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In reply to the discussion: I remember when gay marriage was "the far left wanting a pony". [View all]Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)12. So apparently you didn't read Axelrod's book
that clarified that both Barak and Michelle Obama were always "for" marriage equality. Obama had been counselled by his strategists to protray a specific stand in the earlier days to ensure that he didn't disenfranchise a larger swath of voters that were not ready for that step yet.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/david-axelrod-reveals-truth-about-obama-gay-marriage
In his new memoir Believer: My Forty Years in Politics, longtime Obama adviser David Axelrod admits that the president supported gay marriage privately back in 2008 but concealed his position for political expediency.
This is a fact that many progressives have long suspected, but no one in Obamas inner circle has ever admitted it publicly until now. Axelrod, who served as Obamas chief campaign adviser during the 2008 race and later as a senior adviser at the White House, has provided a rare glimpse into the inner-workings of an infamously secretive campaign machine.
Im just not very good at bullsh-tting, Obama told Axelrod according to the book, and yet throughout his first victorious presidential campaign the then-Illinois senator stuck by a position of support for civil unions but not full marriage rights. In his book, Axelrod concedes that he personally put pressure on Obama to compromise his own personal beliefs in favor of marriage equality.
This is a fact that many progressives have long suspected, but no one in Obamas inner circle has ever admitted it publicly until now. Axelrod, who served as Obamas chief campaign adviser during the 2008 race and later as a senior adviser at the White House, has provided a rare glimpse into the inner-workings of an infamously secretive campaign machine.
Im just not very good at bullsh-tting, Obama told Axelrod according to the book, and yet throughout his first victorious presidential campaign the then-Illinois senator stuck by a position of support for civil unions but not full marriage rights. In his book, Axelrod concedes that he personally put pressure on Obama to compromise his own personal beliefs in favor of marriage equality.
In the same way that Bernie writes essays that portray women in a bad light, words are said, stands are made for expediency at that time in history. You could say that the DADT was the same baby steps that lead us to modern day SCOTUS decisions. Would a Republican EVER had gone the route of any of the baby steps that A Dem has gone? Of course not.
That you want to establish that campaign and political rhetoric for anyone in the past means something today to patently false and misleading.
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I remember when gay marriage was "the far left wanting a pony". [View all]
redgreenandblue
Jul 2015
OP
Oh, I don't know. Centrist doesn't seem so bad when I'm reminded of how much those on
Hortensis
Jul 2015
#208
Just saw your responses, and here are a couple of links I grabbed quickly in case you return.
Hortensis
Jul 2015
#246
Obama & Hillary were against gay marriage, before they were for it (& it became politically safe)
RiverLover
Jul 2015
#7
Look, the point is that while Obama might have been running a tactical ploy, centrist boosters of
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2015
#13
I could be mistaken here. But I believe you specifically were told, and I'm
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#74
It would be interesting if you actually found links that said that...
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2015
#91
Well I personally don't give 2 fucks what you think. As I said in my
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#95
Tell you what slappy. Show me where I made that claim. I was specifically
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#118
Well, your post DID begin "I could be mistaken here...." So clearly you made no claim whatever.
merrily
Jul 2015
#193
Check this out bubula. You can try to Rightsplain this shit all you want and try to
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#199
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192
WorseBeforeBetter
Jul 2015
#159
See? Gays had the right to free speech, equal to heteros. Where was the problem? OMFG.
merrily
Jul 2015
#203
Yes correct, same poster also said 'there is only one right you don't have' meaning marriage
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2015
#195
I wonder how much of that was gullibility, and how much was plain malice.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2015
#175
Please repeat after me: "Whatever is, is right and good and the best that could possibly exist,
merrily
Jul 2015
#214
Who gives a SHIT if a politician is 'for' you privately, if they're *against* you publicly?
Marr
Jul 2015
#111
+1 What the President says publicly impacts public opinion and lives profoundly.
merrily
Jul 2015
#220
You missed all the posts about Bernie's writings and women fantasizing about being raped?
Sheepshank
Jul 2015
#128
"Bernie writes" present tense. False. 43 fucking years ago. "Essays." Plural False.
merrily
Jul 2015
#185
A deal was cut in 2008. Obama lived up to his end of it and so did the Clintons.
merrily
Jul 2015
#222
All you have to do is look at DU threads about McClurkin, Rick Warren, or Obama 08 to see
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2015
#11
Everyone knew how it was going to be once Rick Warren gave his talk and Rahm was COS.
LiberalArkie
Jul 2015
#63
I remember that because it was also tied in with "it's just a little prayer!11!!"
riderinthestorm
Jul 2015
#213
Skinner posted in ATA once that he doesn't care if banshees and banhees return, as long
merrily
Jul 2015
#226
Have the force of character to call someone a liar if that's what you mean.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#26
Oh please, it happened, most of the posts were deleted, but nothing...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2015
#93
I think the point is more to do with people who would never march at all.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2015
#180
while i agree with you in principle, my desire to gloat sometimes just triumphs over my principles!
La Lioness Priyanka
Jul 2015
#212
So just the sheer transcendent majesty of his being President caused Iowa to legalize it?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jul 2015
#78
And did they change the face of America like Reaganites did(for the worse)? Not even close.
Rex
Jul 2015
#46
LBJ and IKE were textbook conservatives...the kind that by the 1980s Newt could only dream
Rex
Jul 2015
#49
While you're at it, I'd like to see the MIC totally defunded, Banksters in prison their spoils
Dont call me Shirley
Jul 2015
#80
I remember that too. I remember being TOLD THAT and that The Left was going to lose
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#79
You are absolutely correct. I remember the centrists' term "poutrage" for referring to civil rights.
RadiationTherapy
Jul 2015
#100
Your name doesn't seem to me to be a good fit. You seem to be appologizing for the
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#147
The pony was supposed to appear on the day after Inauguration, without having to shovel pony shit....
Hekate
Jul 2015
#121
Good to know activists have the power to sign bills &executive orders &direct the military as CIC...
Hekate
Jul 2015
#129
I agree with him too, but if he had not been doing his job, they might still be waiting.
Hekate
Jul 2015
#230
Piss poor political analysis...We lost because it's hard to get our base to turn out for...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#139
I agree. Calling LGBT activists "brazen" is about as reactionary as it gets. n/t
nomorenomore08
Jul 2015
#177
I suspect social change always starts out with a radical idea that with time and effort
mythology
Jul 2015
#138
Everybody needs a platform, I guess. Even if it's merely the lack of one.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2015
#176
This did not come about accidentally. The Human Rights Campaign and other groups
merrily
Jul 2015
#184
I can remember fighting for "civil unions" just so we could get our LGBT brothers and sisters a seat
LaydeeBug
Jul 2015
#209
Tons of Bernie supporters in this thread agree with you. Two Hillary supporters disagree.
ieoeja
Jul 2015
#216