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starroute

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23. Lemnitzer had earlier been involved with Allen Dulles in Operation Sunrise
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jul 2015

Operation Sunrise was an attempt by Allen Dulles in March 1945 to negotiate a separate surrender of German forces in northern Italy with SS General Karl Wolff while excluding both Hitler and the Russians. Wolff, a former banker and PR man who had been Himmler's chief of staff and was then made military governor of northern Italy after Mussolini's government collapsed, held talks first with Dulles and then a few days later with General Leminitzer.

(Russian objections to this apparent end-run around them caused the talks to fail, but the distrust it sowed may have helped lead to the Cold War.)

When the British charged Wolff with war crimes after the war, both Dulles and Lemnitzer intervened on his behalf. Wolff received a light sentence and was released in 1949. However, he was indicted again by the Germans in 1962, shortly after Dulles's resignation as head of the CIA, and was convicted in 1964. At that time, Lemnitzer -- who by then was Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in Europe -- once again appealed for clemency in the case.

There's a lot to chew on in all this -- not only the Dulles-Lemnitzer connection but the question of whether they were still protecting Wolff in that crucial 1962-64 period, and if so why. Was it just old boys' club stuff, or was something more going on?

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Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #1
The conservative thread runs through the Joint Chiefs and out CIA's ops bosses... Octafish Jul 2015 #13
Walker was almost Lee Harvey Oswald's first victim. Archae Jul 2015 #2
One theory is that Oswald was on his way to shoot Walker when he encountered Officer Tippit. John1956PA Jul 2015 #5
The shot taken at Walker was months earlier, in April 1963 starroute Jul 2015 #6
I know. The theory is that Oswald intended a second try after he shot JFK. John1956PA Jul 2015 #8
Walker wasn't even in Dallas on November 22, 1963 starroute Jul 2015 #12
I believe Oswald shot JFK... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #11
As Jack Ruby killed Oswald while in police custody, we'll never get the full story. Octafish Jul 2015 #14
Oswald was never a suspect in the Walker attempt. MinM Jul 2015 #18
He couldn't hit a back lit, sitting target at close range, Mc Mike Aug 2015 #39
Walker partially inspired the character of General Scott in "Seven Days in May." John1956PA Jul 2015 #3
Thanks! I was just about to pose that very question! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #7
Didn't know that malthaussen Jul 2015 #9
Gen. Walker also was mentioned by name in ''Seven Days in May.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #16
Chair of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Lemnitzer signed the Operation Northwoods Directive leveymg Jul 2015 #26
Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and CIA chief Allen Dulles counseled the USA launch all-out nuclear war on USSR Octafish Jul 2015 #30
Most of us would be killed, but thank gawd we preserved our American way of life. leveymg Jul 2015 #31
One has to prioritize, including who gets to come in to the bunker, like Republicans... Octafish Jul 2015 #32
Sounds like Gen. Ripper paleotn Jul 2015 #4
Sounds just like Gen. Ripper...Trying to force Armageddon's hand to ''Win'' Octafish Jul 2015 #17
A few more tidbits about Walker starroute Jul 2015 #10
Gen. Lemnitzer's support for upside down flag-flying Gen. Walker is shocking. Octafish Jul 2015 #19
...it is as yet not generally well accepted how alone Kennedy was. MinM Jul 2015 #21
Walker friend @ FBI DESTROYED EVIDENCE given to them by Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE JFK assassination. Octafish Jul 2015 #34
I was going to bring up this FBI Hosty-Bircher Walker connection, also. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #40
Lemnitzer had earlier been involved with Allen Dulles in Operation Sunrise starroute Jul 2015 #23
Walker had many connections on that low level... Octafish Jul 2015 #35
I've been curious for years about why Dulles was never in trouble for his 1930s stuff starroute Jul 2015 #37
''The Brothers'' by Steven Kinzer Octafish Jul 2015 #38
I think the birchers are just pro-nazi American repugs who lost their bid to back Hitler, Mc Mike Aug 2015 #41
Gen. Wolff became number 2 in the SS after Heydrich's car was ambushed at a hairpin turn. Octafish Jul 2015 #36
More on Walker and Hargis starroute Jul 2015 #27
kr Thanks. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #15
''White Terrorism'' never happens per Corporate McPravda Octafish Jul 2015 #22
Great thread K&R (eom) CanSocDem Jul 2015 #20
J Edgar Hoover thought Civil Rights Movement was big Commie Plot. Octafish Jul 2015 #29
Yes. Today, we are fighting the same people. mmonk Jul 2015 #24
Not just the same people but the same techniques starroute Jul 2015 #25
Bless you, Octafish. Boomerproud Jul 2015 #28
Walker was behind the ''JFK-Wanted for Treason'' posters in Dallas on 22 November 1963. Octafish Jul 2015 #33
Thanks for the o.p. Octa. Excellent info. I didn't know Moe Udall had investigated Walker. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #42
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