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41. Well let me see - Am I sorry for the holocaust - as a German American - yes. Am I sorry for

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:37 PM

Jul 2015

the opium wars - since I do not know if I have any direct link to the benefits of that war - no. Am I sorry for the crusades - since I have one of the real abusers during the crusades in my family tree - yes. The inquisition - since I am Christian - yes. The systematic oppression of non-Christians - connected through the holocaust, the ME wars - yes.

I am not so much personally sorry but I am recognizing that I have some connection to the events in the past and I am condemning those acts for what they are - WRONG. We tend to waltz our way through history as if it has nothing to do with us. That is one of the reasons I started doing genealogy - to make sure that my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren would understand that they are part of history - both the good and the bad.

I am sorry that we tolerated and defended slavery for so long. I am especially sorry that we are still doing it.

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I am sorry for slavery. Part of the privilege of being white is that I don't often need to [View all] Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 OP

I accept your apology and ask that you jaysunb Jul 2015 #1

I do and will continue. Thank you, Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #3

Ed said it all. There is nothing to add. k &r. shraby Jul 2015 #2

A lot of people have never read a book by a black author tblue Jul 2015 #4

Great post. Agree completely. cui bono Jul 2015 #5

I was fortunate enough to have a wonderful Paka Jul 2015 #6

I feel that way partly.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #7

Native Son is one of the great American novels vlakitti Jul 2015 #8

It is a disgrace brer cat Jul 2015 #9

The new Texas history books ignore most of the stuff about slavery and tblue37 Jul 2015 #21

And that most of them have to wait until college to do that. jwirr Jul 2015 #29

We aren't directly morally culpable for slavery. We *are* directly morally culpable for the racist Romulox Jul 2015 #10

Kick tavernier Jul 2015 #11

kicked...nt Quayblue Jul 2015 #12

Civilization doesn't happen without slavery The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #13

Slavery based on color is has not happened throughout history. Also when you are talking about jwirr Jul 2015 #31

Is slavery based on color worse than slavery based on something else? The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #54

WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #34

Isn't mind boggling? Civilization began in Africa. These racists here don't know shit! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #53

Civilization beginning in Africa would change what? The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #60

The utterly ridiculous statement made in the post above! It also educates EVERYONE--racists and not- Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #64

I'm sorry, you'll have to show me where I said anything about The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #79

1StrongBlackMan caught it, too. Go back and read your comment. Read 1SBM's response. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #85

And before the resident Slavery scholars pipe in with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #61

Before they keep going back to slavery - can we get up to 1919? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #103

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #114

American slavery was uniquely based on white supremacy rather than class or circumstances. freshwest Jul 2015 #127

Thank you for your excellent post. haikugal Jul 2015 #142

That's interesting. I have not read anything about that, can you recommend a book? cui bono Jul 2015 #130

Here is a primer out of the University of Colorada ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #132

Thanks, I appreciate it. cui bono Jul 2015 #133

Someone with an itchy alert finger didn't like your tone. Jury disagreed. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #91

Where did he call someone a racist? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #95

I'm a GIRL!! LOL! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #101

I screwed up! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #109

Bwwwaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! LOL! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #120

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #126

One of the 'female persuasion,' huh? Triple whammy for you! Expect incoming! :) freshwest Jul 2015 #117

LOL!! I thought everyone knew that about me. You mean, all my flirting and kisses weren't enough? :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #119

Oh, I knew that a long time ago. But you have just got another mark against you! freshwest Jul 2015 #121

LMAO!! Oh, but of course. I gotta love Sanitarium, though. He's the best racist ReThug out there... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #122

It didn't happen, and it looks like me & 4 other jurors thought it was a weak alert. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #106

In the title of her post. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #152

NMBirder and AverageJoe90 were perfect examples of this JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #154

But she wasn't talking about either of those people. Rather, The2ndWheel was the target Scootaloo Jul 2015 #156

Take it to admin JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #157

I figure the2ndwheel can do it, if he's bothered by it Scootaloo Jul 2015 #158

Thanks but no thanks! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #159

It doesn't fit. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #161

Oh no! Fear of the R word lovemydog Jul 2015 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jul 2015 #172

Oy....does it EVER end? randys1 Jul 2015 #68

I know, huh? NOLALady Jul 2015 #69

Hey - me? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #93

Glad someone's laughing. Don't know whether to laugh or cry to be honest. Just SMDH! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #102

Sometimes I'm just happy that I don't live next door to folks JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #108

heheheheh…... blm Jul 2015 #115

I had someone post something yesterday ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #112

Oooh boy! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jul 2015 #173

I thought Ed's OP was referring to nc4bo Jul 2015 #51

Unless the OP was around a few hundred years ago The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #63

ACtually what we should do is pay reparations and consider ourselves lucky that is all we have to do randys1 Jul 2015 #72

I am interested in your reparations plan philosslayer Jul 2015 #87

Tax everyone, including those who will benefit, then pay reparations to randys1 Jul 2015 #88

how about this plan heaven05 Jul 2015 #169

No. Just because you're selling doesn't mean I must buy. nc4bo Jul 2015 #73

It was talking about slavery in America. Quayblue Jul 2015 #111

It starts like this Ed. "as a nation — we have got to apologize for slavery" Autumn Jul 2015 #14

Racial collective guilt is unhealthy Taitertots Jul 2015 #15

Damn romanic Jul 2015 #16

Expressing sorrow is I believe, wholly different than making an apology. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #19

I'm saddened that you had to take a dig at my reading "a couple books while attending college" Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #20

My family came from Europe to avoid the holocaust... Taitertots Jul 2015 #23

Nobody is talking about guilt. kwassa Jul 2015 #137

What was the U.S. government's involvement in ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #38

+1 lovemydog Jul 2015 #136

Well let me see - Am I sorry for the holocaust - as a German American - yes. Am I sorry for jwirr Jul 2015 #41

I know - I hate when that happens JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #110

So am i ibegurpard Jul 2015 #17

Africans bear a huge responsibility for slave trade as well. B2G Jul 2015 #18

results of my alert ibegurpard Jul 2015 #22

Ugh. Perhaps this person isn't a post and run type. nc4bo Jul 2015 #24

I just did. nt B2G Jul 2015 #26

Not much to elaborate. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #27

Really? Acknowleging BOTH sides of the slave trade B2G Jul 2015 #30

racist slavery apologism ibegurpard Jul 2015 #32

Whatever B2G Jul 2015 #33

Your post was too vague to be correct or incorrect.... daleanime Jul 2015 #163

Those slave traders in Africa weren't from nations founded on the basis of individual blm Jul 2015 #35

yup ibegurpard Jul 2015 #37

This was alerted on... Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #43

alert troll? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #46

Racism is permeated throughout DU and the Moderators aren't doing shit about it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #57

There is that...White privilege allows some to simply not see what is SEARED into your brain randys1 Jul 2015 #75

You guys need to cut this "racist" crap. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #123

trying to absolve responsibility for slavery ibegurpard Jul 2015 #124

Really SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #128

post #164 heaven05 Jul 2015 #167

Sorry, I thought I was agreeing - I said "ideals," not reality. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #168

+1000 heaven05 Jul 2015 #170

I suppose it depends on the point Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #129

In this case of heaven05 Jul 2015 #166

well, I can see heaven05 Jul 2015 #164

I assume that you are talking about the fact that the slaves were often sold by other Afican tribes jwirr Jul 2015 #48

Exactly, and I'm not trying to absolve anyone. nt B2G Jul 2015 #55

I struggled responding to this line of "reasoning"; so I will just recommend that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #52

I'm sorry you felt you had to censor yourself ibegurpard Jul 2015 #62

I have too many recent hides ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #71

Yes, there are some who want to silence you and anyone who supports you so live to randys1 Jul 2015 #76

I disagreed with you vehemently in those discussions ibegurpard Jul 2015 #82

A book recommendation: gollygee Jul 2015 #70

I agree. cwydro Jul 2015 #107

No, they did not enslave or sell their countrymen BainsBane Jul 2015 #149

Thank you Juror #4. You get it. B2G Jul 2015 #25

A few profiteers versus our entire society? Are you fucking serious? bettyellen Jul 2015 #36

Oh he or she is serious all right ibegurpard Jul 2015 #39

Seriously deranged bit of RW derailing there- "blacks did it too!". Fuck that noise. bettyellen Jul 2015 #42

Fuck that noise indeed randys1 Jul 2015 #77

That's the go to these days JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #97

I tried to write a response to that thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #56

I see you are getting some real shitty alerts. bettyellen Jul 2015 #78

It makes sense from an "this is our particular history" point of view The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #45

Thanks. 840high Jul 2015 #138

I'm Juror #3 and I'm afraid that there are so many racists here on DU that this place will become... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #50

It's not racism ... It's economics!!!!! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #58

Oh, yes. How could I forget?? :( Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #59

And the long winded explanations of why slavery, while sort of bad, really is blah blah blah randys1 Jul 2015 #81

I wasn't on the jury, but I wouldn't hide it Reter Jul 2015 #151

Really? This is why we can't have nice things. azmom Jul 2015 #40

Wrong. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #44

Henry Louis Gates disagrees. B2G Jul 2015 #47

Not at all. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #49

the title Ending the Slavery "Blame Game" explains their POV completely- it's a game, or card played bettyellen Jul 2015 #84

It's an abdication from the responsibility we have as US society to make whole the harm from racism. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #105

I agree - let me knock you over with a feather JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #155

I like Cjeekdgg CreekDog Jul 2015 #66

Yay, you're here!! B2G Jul 2015 #67

What is your issue with Africa? CreekDog Jul 2015 #83

I was wondering where you went. B2G Jul 2015 #86

your posts about Africa, Africans or African Americans are not needles in a haystack CreekDog Jul 2015 #89

Being concerned about Ebola transmissions B2G Jul 2015 #94

it appears your concern is about Africans CreekDog Jul 2015 #100

It appears we were having a perfectly rational discussion in the ebola thread B2G Jul 2015 #104

WOW, that's interesting! bettyellen Jul 2015 #90

He has a whole dossier on me B2G Jul 2015 #96

obviously justified ibegurpard Jul 2015 #98

Totally. nt B2G Jul 2015 #99

You did awesome on that thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #125

Go get'em, Dog!! Number23 Jul 2015 #162

We can put you in charge of going to Africa and arranging for reparations, in the meantime randys1 Jul 2015 #74

You DO NOT heaven05 Jul 2015 #150

No, point of fact they do not. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #153

Hey genius!!!! heaven05 Jul 2015 #165

^^^^THAT^^^^ jwirr Jul 2015 #28

In my Black studies class (1968) we also read Leroy Jones (now Amiri Baraka) panader0 Jul 2015 #65

I read Howard Zinn on how slaves were transported, and "packed." I still gasp for air Hoyt Jul 2015 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #140

Now Read: The New Jim Crow JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #92

There is an abundant amount of documentation supporting reparations which would bring much Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #116

My ancestors fought for Free State Kansas MuseRider Jul 2015 #118

I'm sorry too for that which i had no control over seveneyes Jul 2015 #131

I worked my fingers to the muther fucking bone seveneyes Jul 2015 #134

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #139

Just to let you know that not only blacks were in slavery! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #141

You cannot apologise for something that you were not a part akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #143

Wait a minute. Now I'm not the smartest guy in the room, pretty much ever, but I hear people say Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #144

All am saying is that you do not have to apologise for what your ancestors did! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #145

Thanks. I appreciate what you are saying, but if it's good enough for the Pope . . . Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #146

Being sorry for something and apologizing are two different things philosslayer Jul 2015 #171

Things you should never feel guilty for: Being horny and stuff your ancestors did. redgreenandblue Jul 2015 #147

There's a thread by golly gee following up on your post yesterday JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #148

I'd be ok with a reparations program bluestateguy Jul 2015 #160