about this are locked. This one just keeps on going.
madfloridian
Jun 2015
#893
revealing of the costs and risks of investing great time and energy in an online forum
carolinayellowdog
Jun 2015
#948
A bullshit, biased decision. This sort of shit is the reason I stopped donating. /nt
Marr
Jun 2015
#912
Going for 1,000. The topics really hit a nerve here, but it was not "just one post"....
Hekate
Jun 2015
#984
For post 999, here's a brief exchange between NYC_SKP and EarlG from Sept '13
Electric Monk
Jun 2015
#999
nothing, but if he's banned by IP address, he has to get a lot more inventive than that nt
steve2470
Jun 2015
#1070
Exactly! Only reason I didn't mention SH is because I was not a part of DU then (nt)
LostOne4Ever
Jun 2015
#1050
None of his defenders will even attempt to address the facts of those Hebdo or Sandy Hook posts
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#1068
It is victim blaming. Victim blaming people who were brutally murdered. n/t
LostOne4Ever
Jun 2015
#1084