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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
115. One Morn' in Sherwood Forest...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jul 2015


Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

The Sting

In the best rip-off, the mark never knows that he or she was set up for fleecing.
In the case of the great financial meltdown of 2008, the victim is the U.S. taxpayer.
Going by the lack of analysis in Corporate McPravda, We the People are in for a royal fleecing.



Don’t just take my word about the current situation between giant criminality and the politically connected.

[font color="green"][font size="5"]You see, there is evidence of conspiracy. An honest FBI agent warned us in 2004 about the coming financial meltdown and the powers-that-be stiffed him, too.[/font size][/font color]

The story’s below. And it’s not fiction. It is true to life.



The Set-Up

You don’t have to be a fan of Paul Newman or Robert Redford to smell a BFEE rat. The oily critter’s name is Gramm. Phil Gramm. He helped Ronald Reagan push through his trickle-down fiscal policy and later helped de-regulate the nation's once-healthy Saving & Loan industry. We all know how well that worked out: Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation’s S&Ls for Power and Profit.

In 1999, then-super conservative Texas U.S. Senator Gramm helped pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act. This law allowed banks to act like investment houses. Using federally-guaranteed savings accounts, banks now could make risky commercial and real-estate loans.

The law should’ve been called the Gramm-Lansky Act. To those who gave a damn, it was obviously a potential disaster. During the bill’s debate, the specter of a “taxpayer bail-out” was raised by Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, warning about what had happened to the deregulated S&Ls.

Gramm wasn’t alone on the deregulation bandwagon. The law passed, IIRC, like 89-9. More than a few of my own Democratic faves went along with this deregulation, “get-government-off-the-back-of-business” law.

Today we have their love child, MOAB—for the Mother Of All Bailouts.


The Mark

In a sting, someone has to supply the money to be ripped off. Crooks call that person the mark or target or mope. In the present case, that’s the U.S. taxpayer.

Today’s financial crisis seems like a re-run of what happened to the Savings & Loans industry in the late 1980s. Well it is a lot like what happened to the S&Ls. Then, as now, it’s the U.S. taxpayer who gets to pick up the tab for someone else’s party.

Don’t worry, U.S. taxpayer. You’re getting something (among several things) for your $700 billion. You’re getting all the bad mortgage-based paper on almost all of Wall Street. I’d rather have penny stocks, because if there ever was something of negative value it’s the complicated notes and derivatives based on this mortgage debt.



When it comes to Bush economic policy, left holding the bag are We the People, er, Mopes. Don’t worry, it can’t get worse. As St. Ronnie would say, “Well. Yes.” You see, what the bag U.S. taxpayers hold is less than empty. It’s filled with bad debt.


The Mastermind

Chief economist amongst these merry band of thieves and traitors was one Phil Gramm (once a conservative Democrat and then an ultraconservative Republican-Taxus). An economist by training and reputation, Gramm was one of the guiding lights of Reaganomics, the cut taxes, domestic spending, and regulations while raising defense-spending to new heights. In sum, it was a fiscal policy to enrich friends – especially the kind connected to the BFEE.




Foreclosure Phil

Years before Phil Gramm was a McCain campaign adviser and a lobbyist for a Swiss bank at the center of the housing credit crisis, he pulled a sly maneuver in the Senate that helped create today's subprime meltdown.


David Corn
MotherJones.com
May 28, 2008

Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time? There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly. Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm cochairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure.

Gramm's long been a handmaiden to Big Finance. In the 1990s, as chairman of the Senate banking committee, he routinely turned down Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt's requests for more money to police Wall Street; during this period, the sec's workload shot up 80 percent, but its staff grew only 20 percent. Gramm also opposed an sec rule that would have prohibited accounting firms from getting too close to the companies they audited—at one point, according to Levitt's memoir, he warned the sec chairman that if the commission adopted the rule, its funding would be cut. And in 1999, Gramm pushed through a historic banking deregulation bill that decimated Depression-era firewalls between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firms—setting off a wave of merger mania.

But Gramm's most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry—friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career—came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead—even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. "Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it," says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history.

It's not exactly like Gramm hid his handiwork—far from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act's inclusion into the must-pass budget package. But only an expert, or a lobbyist, could have followed what Gramm was saying. The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swaps—and would thus "protect financial institutions from overregulation" and "position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century."

Subprime 1-2-3

Don't understand credit default swaps? Don't worry—neither does Congress. Herewith, a step-by-step outline of the subprime risk betting game. —Casey Miner

CONTINUED…

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclo...




A fine mind for modern Bushonomics. Kill the middle class. Then, rob from the poor to give to the rich.

The Mentor



Anyone who’s ever heard him talk knows that Gramm must’ve learned all this stuff from somebody. He could never think it all up on his own. He had to have help. That’s where Meyer Lansky, the man who brought modern finance to the Mafia, comes in.



Money Laundering

Answers.com


EXCERPT...

History

Modern development


The act of "money laundering" was not invented during the Prohibition era in the United States, but many techniques were developed and refined then. Many methods were devised to disguise the origins of money generated by the sale of then-illegal alcoholic beverages. Following Al Capone's 1931 conviction for tax evasion, mobster Meyer Lansky transferred funds from Florida "carpet joints" (small casinos) to accounts overseas. After the 1934 Swiss Banking Act, which created the principle of bank secrecy, Meyer Lansky bought a Swiss bank to which he would transfer his illegal funds through a complex system of shell companies, holding companies, and offshore accounts.(1)

The term "money laundering" does not derive, as is often said, from Al Capone having used laundromats to hide ill-gotten gains. It was Meyer Lansky who perfected money laundering's older brother, "capital flight," transferring his funds to Switzerland and other offshore places. The first reference to the term "money laundering" itself actually appears during the Watergate scandal. US President Richard Nixon's "Committee to Re-elect the President" moved illegal campaign contributions to Mexico, then brought the money back through a company in Miami. It was Britain's Guardian newspaper that coined the term, referring to the process as "laundering.&quot 3)


Process

Money laundering is often described as occurring in three stages: placement, layering, and integration.(3)

Placement: refers to the initial point of entry for funds derived from criminal activities.

Layering: refers to the creation of complex networks of transactions which attempt to obscure the link between the initial entry point, and the end of the laundering cycle.

Integration: refers to the return of funds to the legitimate economy for later extraction.

However, The Anti Money Laundering Network recommends the terms

Hide: to reflect the fact that cash is often introduced to the economy via commercial concerns which may knowingly or not knowingly be part of the laundering scheme, and it is these which ultimately prove to be the interface between the criminal and the financial sector

Move: clearly explains that the money launderer uses transfers, sales and purchase of assets, and changes the shape and size of the lump of money so as to obfuscate the trail between money and crime or money and criminal.

Invest: the criminal spends the money: he/she may invest it in assets, or in his/her lifestyle.

CONTINUED...

http://www.answers.com/topic/money-laundering



The great journalist Lucy Komisar has shone a big light on the subject:



Offshore Banking

The U.S.A.’s Secret Threat


Lucy Komisar
The Blacklisted Journalist
June 1, 2003

EXCERPT…

In 1932, mobster Meyer Lansky took money from New Orleans slot machines and shifted it to accounts overseas. The Swiss secrecy law two years later assured him of G-man-proof banking. Later, he bought a Swiss bank and for years deposited his Havana casino take in Miami accounts, then wired the funds to Switzerland via a network of shell and holding companies and offshore accounts, some of them in banks whose officials knew very well they were working for criminals. By the 1950s, Lansky was using the system for cash from the heroin trade.

Today, offshore is where most of the world's drug money is laundered, estimated at up to $500 billion a year, more than the total income of the world's poorest 20 percent. Add the proceeds of tax evasion and the figure skyrockets to $1 trillion. Another few hundred billion come from fraud and corruption.

Lansky laundered money so he could pay taxes and legitimate his spoils. About half the users of offshore have opposite goals. As hotel owner and tax cheat Leona Helmsley said---according to her former housekeeper during Helmsley's trial for tax evasion---"Only the little people pay taxes." Rich individuals and corporations avoid taxes through complex, accountant-aided schemes that routinely use offshore accounts and companies to hide income and manufacture deductions.

The impact is massive. The IRS estimates that taxpayers fail to pay in excess of $100 billion in taxes annually due on income from legal sources. The General Accounting Office says that American wage-earners report 97 percent of their wages, while self-employed persons report just 11 percent of theirs. Each year between 1989 and 1995, a majority of corporations, both foreign- and U.S.-controlled, paid no U.S. income tax. European governments are fighting the same problem. The situation is even worse in developing countries.

The issue surfaces in the press when an accounting scam is so outrageous that it strains credulity. Take the case of Stanley Works, which announced a "move" of its headquarters-on paper-from New Britain, Connecticut, to Bermuda and of its imaginary management to Barbados. Though its building and staff would actually stay put, manufacturing hammers and wrenches, Stanley Works would no longer pay taxes on profits from international trade. The Securities and Exchange Commission, run by Harvey Pitt---an attorney who for more than twenty years represented the top accounting and Wall Street firms he was regulating---accepted the pretense as legal.

"The whole business is a sham," fumed New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, who more than any other U.S. law enforcer has attacked the offshore system. "The headquarters will be in a country where that company is not permitted to do business. They're saying a company is managed in Barbados when there's one meeting there a year. In the prospectus, they say legally controlled and managed in Barbados. If they took out the word legally, it would be a fraud. But Barbadian law says it's legal, so it's legal." The conceit apparently also persuaded the Securities and Exchange Commission.

CONTINUED…

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column92e.html



Socialize the risk for Wall Street. Privatize the loss to Uncle Sam’s nieces and nephews. Congratulations, Dear Reader! Now you know as much as Phil Gramm.

The Diversion

Still, a global financial meltdown sounds like something bad. Making things worse, we’re hearing that Uncle Sam is broke! Flat busted. Tapped out.

That’s odd, though. We the People see the Treasury being emptied with tax breaks for the wealthy and checks to the companies they own that make money off of war. Want to know how to make a buck these days? Invest in the likes of Halliburton and Northrup Grumman. Anything in the warmongering business connected to Bush and his cronies will weather the downturn or depression.

The Wall Street Journal -- a paper owned and operated by Fox News’ head, Rupert Murdoch – was very quick to promote the crisis, as DUer JustPlainKathy observed. The paper was even faster to pounce on a solution: What’s needed is a safety net for banks. And quick as a wink, they found the answer!
Only the U.S. taxpayer has the wherewithal to prevent the collapse of the global financial system -- a global economic meltdown that would freeze up credit and investment and expansion and prosperity and a return to the Great Depression. Who can be against that?

Oh. Kay. Sounds about right – Rupert the Alien agreeing with what Leona Helmsley said: “Only the little people pay taxes.”



Gramm and McCain also are in favor of privatization. How nice is that?

The Getaway

George Walker Bush and his right-wing pals feel they can get away with this, their latest rip-off the American taxpayers. Who can blame them? When compared to their clear record of incompetence, lies, fraud, theft, mass-murder, warmongering and treason, what’s a few trillion dollar rip-off?



Still, it's weird how they act.
They must really think they’ll be welcomed with open arms in Paraguay and Dubai and Switzerland.
Going by the welcome the world gave the Shah of Iran, they’re in for a big surprise.

The FBI Guy

Don’t say we weren’t warned. An intrepid FBI agent with something sorely lacking in the rest of the Bush administration, integrity, blew the whistle on the bank thing…



FBI saw threat of mortgage crisis

A top official warned of widening loan fraud in 2004, but the agency focused its resources elsewhere.

By Richard B. Schmitt
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

August 25, 2008

WASHINGTON — Long before the mortgage crisis began rocking Main Street and Wall Street, a top FBI official made a chilling, if little-noticed, prediction: The booming mortgage business, fueled by low interest rates and soaring home values, was starting to attract shady operators and billions in losses were possible.

"It has the potential to be an epidemic," Chris Swecker, the FBI official in charge of criminal investigations, told reporters in September 2004. But, he added reassuringly, the FBI was on the case. "We think we can prevent a problem that could have as much impact as the S&L crisis," he said.

Today, the damage from the global mortgage meltdown has more than matched that of the savings-and-loan bailouts of the 1980s and early 1990s. By some estimates, it has made that costly debacle look like chump change. But it's also clear that the FBI failed to avert a problem it had accurately forecast.

Banks and brokerages have written down more than $300 billion of mortgage-backed securities and other risky investments in the last year or so as homeowner defaults leaped and weakness in the real estate market spread.

SNIP…

Most observers have declared the mess a gross failure of regulation. To be sure, in the run-up to the crisis, market-oriented federal regulators bragged about their hands-off treatment of banks and other savings institutions and their executives. But it wasn't just regulators who were looking the other way. The FBI and its parent agency, the Justice Department, are supposed to act as the cops on the beat for potentially illegal activities by bankers and others. But they were focused on national security and other priorities, and paid scant attention to white-collar crimes that may have contributed to the lending and securities debacle.

Now that the problems are out in the open, the government's response strikes some veteran regulators as too little, too late.

Swecker, who retired from the FBI in 2006, declined to comment for this article.

But sources familiar with the FBI budget process, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the growing fraud problem, say that he and other FBI criminal investigators sought additional assistance to take on the mortgage scoundrels.

They ended up with fewer resources, rather than more.

CONTINUED…

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mortgagefraud25-2008aug25,0,6946937.story



We were warned and nothing happened.

Repeat: And nothing happened.

They must think We the People are really stupid. Are we supposed to believe that all that $700 billion in bad debt just happened? Where did all that money go? Who got all the money?

Meyer Lansky moved the Mafia’s money from the Cuban casinos to Switzerland. He did so by buying a bank in Miami. Phil Gramm seems to have done the same thing as vice-chairman of UBS, except the amounts are in the billions.

Who cares? He’s almost gone? Nope. That money still exists somewhere. I have a pretty good idea of where it might be. And George Bush and his cronies are poised to get away with a whole lot of loot.


Who Should Pay for the Bailout

If you are fortunate enough to be one, good luck American taxpayer! You’re in for a royal fleecing. Once the interest is figured into the bailout, we’re looking at a couple of trill.

The people who should pay for the bailout aren’t the American people. That distinction should go to the crooks who stole it -- friends of Gramm like John McCain and George Bush and the rest of the Raygunomix crowd of snake-oil salesmen. For them, the Bush administration -- and a good chunk of time since Ronald Reagan -- has not been a disaster. It’s been a cash cow.

The above was posted on DU on Sept. 21, 2008. (Check out the responses, lots of info from DUers.) What's changed since then? Nothing near what We the People interested in Justice would have hoped for, certainly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4055207

Most importantly: Thank you for the kind words. Feel the exact same towards you and all great DUers, NBachers, fighting the good fight.

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BFEE Just Us [View all] Octafish Jul 2015 OP
Sick bastards! Kicking AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #1
It's been a long, long run of helping the Have-Mores become the Have-Most. Octafish Jul 2015 #5
I may not always reply madokie Jul 2015 #7
+1 think Jul 2015 #9
Abso-fvcking-lutely. blm Jul 2015 #85
yes G_j Jul 2015 #241
I tried to warn those around me of these sleezy low grade criminals, I was ridiculed AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #14
your MS Word files must be sorted by greatness snooper2 Jul 2015 #2
Key Word Octafish Jul 2015 #8
k&r questionseverything Jul 2015 #104
You keep on telling it like it is. I'll have your back. shraby Jul 2015 #3
Online Covert Actions Octafish Jul 2015 #16
I'm sorry marym625 Jul 2015 #4
He is one of the folks defending Cosby on the basis of "never convicted" stevenleser Jul 2015 #22
I defended the right to be innocent until proven guilty. Octafish Jul 2015 #29
And in fact one of the things I have noticed on MSNBC is that they are doing exactly that. If they jwirr Jul 2015 #98
Um, if Cosby hsn't been proven guilty, then why... Nitram Jul 2015 #102
Uh, because I think even the worst of the BFEE also deserve a fair trial. Octafish Jul 2015 #208
I don't think anyone has said Cosby doesn't deserve a trial. Nitram Jul 2015 #211
You are trying to smear him for defending justice. He clearly is not defending Mr. Cosby. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #57
Smear him? His hypocrisy on Cosby versus pronouncing the BFEE guilty is staggering stevenleser Jul 2015 #62
I thought Foley was never convicted? Isn't he as innocent as a lamb too? bettyellen Jul 2015 #166
I'll bet if we did searches we would find hundreds of examples when he accused folks of things stevenleser Jul 2015 #192
Then GOOGLE and show, stevenleser. Octafish Jul 2015 #205
How many more do you need? We have already mentioned Bush, Cheney and the BFEE. Isn't that enough? stevenleser Jul 2015 #210
So, you've got nothing. Octafish Jul 2015 #217
This is the kind of debater you are. Half a dozen to a dozen of us have provided you several stevenleser Jul 2015 #218
It's a simple question: ''Show where I am wrong.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #236
He is NOT defending Cosby, Steven tkmorris Jul 2015 #90
Oh yes, he is, and he is asserting a standard he never applies elsewhere. It's obvious. stevenleser Jul 2015 #91
he applied a whole other standard of judgment toward Cosby..... bettyellen Jul 2015 #169
Thank you, marym625. Looking back, I admire the overall work as a most splendid smear. Octafish Jul 2015 #26
Well said sir. You, and those that speak the truth will always be a target. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #67
yep nt G_j Jul 2015 #209
Mocking is a tactic used rhett o rick Jul 2015 #68
this post cannot be heaven05 Jul 2015 #113
Hail Bartcop Hail Octafish If the world was fair Joni Ernst would be folding breadbags this summer. IADEMO2004 Jul 2015 #6
The Tea Party's Endgame Octafish Jul 2015 #58
Don't sweat it Octa whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #10
Jury results.......... nc4bo Jul 2015 #20
hahaha` grasswire Jul 2015 #24
This session has been called to resolve a troubling matter. Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #36
well done jury!!! navarth Jul 2015 #42
Thanks to the alerter for the explanation and the indication of a big problem rhett o rick Jul 2015 #54
At this point Nevernose Jul 2015 #153
A 3-4. I see. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #61
Democracy needs treat all the same under the law. What group gets ahead? Octafish Jul 2015 #65
Kick in solidarity nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #11
The CIA Role in the Savings & Loan Crisis Octafish Jul 2015 #69
The whole S&L crisis and Neil Bush's role in it has been allowed to drop into the memory hole! LongTomH Jul 2015 #116
JEB's own role in the S&L thing was overshadowed, if possible, by SILVERADO Neil. Octafish Jul 2015 #139
Kick. madfloridian Jul 2015 #12
The CIA: Banking on Intelligence Octafish Jul 2015 #71
And recommend nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #13
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K & huge fucking R CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #15
NSA docs contradict Bush Jr 9/11 claims Octafish Jul 2015 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #131
Excellent. Thank you Octafish CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #140
I think the point was that serial rapists are also disdainful BainsBane Jul 2015 #17
Yep. And the analogy is a good one. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #23
Yeah, pretty simple. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #43
And he didn't directly address the issue that this OP is really about. The OP is manipulation stevenleser Jul 2015 #56
Yup... SidDithers Jul 2015 #66
I've asked you over the years to show where I'm wrong about the BFEE. Octafish Jul 2015 #77
The criticism is about your response to Bill Cosby, not Bush BainsBane Jul 2015 #106
No, not really, BainsBane. Octafish Jul 2015 #119
What was the topic of the thread you were in where it was raised? BainsBane Jul 2015 #121
''Whoopi is still saying Cosby innocent until proven guilty'' Octafish Jul 2015 #124
You are correct that he LEGALLLY has not been found guilty BainsBane Jul 2015 #132
Then why make a big deal of what I didn't say? Octafish Jul 2015 #137
You chose to write an OP BainsBane Jul 2015 #151
You claim Foley is guilty- but that statute of limitations ran out too. Same shit, different story bettyellen Jul 2015 #170
And with his response to you, down you go down the rabbit hole. He's even telling you what you stevenleser Jul 2015 #120
Please show where I wrote any of that. Octafish Jul 2015 #123
I am genuinely puzzled by the double standard. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #73
This is what I have come to expect from discussions with that person stevenleser Jul 2015 #75
OMG, and he did it to Sid just above. Exactly the kind of crap I said he does. stevenleser Jul 2015 #81
So now I can't reply on my own thread? Octafish Jul 2015 #82
Yes, of course that's what my comment means. Strawman much? Actually calling that a strawman is stevenleser Jul 2015 #83
Right. Like 'taking some piece of what the person actually said and twisting it' isn't what you did. Octafish Jul 2015 #88
Nope, and several other folks agreed that is the upshot of what you wrote. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #89
'Make the comparison between his positions on Cosby and the BFEE and he accuses you of supporting... Octafish Jul 2015 #92
Here, you accused me of supporting the BFEE. "Stick with the BFEE Stevenleser" stevenleser Jul 2015 #94
Because that was the subject of the post? Octafish Jul 2015 #97
Explain to me why you think a serial rapist with 48 complaints BainsBane Jul 2015 #108
Hoist on his own whatchamacallit! bettyellen Jul 2015 #173
Over 24 hours later and the response to you is <crickets> stevenleser Jul 2015 #252
Yeah. Like where I've asked you up and down this thread to show where I'm wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #274
I've shown you. Bainsbane has shown you, BettyEllen has shown you stevenleser Jul 2015 #275
Yup. zappaman Jul 2015 #277
Repeating the same strawman over and over doesn't make it correct, stevenleser. Octafish Jul 2015 #78
This OP and the links I provided where folks can read the other comments is all the evidence I need. stevenleser Jul 2015 #79
No. The Point Is JUSTICE. Octafish Jul 2015 #148
Justice indeed BainsBane Jul 2015 #152
I didn't know I had to write what you wanted me to write. Octafish Jul 2015 #154
I asked you questions, which you consistently refuse to answer BainsBane Jul 2015 #155
Not really, when you look at what I wrote and what you asked. Octafish Jul 2015 #157
Interested in discussion? BainsBane Jul 2015 #158
Dude... OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #18
How VP Poppy Bush of CIA got real big when Pruneface Raygun was ''Head Honcho'' Octafish Jul 2015 #95
You're one of the most right-on DU'ers of all. I treasure your posts, and the knowlege behind them. NBachers Jul 2015 #19
One Morn' in Sherwood Forest... Octafish Jul 2015 #115
The all American fascist family. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #21
Experts Agree! Octafish Jul 2015 #122
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #25
Is David Petraeus Dirty? Ted Westhusing Said So, and Then He Shot Himself. Octafish Jul 2015 #130
Yes She Does... Thank You For That !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #136
Ha I have connections to both Bushes and Smedly Butler (my Grandfather met and admired him). gordianot Jul 2015 #27
Smedley Butler is STILL considered a real hero to jomin41 Jul 2015 #87
My kids never heard of Butler from school before 2004, I made sure they did. gordianot Jul 2015 #103
Glad you are. Great family and a great family name, Bush. Octafish Jul 2015 #161
Odd my relative met his cousin Bush on his Grandfathers oil field in Kansas. gordianot Jul 2015 #183
k and r and bookmarking for later reading. niyad Jul 2015 #28
Remember how Rove really liked to fire and promote US Attorneys? Octafish Jul 2015 #168
oh, how well I remember (and wish I could forget) old turd blossom. niyad Jul 2015 #171
Too many don't know what they've done to the country and to Don Siegelman. Octafish Jul 2015 #177
there are days I don't think we can ever set things right. niyad Jul 2015 #180
The way the playing field is currently laid out, no. Octafish Jul 2015 #184
Octafish, you're one of the reasons I still send people to DU. canoeist52 Jul 2015 #30
The Bush dynasty and the Cuban criminals Octafish Jul 2015 #188
I would never mock you for your post. SoapBox Jul 2015 #31
Mark Lombardi knew Bush-Bath-bin-Laden connection in 1999. Octafish Jul 2015 #189
Keep it up. Too many want to whitewash the past and "move-on". jalan48 Jul 2015 #32
The Rise of a ‘Democratic’ Fascism Octafish Jul 2015 #190
The day you get drummed out of here, is the day this Cleita Jul 2015 #33
+100000000 nashville_brook Jul 2015 #39
I think Cosby is a creepy rapist Hydra Jul 2015 #34
Some never get the opportunity. Remember GOP US Attorney John David R. Atchison? Octafish Jul 2015 #141
I remember the case being posted here, and the Repubs being upset about it being their team again Hydra Jul 2015 #187
A lot of them settled in Huntsville, helping the Army build rockets, boosters, and what-all. Octafish Jul 2015 #194
Keep 'em coming!!! malaise Jul 2015 #35
NONE of this is old news, malaise. Especially to those touched by BFEE. Octafish Jul 2015 #197
There's a lot of child preadators and serial adulterers popping up in the GOP lately. Initech Jul 2015 #37
What to those who kill millions for oil and gold is abusing a child? Octafish Jul 2015 #198
I remember when the Sandusky scandal broke. Initech Jul 2015 #204
Strange how quickly the 'media' forget. Remember that nice juvie Judge in business with the prisons? Octafish Jul 2015 #206
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2015 #38
Poppy Bush Strikes Gold! Octafish Jul 2015 #199
You're quite welcome Octafish... 2naSalit Jul 2015 #300
strange days. thank you for the work you do! nashville_brook Jul 2015 #40
The Machine: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda vs Freedom & Liberty Octafish Jul 2015 #200
You're one of the few out there always worth reading. rwsanders Jul 2015 #41
BFEE judge Silberman compared people who say ''Bush lied America into war'' to NAZIs. Octafish Jul 2015 #203
K&R&bookmark. JEB Jul 2015 #44
Banksters plus secret inside information is Wall Street on the Potomac. Octafish Jul 2015 #242
Same here RobertEarl Jul 2015 #45
That is all I want. Octafish Jul 2015 #256
Thanks, Octafish. Love your posts, and this one was no exception. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #46
BFEE think they're above the law, which is different than just breaking it. Octafish Jul 2015 #257
Well done! Duppers Jul 2015 #47
You made my day, 5-4. Octafish Jul 2015 #258
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #48
You gotta go BFEE to get along in Iraq. Look who they sent to run the war. Octafish Jul 2015 #259
I only wish we could get justice. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #270
BRAVO! BRAVO! ........and is Bush... Hotler Jul 2015 #49
That is the fake journalist Jeff Gannon aka The Cannon, on-call 24/7. Octafish Jul 2015 #269
There is a movie out about Johnny Gosh aka Jeff Gannon. Hotler Jul 2015 #288
KnR! Looky here... Holly_Hobby Jul 2015 #50
Bush gave coin to Goldstar mother and said: ''Don't go selling it on e-Bay.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #289
The entire family reeks of Psychopathy on steroids Holly_Hobby Jul 2015 #291
* ''No WMDs here.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #292
Family and friends... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #51
I see what you did there. .... nc4bo Jul 2015 #53
Hard to tell who's spying on whom in that shot. Octafish Jul 2015 #290
Just another tool looking for their 15 minutes- sent here to distract. notadmblnd Jul 2015 #52
A missing art. Octafish Jul 2015 #293
I have learned so much from your azmom Jul 2015 #55
Key to present day: Secret Service didn't like African Americans in 1963. Ask Agent Abraham Bolden. Octafish Jul 2015 #295
k&r.. jiminey christmas!. . . . .n/t annabanana Jul 2015 #59
Corruption Touched CIA’s Covert Operations Octafish Jul 2015 #296
I wonder Octa.. annabanana Jul 2015 #299
A shot of Chinaco to Bartcop for teaching me about the BFEE corkhead Jul 2015 #60
You know who else Bartcop seemed to enjoy going after, corkhead? Pirates! Octafish Jul 2015 #297
Thank you very much. Bookmarking. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #63
Thank you, SusanCalvin. I agree 100-percent. Octafish Jul 2015 #298
Kickin'....!!!! (eom) CanSocDem Jul 2015 #64
Richard Nixon's Blueprint for the 21st Century US Octafish Jul 2015 #302
Who is mocking? PM me. lonestarnot Jul 2015 #70
Post on, My Friend, post on! The BFEE and their sycophants are endemic of the fetid rot that... Raster Jul 2015 #72
Harold Pinter - Nobel Lecture on Truth, War and the Big Lie Octafish Jul 2015 #303
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #74
I've learned much from this OP but better yet... chknltl Jul 2015 #76
''No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money.'' -- Dr. Samuel Johnson. Octafish Jul 2015 #304
I noticed you never got an answer to your question about Cosby. Rex Jul 2015 #80
That's a sign, an inability to focus on the point and a talent to promote the freak show. Octafish Jul 2015 #305
Salute to my compatriot, Octafish. blm Jul 2015 #84
Dude, that's a bad case of bait-and-switch. How dishonest Android3.14 Jul 2015 #93
Exactly. Par from the course with him. And debates with him are like going down the rabbit hole stevenleser Jul 2015 #101
Yep BainsBane Jul 2015 #109
K&R for one of the best. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #96
Kick. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #99
K & R SalviaBlue Jul 2015 #105
I always bookmark your threads, O-Fish arikara Jul 2015 #107
Illegitimi non carborundum Demeter Jul 2015 #110
I will NEVER mock the truth heaven05 Jul 2015 #111
Hanging's too good for them. hifiguy Jul 2015 #112
K&R Paka Jul 2015 #114
Another K&R Keep posting about the BFEE LongTomH Jul 2015 #117
And let us not forget Marvin Bush... Gumboot Jul 2015 #118
Please. YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #125
I don't want any sympathy. Octafish Jul 2015 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #129
I don't blame you. Here is my reaction... stevenleser Jul 2015 #147
When you don't have an argument, use an emoticon. Octafish Jul 2015 #149
. stevenleser Jul 2015 #150
''Unlike Octafish, I do my homework.'' -- stevenleser of DU Octafish Jul 2015 #156
See post #218 above. That will become a standard response to you. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #219
Your words, stevenleser. Octafish Jul 2015 #254
I've got your back, and I always will. A small handful of dead-enders can make lots of noise. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #127
Kick!!! haikugal Jul 2015 #128
Anywho, a reminder: YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #133
Of course it's a conspiracy, using position and power to enrich one's cronies. Octafish Jul 2015 #138
I do miss his silver hammer. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #134
Keep yer mighty pen a'flowin, Octafish. seafan Jul 2015 #135
So basically ablamj Jul 2015 #142
LOL! Anything to say about what I actually wrote -- on this thread or anywhere? Octafish Jul 2015 #143
i'm trying to figure ablamj Jul 2015 #144
When you figure it out let me know. I've been down the rabbit hole with him on this for two days now stevenleser Jul 2015 #146
I'm sure you're right ablamj Jul 2015 #160
Justice demands prosecution of traitors, war criminals, mass murderers, war profiteers and thieves. Octafish Jul 2015 #162
yes(see post 160) ablamj Jul 2015 #163
Yes I do. Octafish Jul 2015 #164
But do you personally believe ablamj Jul 2015 #172
apparently serial rapists are easy to ignore- women don't rate as important enough to get justice bettyellen Jul 2015 #176
While that may be your point, bettyellen, that's not what I think or wrote. Octafish Jul 2015 #196
Why don't you ablamj Jul 2015 #264
It also demands justice of rapists. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #245
Exactly- Octafish gets to judge who is criminal- the rest of us should STFU. Unless we agree! bettyellen Jul 2015 #175
Show where I've ever posted someone ''to STFU'' bettyellen. Octafish Jul 2015 #178
you posted about Foley - crimes not found- as guilty but just cannot say it about Cosby, LOL.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #179
All sorts of crimes regarding Foley were found. Octafish Jul 2015 #182
'Florida closes Foley investigation without charges" so by your Cosby standards, also innocent. bettyellen Jul 2015 #185
Not at all. Unlike you, Hastert & Boehner, I find the evidence compelling. Octafish Jul 2015 #195
As is the much testimony against Cosby, his lies and confession of employing drugs. bettyellen Jul 2015 #201
And note he wrote "Unlike you" accusing you of not finding the evidence against Foley compelling stevenleser Jul 2015 #212
Yeah, most of his replies have nothing to do with his dislike of calling Cos a rapist. bettyellen Jul 2015 #213
And he again asked upthread to provide examples of when he has accused other people of stuff stevenleser Jul 2015 #215
Lol, anything to deflect how he is basically a traitor to womankind. Society deserves protection.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #216
So now I'm a ''traitor to womankind''? Nice smear, bettyellen. Guess that's the best you can do... Octafish Jul 2015 #229
Another reply that has nothing to do with defending Cosby, LOL. bettyellen Jul 2015 #247
Sadly it is all too common BainsBane Jul 2015 #232
And we can't get through to him. He uses all these weird defense mechanisms instead of listening. stevenleser Jul 2015 #243
''The fact is that posting on DU is not 'fighting fascism''' -- stevenleser Octafish Jul 2015 #301
Keep it up carla Jul 2015 #145
Your Links and DU Posts are a "DU Treasure"..... KoKo Jul 2015 #159
I though Foley's case had "no criminal finding" so he's no more guilty than your BFF, Cosby.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #165
Florida dropped the case on grounds of ''insufficient evidence'' meaning GOP Congress covered up. Octafish Jul 2015 #181
LOL, and no one covered for Cosby. Sounds like two innocent lambs with conspiracy theories bettyellen Jul 2015 #186
Foley was in charge of protecting 'Missing and Exploited Children' Octafish Jul 2015 #191
No one accused you or "covering it up"? WTF? He wasn't found guilty- so he's not guilty according to your bettyellen Jul 2015 #193
Octafish, I love you. You obviously care enough to dig deep and hard towards AikidoSoul Jul 2015 #167
Too many links, just give us poor bastards some drugs ... seveneyes Jul 2015 #174
So…everything you posted about BFEE is wrong because… Bill Cosby? tularetom Jul 2015 #202
nope, you have that exactly backwards. His hypocrisy on Bill Cosby is somehow OK because he hates stevenleser Jul 2015 #220
Does Roger Ailes let you talk about anything related to the BFEE on tee vee? Octafish Jul 2015 #223
I'm not a Fox employee. So I can say anything I want. And we have proved you wrong dozens of times stevenleser Jul 2015 #225
Would you be if they offered you a job? Cleita Jul 2015 #230
You want me to publicly speculate on a nonexistent job offer? Yeah, that would be a good idea. stevenleser Jul 2015 #233
Why such umbrage? Cleita Jul 2015 #239
See Bainbanes #238 below, she says it better than I could stevenleser Jul 2015 #240
Sorry, the hypocrisy isn't apparent from where I'm standing tularetom Jul 2015 #226
Nope, there are half a dozen of us pointing out the same thing, so its not me. Nice try though. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #227
What I find interesting is exactly that tkmorris Jul 2015 #276
No. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #285
Fox News Contributors MoveIt Jul 2015 #207
There are no Fox News Contributors on DU. At least none that I am aware of. There are guests stevenleser Jul 2015 #214
Guest? Octafish Jul 2015 #221
Yes, guest, just like when I have been a guest on RT and elsewhere stevenleser Jul 2015 #224
By the way, am permalinking and sending this to my journal for reference to your ad hominems stevenleser Jul 2015 #228
What ad hominem from me? That's how Fox identified you. Octafish Jul 2015 #234
Nope, they wouldn't and never have, because I am not an employee. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #235
So those screen grabs are of someone with the same name as you who looks like you 3 times? Octafish Jul 2015 #265
Whose name should they have. What part of this don't you understand? Nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #267
You got at least three different job descriptions on FOX television. Octafish Jul 2015 #280
At least you've now moved the goalposts to where you are not accusing me of being an employee stevenleser Jul 2015 #281
Where did I accuse you of anything? Octafish Jul 2015 #286
If you mean that guy from that thing, yeah. Octafish Jul 2015 #222
Oh and in other words, you are accusing me of something here, but can't accuse Cosby. stevenleser Jul 2015 #251
Thanks for the welcome! MoveIt Jul 2015 #260
Welcome to DU. zappaman Jul 2015 #261
Who do you think MoveIt was, zappaman? Octafish Jul 2015 #263
Post #108 is awaiting your response zappaman Jul 2015 #266
Thanks for the reminder. Octafish Jul 2015 #272
You're very welcome, my old friend. zappaman Jul 2015 #273
I didn't know I had to answer to anyone. I'm that way with authority. Octafish Jul 2015 #278
No one said you had to, Brad. zappaman Jul 2015 #279
My name's not Brad, zappaman. It's Octafish. Octafish Jul 2015 #282
Have a great weekend, dude! zappaman Jul 2015 #283
You never did show where I am wrong, zappaman. Octafish Jul 2015 #287
Lol, right? Jumping right into a conflict with another DUer isn't remotely suspicious stevenleser Jul 2015 #268
You noticed that? Octafish Jul 2015 #262
Like Dennis Kucinich? BainsBane Jul 2015 #231
Yes, Dennis is a contributor, a paid employee of that network. I'm just a guest. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #237
That they know this originated from a discussion involving you BainsBane Jul 2015 #238
No. It's about Justice. You must have ''forgotten.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #244
And I and every other Democrat on this site agrees that Bush is a lying, asshole BainsBane Jul 2015 #248
Where did I ''dissemble''? I don't like being called a liar, BainsBane. Octafish Jul 2015 #255
They don't care about the women, like you said its a game to them about personalities on DU. stevenleser Jul 2015 #246
If you want to see someone treated as the enemy BainsBane Jul 2015 #249
I did a big piece on rape culture in 2013 with Marcotte and I should show you the stats on that show stevenleser Jul 2015 #250
You know you see it with coverage of the Runaways too.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #253
As should Rothschild family conspiracy theorists. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #284
Right you are. See for yourself. Octafish Jul 2015 #294
K R & B Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #271
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