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Octafish

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30. Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and CIA chief Allen Dulles counseled the USA launch all-out nuclear war on USSR
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jul 2015

The best time for attack was "sometime in the fall of 1963," ensuring the nation's maximum nuclear superiority over the Soviet Union. That way there wouldn't be any question as to the end of communism.



Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?

Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.

James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994

During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.

The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.

But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.

The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.

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http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963



Makes one see where they got the idea for "Better Dead than Red."



The Real Eisenhower: Planning to Win Nuclear War

by Ira Chernus
Common Dreams
March 18, 2008

Peace activists love to quote Dwight Eisenhower. The iconic Republican war hero spoke so eloquently about the dangers of war and the need for disarmament. He makes a terrific poster-boy for peace. But after years of research and writing three books on Ike, I think it's time to see the real Eisenhower stand up. The president who planned to fight and win a nuclear war, saying "he would rather be atomized than communized," reminds us how dangerous the cold war era really was, how much our leaders will put us all at risk in the name of "national security," and how easily they can mask their intentions behind benign images.

From first to last, Eisenhower was a confirmed cold warrior. Years before he became president, while he was publicly promoting cooperation with the Soviet Union, he wrote in his diary: "Russia is definitely out to communize the world....Now we face a battle to extinction." On the home front, he warned that liberal Democrats were leading the U.S. "toward total socialism."

SNIP…

For Eisenhower, the point of amassing a huge nuclear arsenal was not to deter war but to win it. This was enshrined as official policy in NSC 5810/1: "The United States must make clear its determination to prevail if general war occurs." The only meaningful war aim, he told the NSC, was "to achieve a victory." He described his war plan as "Hit the guy fast with all you've got if he jumps on you"; "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket."

SNIP…

Eisenhower assumed that a post-holocaust America would be a totalitarian state, ruled by martial law. But he worried about (among other things) what would happen to the credit structure of the country and how to print and sell war bonds to finance the next war if Washington were destroyed. At one NSC meeting he complained that if the President and the Vice President were "knocked off," the "damnable" law of succession would result in the Democrats (he called them "the other team&quot taking the White House. "To assure against that happening, the President thought the Vice President should be put in cotton batting."

SNIP…

And we ignore it at our peril, because it was a policy that put anticommunist ideology above human life, made by a man who would "push whole stack of chips into the pot" and "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket"; who would "shoot your enemy before he shoots you"; who believed that the U.S. could "pick itself up from the floor" and win a nuclear war, even though "everybody is going crazy," as long as "only" 25 or 30 American cities got "shellacked" and nobody got too "hysterical."

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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/18/7742



Too bad there might not be many Americans around after hitting them with "everything in the bucket," but, hey! As Eisenhower and crazy Gen. Powers said, even if only one American survives and no Russians, "We win!"

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Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #1
The conservative thread runs through the Joint Chiefs and out CIA's ops bosses... Octafish Jul 2015 #13
Walker was almost Lee Harvey Oswald's first victim. Archae Jul 2015 #2
One theory is that Oswald was on his way to shoot Walker when he encountered Officer Tippit. John1956PA Jul 2015 #5
The shot taken at Walker was months earlier, in April 1963 starroute Jul 2015 #6
I know. The theory is that Oswald intended a second try after he shot JFK. John1956PA Jul 2015 #8
Walker wasn't even in Dallas on November 22, 1963 starroute Jul 2015 #12
I believe Oswald shot JFK... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #11
As Jack Ruby killed Oswald while in police custody, we'll never get the full story. Octafish Jul 2015 #14
Oswald was never a suspect in the Walker attempt. MinM Jul 2015 #18
He couldn't hit a back lit, sitting target at close range, Mc Mike Aug 2015 #39
Walker partially inspired the character of General Scott in "Seven Days in May." John1956PA Jul 2015 #3
Thanks! I was just about to pose that very question! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #7
Didn't know that malthaussen Jul 2015 #9
Gen. Walker also was mentioned by name in ''Seven Days in May.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #16
Chair of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Lemnitzer signed the Operation Northwoods Directive leveymg Jul 2015 #26
Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and CIA chief Allen Dulles counseled the USA launch all-out nuclear war on USSR Octafish Jul 2015 #30
Most of us would be killed, but thank gawd we preserved our American way of life. leveymg Jul 2015 #31
One has to prioritize, including who gets to come in to the bunker, like Republicans... Octafish Jul 2015 #32
Sounds like Gen. Ripper paleotn Jul 2015 #4
Sounds just like Gen. Ripper...Trying to force Armageddon's hand to ''Win'' Octafish Jul 2015 #17
A few more tidbits about Walker starroute Jul 2015 #10
Gen. Lemnitzer's support for upside down flag-flying Gen. Walker is shocking. Octafish Jul 2015 #19
...it is as yet not generally well accepted how alone Kennedy was. MinM Jul 2015 #21
Walker friend @ FBI DESTROYED EVIDENCE given to them by Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE JFK assassination. Octafish Jul 2015 #34
I was going to bring up this FBI Hosty-Bircher Walker connection, also. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #40
Lemnitzer had earlier been involved with Allen Dulles in Operation Sunrise starroute Jul 2015 #23
Walker had many connections on that low level... Octafish Jul 2015 #35
I've been curious for years about why Dulles was never in trouble for his 1930s stuff starroute Jul 2015 #37
''The Brothers'' by Steven Kinzer Octafish Jul 2015 #38
I think the birchers are just pro-nazi American repugs who lost their bid to back Hitler, Mc Mike Aug 2015 #41
Gen. Wolff became number 2 in the SS after Heydrich's car was ambushed at a hairpin turn. Octafish Jul 2015 #36
More on Walker and Hargis starroute Jul 2015 #27
kr Thanks. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #15
''White Terrorism'' never happens per Corporate McPravda Octafish Jul 2015 #22
Great thread K&R (eom) CanSocDem Jul 2015 #20
J Edgar Hoover thought Civil Rights Movement was big Commie Plot. Octafish Jul 2015 #29
Yes. Today, we are fighting the same people. mmonk Jul 2015 #24
Not just the same people but the same techniques starroute Jul 2015 #25
Bless you, Octafish. Boomerproud Jul 2015 #28
Walker was behind the ''JFK-Wanted for Treason'' posters in Dallas on 22 November 1963. Octafish Jul 2015 #33
Thanks for the o.p. Octa. Excellent info. I didn't know Moe Udall had investigated Walker. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #42
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