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In reply to the discussion: BFEE Just Us [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)115. One Morn' in Sherwood Forest...

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.
The Sting
In the best rip-off, the mark never knows that he or she was set up for fleecing.
In the case of the great financial meltdown of 2008, the victim is the U.S. taxpayer.
Going by the lack of analysis in Corporate McPravda, We the People are in for a royal fleecing.

Dont just take my word about the current situation between giant criminality and the politically connected.
[font color="green"][font size="5"]You see, there is evidence of conspiracy. An honest FBI agent warned us in 2004 about the coming financial meltdown and the powers-that-be stiffed him, too.[/font size][/font color]
The storys below. And its not fiction. It is true to life.

The Set-Up
You dont have to be a fan of Paul Newman or Robert Redford to smell a BFEE rat. The oily critters name is Gramm. Phil Gramm. He helped Ronald Reagan push through his trickle-down fiscal policy and later helped de-regulate the nation's once-healthy Saving & Loan industry. We all know how well that worked out: Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nations S&Ls for Power and Profit.
In 1999, then-super conservative Texas U.S. Senator Gramm helped pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act. This law allowed banks to act like investment houses. Using federally-guaranteed savings accounts, banks now could make risky commercial and real-estate loans.
The law shouldve been called the Gramm-Lansky Act. To those who gave a damn, it was obviously a potential disaster. During the bills debate, the specter of a taxpayer bail-out was raised by Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, warning about what had happened to the deregulated S&Ls.
Gramm wasnt alone on the deregulation bandwagon. The law passed, IIRC, like 89-9. More than a few of my own Democratic faves went along with this deregulation, get-government-off-the-back-of-business law.
Today we have their love child, MOABfor the Mother Of All Bailouts.

The Mark
In a sting, someone has to supply the money to be ripped off. Crooks call that person the mark or target or mope. In the present case, thats the U.S. taxpayer.
Todays financial crisis seems like a re-run of what happened to the Savings & Loans industry in the late 1980s. Well it is a lot like what happened to the S&Ls. Then, as now, its the U.S. taxpayer who gets to pick up the tab for someone elses party.
Dont worry, U.S. taxpayer. Youre getting something (among several things) for your $700 billion. Youre getting all the bad mortgage-based paper on almost all of Wall Street. Id rather have penny stocks, because if there ever was something of negative value its the complicated notes and derivatives based on this mortgage debt.
When it comes to Bush economic policy, left holding the bag are We the People, er, Mopes. Dont worry, it cant get worse. As St. Ronnie would say, Well. Yes. You see, what the bag U.S. taxpayers hold is less than empty. Its filled with bad debt.
The Mastermind
Chief economist amongst these merry band of thieves and traitors was one Phil Gramm (once a conservative Democrat and then an ultraconservative Republican-Taxus). An economist by training and reputation, Gramm was one of the guiding lights of Reaganomics, the cut taxes, domestic spending, and regulations while raising defense-spending to new heights. In sum, it was a fiscal policy to enrich friends especially the kind connected to the BFEE.
Foreclosure Phil
Years before Phil Gramm was a McCain campaign adviser and a lobbyist for a Swiss bank at the center of the housing credit crisis, he pulled a sly maneuver in the Senate that helped create today's subprime meltdown.
David Corn
MotherJones.com
May 28, 2008
Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time? There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly. Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm cochairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure.
Gramm's long been a handmaiden to Big Finance. In the 1990s, as chairman of the Senate banking committee, he routinely turned down Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt's requests for more money to police Wall Street; during this period, the sec's workload shot up 80 percent, but its staff grew only 20 percent. Gramm also opposed an sec rule that would have prohibited accounting firms from getting too close to the companies they auditedat one point, according to Levitt's memoir, he warned the sec chairman that if the commission adopted the rule, its funding would be cut. And in 1999, Gramm pushed through a historic banking deregulation bill that decimated Depression-era firewalls between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firmssetting off a wave of merger mania.
But Gramm's most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industryfriends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional careercame on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered deadeven by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. "Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it," says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history.
It's not exactly like Gramm hid his handiworkfar from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act's inclusion into the must-pass budget package. But only an expert, or a lobbyist, could have followed what Gramm was saying. The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swapsand would thus "protect financial institutions from overregulation" and "position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century."
Subprime 1-2-3
Don't understand credit default swaps? Don't worryneither does Congress. Herewith, a step-by-step outline of the subprime risk betting game. Casey Miner
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http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclo...
A fine mind for modern Bushonomics. Kill the middle class. Then, rob from the poor to give to the rich.
The Mentor

Anyone whos ever heard him talk knows that Gramm mustve learned all this stuff from somebody. He could never think it all up on his own. He had to have help. Thats where Meyer Lansky, the man who brought modern finance to the Mafia, comes in.
Money Laundering
Answers.com
EXCERPT...
History
Modern development
The act of "money laundering" was not invented during the Prohibition era in the United States, but many techniques were developed and refined then. Many methods were devised to disguise the origins of money generated by the sale of then-illegal alcoholic beverages. Following Al Capone's 1931 conviction for tax evasion, mobster Meyer Lansky transferred funds from Florida "carpet joints" (small casinos) to accounts overseas. After the 1934 Swiss Banking Act, which created the principle of bank secrecy, Meyer Lansky bought a Swiss bank to which he would transfer his illegal funds through a complex system of shell companies, holding companies, and offshore accounts.(1)
The term "money laundering" does not derive, as is often said, from Al Capone having used laundromats to hide ill-gotten gains. It was Meyer Lansky who perfected money laundering's older brother, "capital flight," transferring his funds to Switzerland and other offshore places. The first reference to the term "money laundering" itself actually appears during the Watergate scandal. US President Richard Nixon's "Committee to Re-elect the President" moved illegal campaign contributions to Mexico, then brought the money back through a company in Miami. It was Britain's Guardian newspaper that coined the term, referring to the process as "laundering."

Process
Money laundering is often described as occurring in three stages: placement, layering, and integration.(3)
Placement: refers to the initial point of entry for funds derived from criminal activities.
Layering: refers to the creation of complex networks of transactions which attempt to obscure the link between the initial entry point, and the end of the laundering cycle.
Integration: refers to the return of funds to the legitimate economy for later extraction.
However, The Anti Money Laundering Network recommends the terms
Hide: to reflect the fact that cash is often introduced to the economy via commercial concerns which may knowingly or not knowingly be part of the laundering scheme, and it is these which ultimately prove to be the interface between the criminal and the financial sector
Move: clearly explains that the money launderer uses transfers, sales and purchase of assets, and changes the shape and size of the lump of money so as to obfuscate the trail between money and crime or money and criminal.
Invest: the criminal spends the money: he/she may invest it in assets, or in his/her lifestyle.
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http://www.answers.com/topic/money-laundering
The great journalist Lucy Komisar has shone a big light on the subject:
Offshore Banking
The U.S.A.s Secret Threat
Lucy Komisar
The Blacklisted Journalist
June 1, 2003
EXCERPT
In 1932, mobster Meyer Lansky took money from New Orleans slot machines and shifted it to accounts overseas. The Swiss secrecy law two years later assured him of G-man-proof banking. Later, he bought a Swiss bank and for years deposited his Havana casino take in Miami accounts, then wired the funds to Switzerland via a network of shell and holding companies and offshore accounts, some of them in banks whose officials knew very well they were working for criminals. By the 1950s, Lansky was using the system for cash from the heroin trade.
Today, offshore is where most of the world's drug money is laundered, estimated at up to $500 billion a year, more than the total income of the world's poorest 20 percent. Add the proceeds of tax evasion and the figure skyrockets to $1 trillion. Another few hundred billion come from fraud and corruption.
Lansky laundered money so he could pay taxes and legitimate his spoils. About half the users of offshore have opposite goals. As hotel owner and tax cheat Leona Helmsley said---according to her former housekeeper during Helmsley's trial for tax evasion---"Only the little people pay taxes." Rich individuals and corporations avoid taxes through complex, accountant-aided schemes that routinely use offshore accounts and companies to hide income and manufacture deductions.
The impact is massive. The IRS estimates that taxpayers fail to pay in excess of $100 billion in taxes annually due on income from legal sources. The General Accounting Office says that American wage-earners report 97 percent of their wages, while self-employed persons report just 11 percent of theirs. Each year between 1989 and 1995, a majority of corporations, both foreign- and U.S.-controlled, paid no U.S. income tax. European governments are fighting the same problem. The situation is even worse in developing countries.
The issue surfaces in the press when an accounting scam is so outrageous that it strains credulity. Take the case of Stanley Works, which announced a "move" of its headquarters-on paper-from New Britain, Connecticut, to Bermuda and of its imaginary management to Barbados. Though its building and staff would actually stay put, manufacturing hammers and wrenches, Stanley Works would no longer pay taxes on profits from international trade. The Securities and Exchange Commission, run by Harvey Pitt---an attorney who for more than twenty years represented the top accounting and Wall Street firms he was regulating---accepted the pretense as legal.
"The whole business is a sham," fumed New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, who more than any other U.S. law enforcer has attacked the offshore system. "The headquarters will be in a country where that company is not permitted to do business. They're saying a company is managed in Barbados when there's one meeting there a year. In the prospectus, they say legally controlled and managed in Barbados. If they took out the word legally, it would be a fraud. But Barbadian law says it's legal, so it's legal." The conceit apparently also persuaded the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column92e.html
Socialize the risk for Wall Street. Privatize the loss to Uncle Sams nieces and nephews. Congratulations, Dear Reader! Now you know as much as Phil Gramm.
The Diversion
Still, a global financial meltdown sounds like something bad. Making things worse, were hearing that Uncle Sam is broke! Flat busted. Tapped out.
Thats odd, though. We the People see the Treasury being emptied with tax breaks for the wealthy and checks to the companies they own that make money off of war. Want to know how to make a buck these days? Invest in the likes of Halliburton and Northrup Grumman. Anything in the warmongering business connected to Bush and his cronies will weather the downturn or depression.
The Wall Street Journal -- a paper owned and operated by Fox News head, Rupert Murdoch was very quick to promote the crisis, as DUer JustPlainKathy observed. The paper was even faster to pounce on a solution: Whats needed is a safety net for banks. And quick as a wink, they found the answer!
Only the U.S. taxpayer has the wherewithal to prevent the collapse of the global financial system -- a global economic meltdown that would freeze up credit and investment and expansion and prosperity and a return to the Great Depression. Who can be against that?
Oh. Kay. Sounds about right Rupert the Alien agreeing with what Leona Helmsley said: Only the little people pay taxes.

Gramm and McCain also are in favor of privatization. How nice is that?
The Getaway
George Walker Bush and his right-wing pals feel they can get away with this, their latest rip-off the American taxpayers. Who can blame them? When compared to their clear record of incompetence, lies, fraud, theft, mass-murder, warmongering and treason, whats a few trillion dollar rip-off?

Still, it's weird how they act.
They must really think theyll be welcomed with open arms in Paraguay and Dubai and Switzerland.
Going by the welcome the world gave the Shah of Iran, theyre in for a big surprise.
The FBI Guy
Dont say we werent warned. An intrepid FBI agent with something sorely lacking in the rest of the Bush administration, integrity, blew the whistle on the bank thing
FBI saw threat of mortgage crisis
A top official warned of widening loan fraud in 2004, but the agency focused its resources elsewhere.
By Richard B. Schmitt
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 25, 2008
WASHINGTON Long before the mortgage crisis began rocking Main Street and Wall Street, a top FBI official made a chilling, if little-noticed, prediction: The booming mortgage business, fueled by low interest rates and soaring home values, was starting to attract shady operators and billions in losses were possible.
"It has the potential to be an epidemic," Chris Swecker, the FBI official in charge of criminal investigations, told reporters in September 2004. But, he added reassuringly, the FBI was on the case. "We think we can prevent a problem that could have as much impact as the S&L crisis," he said.
Today, the damage from the global mortgage meltdown has more than matched that of the savings-and-loan bailouts of the 1980s and early 1990s. By some estimates, it has made that costly debacle look like chump change. But it's also clear that the FBI failed to avert a problem it had accurately forecast.
Banks and brokerages have written down more than $300 billion of mortgage-backed securities and other risky investments in the last year or so as homeowner defaults leaped and weakness in the real estate market spread.
SNIP
Most observers have declared the mess a gross failure of regulation. To be sure, in the run-up to the crisis, market-oriented federal regulators bragged about their hands-off treatment of banks and other savings institutions and their executives. But it wasn't just regulators who were looking the other way. The FBI and its parent agency, the Justice Department, are supposed to act as the cops on the beat for potentially illegal activities by bankers and others. But they were focused on national security and other priorities, and paid scant attention to white-collar crimes that may have contributed to the lending and securities debacle.
Now that the problems are out in the open, the government's response strikes some veteran regulators as too little, too late.
Swecker, who retired from the FBI in 2006, declined to comment for this article.
But sources familiar with the FBI budget process, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the growing fraud problem, say that he and other FBI criminal investigators sought additional assistance to take on the mortgage scoundrels.
They ended up with fewer resources, rather than more.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mortgagefraud25-2008aug25,0,6946937.story
We were warned and nothing happened.
Repeat: And nothing happened.
They must think We the People are really stupid. Are we supposed to believe that all that $700 billion in bad debt just happened? Where did all that money go? Who got all the money?
Meyer Lansky moved the Mafias money from the Cuban casinos to Switzerland. He did so by buying a bank in Miami. Phil Gramm seems to have done the same thing as vice-chairman of UBS, except the amounts are in the billions.
Who cares? Hes almost gone? Nope. That money still exists somewhere. I have a pretty good idea of where it might be. And George Bush and his cronies are poised to get away with a whole lot of loot.
Who Should Pay for the Bailout
If you are fortunate enough to be one, good luck American taxpayer! Youre in for a royal fleecing. Once the interest is figured into the bailout, were looking at a couple of trill.
The people who should pay for the bailout arent the American people. That distinction should go to the crooks who stole it -- friends of Gramm like John McCain and George Bush and the rest of the Raygunomix crowd of snake-oil salesmen. For them, the Bush administration -- and a good chunk of time since Ronald Reagan -- has not been a disaster. Its been a cash cow.
The above was posted on DU on Sept. 21, 2008. (Check out the responses, lots of info from DUers.) What's changed since then? Nothing near what We the People interested in Justice would have hoped for, certainly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4055207
Most importantly: Thank you for the kind words. Feel the exact same towards you and all great DUers, NBachers, fighting the good fight.
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I tried to warn those around me of these sleezy low grade criminals, I was ridiculed
AuntPatsy
Jul 2015
#14
And in fact one of the things I have noticed on MSNBC is that they are doing exactly that. If they
jwirr
Jul 2015
#98
You are trying to smear him for defending justice. He clearly is not defending Mr. Cosby.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#57
Smear him? His hypocrisy on Cosby versus pronouncing the BFEE guilty is staggering
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#62
I'll bet if we did searches we would find hundreds of examples when he accused folks of things
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#192
How many more do you need? We have already mentioned Bush, Cheney and the BFEE. Isn't that enough?
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#210
This is the kind of debater you are. Half a dozen to a dozen of us have provided you several
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#218
Oh yes, he is, and he is asserting a standard he never applies elsewhere. It's obvious.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#91
Thank you, marym625. Looking back, I admire the overall work as a most splendid smear.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#26
Well said sir. You, and those that speak the truth will always be a target.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#67
Hail Bartcop Hail Octafish If the world was fair Joni Ernst would be folding breadbags this summer.
IADEMO2004
Jul 2015
#6
Thanks to the alerter for the explanation and the indication of a big problem
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#54
The whole S&L crisis and Neil Bush's role in it has been allowed to drop into the memory hole!
LongTomH
Jul 2015
#116
JEB's own role in the S&L thing was overshadowed, if possible, by SILVERADO Neil.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#139
And he didn't directly address the issue that this OP is really about. The OP is manipulation
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#56
You claim Foley is guilty- but that statute of limitations ran out too. Same shit, different story
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#170
And with his response to you, down you go down the rabbit hole. He's even telling you what you
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#120
OMG, and he did it to Sid just above. Exactly the kind of crap I said he does.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#81
Yes, of course that's what my comment means. Strawman much? Actually calling that a strawman is
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#83
Right. Like 'taking some piece of what the person actually said and twisting it' isn't what you did.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#88
Nope, and several other folks agreed that is the upshot of what you wrote. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#89
'Make the comparison between his positions on Cosby and the BFEE and he accuses you of supporting...
Octafish
Jul 2015
#92
Here, you accused me of supporting the BFEE. "Stick with the BFEE Stevenleser"
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#94
Yeah. Like where I've asked you up and down this thread to show where I'm wrong.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#274
Repeating the same strawman over and over doesn't make it correct, stevenleser.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#78
This OP and the links I provided where folks can read the other comments is all the evidence I need.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#79
How VP Poppy Bush of CIA got real big when Pruneface Raygun was ''Head Honcho''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#95
You're one of the most right-on DU'ers of all. I treasure your posts, and the knowlege behind them.
NBachers
Jul 2015
#19
Ha I have connections to both Bushes and Smedly Butler (my Grandfather met and admired him).
gordianot
Jul 2015
#27
My kids never heard of Butler from school before 2004, I made sure they did.
gordianot
Jul 2015
#103
Odd my relative met his cousin Bush on his Grandfathers oil field in Kansas.
gordianot
Jul 2015
#183
Some never get the opportunity. Remember GOP US Attorney John David R. Atchison?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#141
I remember the case being posted here, and the Repubs being upset about it being their team again
Hydra
Jul 2015
#187
A lot of them settled in Huntsville, helping the Army build rockets, boosters, and what-all.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#194
There's a lot of child preadators and serial adulterers popping up in the GOP lately.
Initech
Jul 2015
#37
Strange how quickly the 'media' forget. Remember that nice juvie Judge in business with the prisons?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#206
The Machine: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda vs Freedom & Liberty
Octafish
Jul 2015
#200
BFEE judge Silberman compared people who say ''Bush lied America into war'' to NAZIs.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#203
Bush gave coin to Goldstar mother and said: ''Don't go selling it on e-Bay.''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#289
Key to present day: Secret Service didn't like African Americans in 1963. Ask Agent Abraham Bolden.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#295
Post on, My Friend, post on! The BFEE and their sycophants are endemic of the fetid rot that...
Raster
Jul 2015
#72
''No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money.'' -- Dr. Samuel Johnson.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#304
That's a sign, an inability to focus on the point and a talent to promote the freak show.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#305
Exactly. Par from the course with him. And debates with him are like going down the rabbit hole
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#101
I've got your back, and I always will. A small handful of dead-enders can make lots of noise.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#127
Of course it's a conspiracy, using position and power to enrich one's cronies.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#138
LOL! Anything to say about what I actually wrote -- on this thread or anywhere?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#143
When you figure it out let me know. I've been down the rabbit hole with him on this for two days now
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#146
Justice demands prosecution of traitors, war criminals, mass murderers, war profiteers and thieves.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#162
apparently serial rapists are easy to ignore- women don't rate as important enough to get justice
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#176
Exactly- Octafish gets to judge who is criminal- the rest of us should STFU. Unless we agree!
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#175
you posted about Foley - crimes not found- as guilty but just cannot say it about Cosby, LOL....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#179
'Florida closes Foley investigation without charges" so by your Cosby standards, also innocent.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#185
As is the much testimony against Cosby, his lies and confession of employing drugs.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#201
And note he wrote "Unlike you" accusing you of not finding the evidence against Foley compelling
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#212
Yeah, most of his replies have nothing to do with his dislike of calling Cos a rapist.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#213
And he again asked upthread to provide examples of when he has accused other people of stuff
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#215
Lol, anything to deflect how he is basically a traitor to womankind. Society deserves protection....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#216
So now I'm a ''traitor to womankind''? Nice smear, bettyellen. Guess that's the best you can do...
Octafish
Jul 2015
#229
And we can't get through to him. He uses all these weird defense mechanisms instead of listening.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#243
I though Foley's case had "no criminal finding" so he's no more guilty than your BFF, Cosby....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#165
Florida dropped the case on grounds of ''insufficient evidence'' meaning GOP Congress covered up.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#181
LOL, and no one covered for Cosby. Sounds like two innocent lambs with conspiracy theories
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#186
No one accused you or "covering it up"? WTF? He wasn't found guilty- so he's not guilty according to your
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#193
Octafish, I love you. You obviously care enough to dig deep and hard towards
AikidoSoul
Jul 2015
#167
nope, you have that exactly backwards. His hypocrisy on Bill Cosby is somehow OK because he hates
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#220
I'm not a Fox employee. So I can say anything I want. And we have proved you wrong dozens of times
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#225
You want me to publicly speculate on a nonexistent job offer? Yeah, that would be a good idea.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#233
Nope, there are half a dozen of us pointing out the same thing, so its not me. Nice try though. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#227
There are no Fox News Contributors on DU. At least none that I am aware of. There are guests
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#214
By the way, am permalinking and sending this to my journal for reference to your ad hominems
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#228
So those screen grabs are of someone with the same name as you who looks like you 3 times?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#265
At least you've now moved the goalposts to where you are not accusing me of being an employee
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#281
Oh and in other words, you are accusing me of something here, but can't accuse Cosby.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#251
Lol, right? Jumping right into a conflict with another DUer isn't remotely suspicious
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#268
Yes, Dennis is a contributor, a paid employee of that network. I'm just a guest. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#237
And I and every other Democrat on this site agrees that Bush is a lying, asshole
BainsBane
Jul 2015
#248
They don't care about the women, like you said its a game to them about personalities on DU.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#246
I did a big piece on rape culture in 2013 with Marcotte and I should show you the stats on that show
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#250