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Octafish

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17. Sounds just like Gen. Ripper...Trying to force Armageddon's hand to ''Win''
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jul 2015
"But the movie also traded on several of the period’s familiar images, ideas and figures. The deranged Ripper, who launches the nuclear war because he’s worried that fluoridated water is a Communist con-spiracy to pollute our precious bodily fluids, bears resemblance to General Edwin Walker who recently had been forced to resign from the military for spouting similarly paranoid craziness." -- David Cochran
SOURCE: http://thesouthern.com/news/opinion/cochran-serious-message-with-comic-twist/article_280c1b80-8d5e-11e3-84c3-0019bb2963f4.html


Thing is, the fictional General Ripper was nothing compared to what some real-life flag officers were thinking:

From The Cult of the Presidency by Gene Healy, Cato Institute (of all places):



If there's anything to praise about JFK's leadership during the crisis, it's that he resisted efforts to get him to escalate the conflict still further. Thomas Power, head of the Strategic Air Command, and Curtis Lemay (sic), the Air Force chief of staff, both tried to push the Cuban Missile Crisis into a full-scale war with the Soviets. Both men, like much of the military establishment at the time, were enamored with the concept of preventive war, in which the United States would kill off its superpower rivals before they grew too strong. When Lemay had served as head of SAC from 1948 to 1957, he hoped to provoke an incident that would allow him to deliver his "Sunday Punch," 750 nuclear bombs in a few hours, leading to an estimated 60 million Russian dead. Without authorization, in 1954 Lemay ordered B-45 overflights of the Soviet Union, commenting to his aides, "Well, maybe if we do this overflight right, we can get World War III started." General Power, Lemay's successor at SAC, and a man that even Lemay considered "a sadist,” chastised a colleague at a 1960 briefing on nuclear strategy, yelling, "Restraint! Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards....Look: at the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!" The colleague replied, "Well, you'd better make sure that they're a man and a woman."

At the height of the Missile Crisis, Power allowed the prescheduled test launch of an Atlas ICBM, in an apparent attempt to spook the Soviets into action. Lemay in turn repeatedly challenged Kennedy's courage, urging the president to approve air strikes on the missile installations. That action would likely have led to the nuclear exchange Lemay had long lusted after. As we later learned, during the crisis, the Soviets had 20 operational, nuclear-armed medium-range ballistic missiles in Cuba, as well as nine tactical nuclear weapons that Russian field commanders had been authorized t use in the event of an attack. In his book Dark Sun: The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb, historian Richard Rhodes writes, "If John Kennedy had followed Lemay's advice, history would have forgotten the Nazis and their terrible Holocaust. Ours would have been the historic omnicide."

That presidents advised by such men had in their hands the means to kill millions should be unsettling to people of normal human sensibilities. That presidents showed restraint while in possession of such power gives us cause for thanks, but it is, at best, an uneasy source of comfort.

SOURCE: https://books.google.com/books?id=PFHD_fp-S80C&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=%E2%80%9CAt+the+end+of+the+war,+if+there+are+two+Americans+and+one+Russian,+we+win!%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=GYfL8oQ8I7&sig=_elPVv37oBT0MC5iqYvXyT73WWY&hl=en&ei=ggV_SvDMHIe4NuGo-PYC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CAt%20the%20end%20of%20the%20war%2C%20if%20there%20are%20two%20Americans%20and%20one%20Russian%2C%20we%20win!%E2%80%9D&f=false



Thanks for remembering what's at stake, paleotn. Some people still think we can kill our way to peace.

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Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #1
The conservative thread runs through the Joint Chiefs and out CIA's ops bosses... Octafish Jul 2015 #13
Walker was almost Lee Harvey Oswald's first victim. Archae Jul 2015 #2
One theory is that Oswald was on his way to shoot Walker when he encountered Officer Tippit. John1956PA Jul 2015 #5
The shot taken at Walker was months earlier, in April 1963 starroute Jul 2015 #6
I know. The theory is that Oswald intended a second try after he shot JFK. John1956PA Jul 2015 #8
Walker wasn't even in Dallas on November 22, 1963 starroute Jul 2015 #12
I believe Oswald shot JFK... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #11
As Jack Ruby killed Oswald while in police custody, we'll never get the full story. Octafish Jul 2015 #14
Oswald was never a suspect in the Walker attempt. MinM Jul 2015 #18
He couldn't hit a back lit, sitting target at close range, Mc Mike Aug 2015 #39
Walker partially inspired the character of General Scott in "Seven Days in May." John1956PA Jul 2015 #3
Thanks! I was just about to pose that very question! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #7
Didn't know that malthaussen Jul 2015 #9
Gen. Walker also was mentioned by name in ''Seven Days in May.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #16
Chair of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Lemnitzer signed the Operation Northwoods Directive leveymg Jul 2015 #26
Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and CIA chief Allen Dulles counseled the USA launch all-out nuclear war on USSR Octafish Jul 2015 #30
Most of us would be killed, but thank gawd we preserved our American way of life. leveymg Jul 2015 #31
One has to prioritize, including who gets to come in to the bunker, like Republicans... Octafish Jul 2015 #32
Sounds like Gen. Ripper paleotn Jul 2015 #4
Sounds just like Gen. Ripper...Trying to force Armageddon's hand to ''Win'' Octafish Jul 2015 #17
A few more tidbits about Walker starroute Jul 2015 #10
Gen. Lemnitzer's support for upside down flag-flying Gen. Walker is shocking. Octafish Jul 2015 #19
...it is as yet not generally well accepted how alone Kennedy was. MinM Jul 2015 #21
Walker friend @ FBI DESTROYED EVIDENCE given to them by Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE JFK assassination. Octafish Jul 2015 #34
I was going to bring up this FBI Hosty-Bircher Walker connection, also. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #40
Lemnitzer had earlier been involved with Allen Dulles in Operation Sunrise starroute Jul 2015 #23
Walker had many connections on that low level... Octafish Jul 2015 #35
I've been curious for years about why Dulles was never in trouble for his 1930s stuff starroute Jul 2015 #37
''The Brothers'' by Steven Kinzer Octafish Jul 2015 #38
I think the birchers are just pro-nazi American repugs who lost their bid to back Hitler, Mc Mike Aug 2015 #41
Gen. Wolff became number 2 in the SS after Heydrich's car was ambushed at a hairpin turn. Octafish Jul 2015 #36
More on Walker and Hargis starroute Jul 2015 #27
kr Thanks. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #15
''White Terrorism'' never happens per Corporate McPravda Octafish Jul 2015 #22
Great thread K&R (eom) CanSocDem Jul 2015 #20
J Edgar Hoover thought Civil Rights Movement was big Commie Plot. Octafish Jul 2015 #29
Yes. Today, we are fighting the same people. mmonk Jul 2015 #24
Not just the same people but the same techniques starroute Jul 2015 #25
Bless you, Octafish. Boomerproud Jul 2015 #28
Walker was behind the ''JFK-Wanted for Treason'' posters in Dallas on 22 November 1963. Octafish Jul 2015 #33
Thanks for the o.p. Octa. Excellent info. I didn't know Moe Udall had investigated Walker. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #42
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