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In reply to the discussion: BFEE Just Us [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)203. BFEE judge Silberman compared people who say ''Bush lied America into war'' to NAZIs.

The history shows the guy got a nice career as reward for service to the rightwing, rather than a trial he so richly deserved for treason.
Federal Appeals Judge Compares People Who Say Bush Lied To Rise Of Nazis
A federal appeals judge wrote in a column published on Sunday that people who accuse former President George W. Bush of lying about the Iraq War are peddling myths like those that led to the rise of Hitler.
Laurence H. Silberman, a federal appellate judge appointed by President Ronald Reagan, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that the idea the Bush administration "lied us into Iraq" has gone from "antiwar slogan to journalistic fact."
"It is one thing to assert, then or now, that the Iraq war was ill-advised," he wrote. "It is quite another to make the horrendous charge that President Bush lied to or deceived the American people about the threat from Saddam."
After re-litigating the case for invading Iraq, Silberman wrote that the charge could have "potentially dire consequences."
"I am reminded of a similarly baseless accusation that helped the Nazis come to power in Germany: that the German army had not really lost World War I, that the soldiers instead had been 'stabbed in the back' by politicians," he wrote.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/laurence-silberman-bush-lied-nazis
via kpete: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6201723
Robert Parry in 2009:
Neocon Judge's History of Cover-ups
Laurence Silberman, a U.S. Appeals Court judge and a longtime neoconservative operative part of what the Iran-Contra special prosecutor called the strategic reserves for convicted Reagan administration operatives in the 1980s is back playing a similar role for the Bush-43 administration.
by Robert Parry
ConsortiumNews.com, September 23, 2009
On Sept. 11, the eighth anniversary of the terror attacks on New York and Washington, Silberman issued a 2-to-1 opinion dismissing a lawsuit against the private security firm, CACI International, brought by Iraqi victims of torture and other abuse at Abu Ghraib prison.
Silberman declared that CACI was immune from prosecution because its employees were responding to U.S. military commands. The immunity ruling blocked legal efforts by 212 Iraqis, who suffered directly at Abu Ghraib or were the widows of men who died, to exact some accountability from CACI employees who allegedly assisted in the torture of prisoners.
"During wartime, where a private service contractor is integrated into combatant activities over which the military retains command authority, a tort claim arising out of the contractor's engagement in such activities shall be preempted," Silberman wrote.
But Silberman is not a dispassionate judge when it comes to the crimes of Republicans committed to advance the neocon cause.
In the 1980s, Silberman played behind-the-scenes roles in helping Ronald Reagan gain the White House; he helped formulate hard-line intelligence policies; he encouraged right-wing media attacks on liberals; and he protected the flanks of Reagans operatives who were caught breaking the law.
Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, a Republican himself, counted Silberman as one of "a powerful band of Republican [judicial] appointees [who] waited like the strategic reserves of an embattled army," determined to prevent any judgments against Reagans operatives who broke the law in the arms-for-hostage scandal.
In his 1997 memoir, Firewall, Walsh depicted Silberman as a leader of that partisan band, even recalling how Silberman had berated Judge George MacKinnon, also a Republican, who led the panel which had picked Walsh to be the special prosecutor.
"At a D.C. circuit conference, he [Silberman] had gotten into a shouting match about independent counsel with Judge George MacKinnon," Walsh wrote. "Silberman not only had hostile views but seemed to hold them in anger."
In 1990, after Walsh had secured a difficult conviction of former White House aide Oliver North for offenses stemming from the Iran-Contra scandal, Silberman teamed up with another right-wing judge, David Sentelle, to overturn Norths conviction in a sudden outburst of sympathy for defendant rights.
Trashing Anita Hill
Less publicly, in 1991, Silberman also went to bat for the U.S. Supreme Court nomination of Clarence Thomas, working with right-wing operatives to destroy the reputation of Anita Hill, a former Thomas employee who testified about his crude sexual harassment.
Author David Brock, then a well-paid right-wing hatchet man who published what he later admitted were scurrilous attacks on Hill, described the support and encouragement he received from Silberman and Silbermans wife, Ricky. Even after Thomas had won Senate confirmation, Silberman still was pushing attack lines against Hill, Brock wrote in his book, Blinded by the Right.
While George H.W. Bushs White House slipped Brock a psychiatric opinion that Hill suffered from erotomania, Silberman met with Brock to suggest even more colorful criticism of Hill.
Silberman speculated that Hill was a lesbian acting out, Brock wrote. Besides, Silberman confided, Thomas would never have asked Hill for dates: She had bad breath.
After Brock published a book-length assault on Hill, called The Real Anita Hill, the Silbermans and other prominent conservatives joined a celebration at the Embassy Row Ritz-Carlton, Brock wrote, noting that also in attendance was Judge Sentelle.
But Silbermans anything-goes approach to promoting and protecting right-wing control of the government dated back even further, to his key role as a foreign-policy and intelligence adviser to Ronald Reagans 1980 campaign.
During Campaign 1980, Silberman was a senior figure in what was then a fast-rising neoconservative faction that saw Reagans victory and the defeat of President Jimmy Carter as vital to expand U.S. military power, to confront the Soviet Union aggressively and to relieve pressure on Israel for a peace deal with the Palestinians.
More than a decade later, congressional investigators discovered that Silberman was assigned to secretive Reagan campaign operations collecting intelligence on what President Carter was doing to secure the release of 52 American hostages then held in Iran.
On April 20, 1980, the Reagan campaign created a group of foreign policy experts known as the Iran Working Group. The operation was run by Richard Allen, Fred Ikle and Silberman, the congressional investigators discovered.
After Reagans nomination in July, his campaign merged with that of his vice presidential running mate, George H.W. Bush, who had enlisted many ex-CIA officers who were loyal to Bush as a former CIA director.
October Surprise Obsession
The general election campaign assembled a strategy team, known as the October Surprise Group, which was ordered to prepare for any last-minute foreign policy or defense-related event, including the release of the hostages, that might favorably impact President Carter in the November election, according to a House Task Force that in 1992 investigated allegations of Republican interference in Carters hostage negotiations.
Originally referred to as the Gang of Ten, the Task Force report said the October Surprise Group consisted of Allen, Ikle, Charles M. Kupperman, Thomas H. Moorer, Eugene V. Rostow, William R. Van Cleave, John R. Lehman Jr., Robert G. Neumann, Seymour Weiss and Silberman.
While that reference made it into the Task Forces final report in January 1993, another part was deleted, which said: According to members of the October Surprise group, the following individuals also participated in meetings although they were not considered members of the group: Michael Ledeen, Richard Stillwell, William Middendorf, Richard Perle, General Louis Walt and Admiral James Holloway.
Deleted from the final report also was a section of the draft describing how the ex-CIA personnel who had worked for Bushs campaign became the nucleus of the Republican intelligence operation that monitored Carters Iran-hostage negotiations for the Reagan-Bush team.
The Reagan-Bush campaign maintained a 24-hour Operations Center, which monitored press wires and reports, gave daily press briefings and maintained telephone and telefax contact with the candidates plane, the draft report read. Many of the staff members were former CIA employees who had previously worked on the Bush campaign or were otherwise loyal to George Bush. (I discovered the unpublished portions of Task Forces report when I gain access to its files in late 1994.)
Another deletion involved a Sept. 16, 1980, meeting ordered by Reagans campaign director William Casey, who had become obsessed over the possibility of Carter pulling off an October Surprise release of the hostages.
On that date, Casey met with senior campaign officials Edwin Meese, Bill Timmons and Richard Allen about the Persian Gulf Project, according to an unpublished section of the House Task Force report and Allens notes. Two other participants at the meeting, according to Allens notes, were Michael Ledeen and Noel Koch.
That same day, Irans acting foreign minister Sadegh Ghotbzadeh was quoted as citing Republican interference on the hostages. Reagan, supported by [former Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger and others, has no intention of resolving the problem, Ghotbzadeh said. They will do everything in their power to block it.
Exactly what the Reagan-Bush October Surprise team did remains something of a historical mystery.
About two dozen witnesses including former Iranian officials and international intelligence figures have claimed the Republican contacts undercut Carters hostage negotiations, though others insist that the initiatives were simply ways to gather information about Carters desperate bid to free the hostages before the election. [For the most thorough account of the October Surprise case, see Robert Parrys Secrecy & Privilege.]
The LEnfant Plaza Mystery
One of the many unanswered questions about the October Surprise mystery revolved around a meeting involving Laurence Silberman and an Iranian emissary at the LEnfant Plaza Hotel in Washington in September or early October 1980.
Years later, an Iranian arms dealer named Houshang Lavi claimed to be the emissary who met with Silberman, Allen and Robert McFarlane, who was then an aide to Sen. John Tower, R-Texas. Lavi said the meeting on Oct. 2 dealt with the possibility of trading arms to Iran for release of the hostages and was arranged by Silberman.
Silberman, Allen and McFarlane acknowledged that a meeting happened, but they insisted they had no recollection of the emissarys name nor who he was.
In 1990, I interviewed a testy Richard Allen about the meeting for a PBS Frontline documentary. Allen said he reluctantly went to the meeting, which he said was proposed by McFarlane. Allen said he took along Silberman as a witness.
So Larry Silberman and I got on the subway and we went down to the LEnfant Plaza Hotel where I met McFarlane and there were many people milling about. We sat at a table in the lobby. It was around the lunch hour. I was introduced to this very obscure character whose name I cannot recall.
The individual who was either an Egyptian or an Iranian or could have been an Iranian living in Egypt and his idea was that he had the capacity to intervene, to deliver the hostages to the Reagan forces. Now, I took that at first to mean that he was able to deliver the hostages to Ronald Reagan, candidate for the presidency of the United States, which was absolutely lunatic. And I said so. I believe I said, or Larry did, we have one President at a time. Thats the way it is.
So this fellow continued with his conversation. I was incredulous that McFarlane would have ever brought a guy like this or placed any credibility in a guy like this. Just absolutely incredulous, and so was Larry Silberman. This meeting lasted maybe 20 minutes, 25 minutes. So thats it. Theres no need to continue this meeting.
Larry and I walked out. And I remember Larry saying, Boy, you better write a memorandum about this. This is really spaceship stuff. And it, of course, set my opinion very firmly about Bud McFarlane for having brought this person to me in the first place.
Swarthy Emissary
Allen described the emissary as stocky and swarthy, dark-complected, but otherwise non-descript. Allen added that the man looked like a person from somewhere on the Mediterranean littoral. How about that?
Allen said this Egyptian or Iranian must have given a name at the time, must have. But Allen couldnt recall it. He also said he made no effort to check out the mans position or background before agreeing to the meeting.
Did you ask McFarlane, who is this guy? I asked Allen.
I dont recall having asked him, no, Allen responded.
I guess I dont understand why you wouldnt say, Is this guy an Iranian, is he someone youve known for a while? I pressed.
Well, gee, Im sorry that you dont understand, Allen lashed back. I really feel badly for you. Its really too bad you dont understand. But thats your problem, not mine.
But wouldnt you normally ask that kind of background question?
Not necessarily, Allen said. McFarlane wanted me to meet a guy and this guy was going to talk about the hostages. I met plenty of people during that period of time who wanted to talk to me about the hostages. This was no different from anybody else I would meet on this subject.
It obviously turned out to be different from most people youve met on the subject, I interjected.
Oh, it turned out to be because this guy is the centerpiece of some sort of great conspiracy web that has been spun, Allen snapped.
Well, were there many people who offered to deliver the hostages to Ronald Reagan? I asked.
No, this one was particularly different, but I didnt know that before I went to the meeting, you understand.
Did you ask McFarlane what on earth this guy was going to propose?
I dont think I did in advance, no.
What also was unusual about this meeting was what Allen and Silberman did not do afterwards. Though Allen said that he and Silberman recognized the sensitivity of the approach, neither of Reagans foreign policy advisers contacted the Carter administration or reported the offer to law enforcement.
Defying Logic
It also defied logic that seasoned operatives like Allen and Silberman would have agreed to a meeting with an emissary from a hostile power without having done some due-diligence about who the person was and what his bona fides were.
Iranian arms dealer Lavi later claimed to be the mysterious emissary. And government documents revealed that Lavi made a similar approach to the independent presidential campaign of John Anderson, although Andersons campaign unlike Allen and Silberman promptly informed the CIA and State Department.
For his part, Silberman denied any substantive discussion with the mysterious emissary but refused to discuss the meeting in any detail. He did insist that he was out of town on Oct. 2, the date cited by Lavi, but Silberman wouldnt provide a list of dates when he was in Washington during the fall of 1980.
Though purportedly having arranged the meeting, McFarlare also insisted that he couldnt recall the identity of the emissary.
Later, when a Senate panel conducted a brief inquiry into whether the Republicans interfered with Carters hostage negotiations, a truculent Allen testified and brought along a memo that he claimed represented his contemporaneous recollections of the LEnfant Plaza meeting.
However, the memo, dated Sept. 10, 1980, flatly contradicted the previous accounts from Allen, Silberman and McFarlane. It described a meeting arranged by Mike Butler, another Tower aide, with McFarlane only joining in later as the pair told Allen about a meeting they had had with a Mr. A.A. Mohammed, a Malaysian who operated out of Singapore.
This afternoon, by mutual agreement, I met with Messrs. Mohammed, Butler and McFarlane. I also took Larry Silberman along to the meeting, Allen wrote in the memo.
According to the memo, Mohammed presented a scheme for returning the Shah of Irans son to the country as a figurehead monarch which would be accompanied by a release of the U.S. hostages. Though skeptical of the plan, both Larry and I indicated that we would be pleased to hear whatever additional news Mr. Mohammed might be able to turn up, and I suggested that that information be communicated via a secure channel, the memo read.
Nearly every important detail was different both in how the meeting was arranged and its contents. Gone was the proposal to release the hostages to candidate Reagan, gone was the abrupt cutoff, gone was the Iranian or Egyptian some guy from the Mediterranean littoral replaced by a Malaysian businessman whose comments were welcomed along with future contacts via a secure channel. The memo didnt even mention the LEnfant Plaza Hotel, nor was McFarlane the organizer.
A reasonable conclusion might be that Allens memo was about an entirely different meeting, which would suggest that Republican contacts with Iranian emissaries were more numerous than previously admitted and that Silberman was more of a regular player.
Also, Silberman, McFarlane and Butler when questioned by the House Task Force investigating the issue in 1992 disputed Allens new version of the LEnfant Plaza tale. They claimed no recollection of the A.A. Mohammed discussion.
Nevertheless, the House Task Force, in its determination to turn the page on the complex October Surprise issue, accepted Allens memo as the final answer to the LEnfant Plaza question and pressed ahead with a broader rejection of any wrongdoing by Republicans even though that required concealing a host of incriminating documents. [See Secrecy & Privilege.]
Tantalizing Clue
The House Task Force also turned a blind eye to another tantalizing clue related to the LEnfant Plaza mystery. Lavis lawyer, former CIA counsel Mitchell Rogovin, provided me a page of his notes from that time period.
Rogovin, who was an adviser to the John Anderson campaign, wrote on his calendar entry for Sept. 29, 1980, a summary of Lavis plan to trade weapons for the hostages. After that, Rogovin recorded a telephone contact with senior CIA official John McMahon to discuss Lavis plan and to schedule a face-to-face meeting with a CIA representative on Oct. 2.
The next entry, however, was stunning. It read, Larry Silberman still very nervous/will recommend against us this P.M. I said $250,000 he said why even bother.
When I called Rogovin about this notation, he said it related to a loan that the Anderson campaign was seeking from Crocker National Bank where Silberman served as legal counsel. The note meant that Silberman was planning to advise the bank officers against the loan, Rogovin said.
I asked Rogovin if he might have mentioned Lavis hostage plan to Silberman, who was in the curious position of being a senior Reagan adviser and weighing in on a loan to an independent campaign that was viewed as siphoning off votes from Carter. (Crocker did extend a line of credit to Anderson.)
There was no discussion of the Lavi proposal, Rogovin insisted. But Rogovin acknowledged that Silberman was a friend from the Ford administration where both men had worked on intelligence issues, Rogovin from the CIA and Silberman at the Justice Department. Later, Rogovin and Silberman became next-door neighbors and bought a boat together.
In a normal investigation, such coincidences would strain credulity, especially given Lavis claim that he took part in a meeting with Republicans at the LEnfant Plaza on Oct. 2, the same day that he talked with a CIA representative. Lavi also claimed that Silberman had arranged the meeting, which would make sense given Rogovins personal ties to Silberman.
However, as on a host of other compelling leads, the House Task Force chose to look the other way.
Reagans Victory
On Nov. 4, 1980, with Carter unable to free the hostages and Americans humiliated by the year-long ordeal with Iran, Ronald Reagan won the presidency in a landslide.
For his loyal service in the campaign, the neoconservative Silberman was put in charge of the transition teams intelligence section. The team prepared a report attacking the CIAs analytical division for noting growing weaknesses in the Soviet Union, a position despised by the neocons because it undercut their case for a costly expansion of the Pentagons budget.
Silbermans transition team accused the CIAs Directorate of Intelligence of an abject failure to foresee a supposedly massive Soviet buildup of strategic weapons and the wholesale failure to comprehend the sophistication of Soviet propaganda.
These failures are of such enormity, the transition report said, that they cannot help but suggest to any objective observer that the agency itself is compromised to an unprecedented extent and that its paralysis is attributable to causes more sinister than incompetence.
In other words, Silbermans transition team was implying that CIA analysts who didnt toe the neoconservative line must be Soviet agents. Even anti-Soviet hardliners like the CIAs Robert Gates recognized the impact that the incoming administrations hostility had on the CIA analysts.
That the Reaganites saw their arrival as a hostile takeover was apparent in the most extraordinary transition period of my career, Gates wrote in his memoir, From the Shadows. The reaction inside the Agency to this litany of failure and incompetence from the transition team was a mix of resentment and anger, dread and personal insecurity.
Amid rumors that the transition team wanted to purge several hundred top analysts, career officials feared for their jobs, especially those considered responsible for assessing the Soviet Union as a declining power rapidly falling behind the West in technology and economics.
According to some intelligence sources, Silberman expected to get the job of CIA director and flew into a rage when Reagan gave the job to his campaign director William Casey, who also was tied to the October Surprise operations. (The U.S. hostages in Iran were released immediately upon Ronald Reagan taking the oath of office on Jan. 20, 1981.)
Silbermans consolation prize was to be named a judge on the powerful U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, where he helped frustrate the Iran-Contra investigation by overturning Oliver Norths conviction in 1990 and to this day is a defender of the neocons foreign policy -- as witnessed by his Sept. 11, 2009, ruling blocking civil lawsuits against U.S. government contractors implicated in torturing Iraqis.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.
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I tried to warn those around me of these sleezy low grade criminals, I was ridiculed
AuntPatsy
Jul 2015
#14
And in fact one of the things I have noticed on MSNBC is that they are doing exactly that. If they
jwirr
Jul 2015
#98
You are trying to smear him for defending justice. He clearly is not defending Mr. Cosby.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#57
Smear him? His hypocrisy on Cosby versus pronouncing the BFEE guilty is staggering
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#62
I'll bet if we did searches we would find hundreds of examples when he accused folks of things
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#192
How many more do you need? We have already mentioned Bush, Cheney and the BFEE. Isn't that enough?
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#210
This is the kind of debater you are. Half a dozen to a dozen of us have provided you several
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#218
Oh yes, he is, and he is asserting a standard he never applies elsewhere. It's obvious.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#91
Thank you, marym625. Looking back, I admire the overall work as a most splendid smear.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#26
Well said sir. You, and those that speak the truth will always be a target.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#67
Hail Bartcop Hail Octafish If the world was fair Joni Ernst would be folding breadbags this summer.
IADEMO2004
Jul 2015
#6
Thanks to the alerter for the explanation and the indication of a big problem
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#54
The whole S&L crisis and Neil Bush's role in it has been allowed to drop into the memory hole!
LongTomH
Jul 2015
#116
JEB's own role in the S&L thing was overshadowed, if possible, by SILVERADO Neil.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#139
And he didn't directly address the issue that this OP is really about. The OP is manipulation
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#56
You claim Foley is guilty- but that statute of limitations ran out too. Same shit, different story
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#170
And with his response to you, down you go down the rabbit hole. He's even telling you what you
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#120
OMG, and he did it to Sid just above. Exactly the kind of crap I said he does.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#81
Yes, of course that's what my comment means. Strawman much? Actually calling that a strawman is
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#83
Right. Like 'taking some piece of what the person actually said and twisting it' isn't what you did.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#88
Nope, and several other folks agreed that is the upshot of what you wrote. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#89
'Make the comparison between his positions on Cosby and the BFEE and he accuses you of supporting...
Octafish
Jul 2015
#92
Here, you accused me of supporting the BFEE. "Stick with the BFEE Stevenleser"
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#94
Yeah. Like where I've asked you up and down this thread to show where I'm wrong.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#274
Repeating the same strawman over and over doesn't make it correct, stevenleser.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#78
This OP and the links I provided where folks can read the other comments is all the evidence I need.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#79
How VP Poppy Bush of CIA got real big when Pruneface Raygun was ''Head Honcho''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#95
You're one of the most right-on DU'ers of all. I treasure your posts, and the knowlege behind them.
NBachers
Jul 2015
#19
Ha I have connections to both Bushes and Smedly Butler (my Grandfather met and admired him).
gordianot
Jul 2015
#27
My kids never heard of Butler from school before 2004, I made sure they did.
gordianot
Jul 2015
#103
Odd my relative met his cousin Bush on his Grandfathers oil field in Kansas.
gordianot
Jul 2015
#183
Some never get the opportunity. Remember GOP US Attorney John David R. Atchison?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#141
I remember the case being posted here, and the Repubs being upset about it being their team again
Hydra
Jul 2015
#187
A lot of them settled in Huntsville, helping the Army build rockets, boosters, and what-all.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#194
There's a lot of child preadators and serial adulterers popping up in the GOP lately.
Initech
Jul 2015
#37
Strange how quickly the 'media' forget. Remember that nice juvie Judge in business with the prisons?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#206
The Machine: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda vs Freedom & Liberty
Octafish
Jul 2015
#200
BFEE judge Silberman compared people who say ''Bush lied America into war'' to NAZIs.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#203
Bush gave coin to Goldstar mother and said: ''Don't go selling it on e-Bay.''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#289
Key to present day: Secret Service didn't like African Americans in 1963. Ask Agent Abraham Bolden.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#295
Post on, My Friend, post on! The BFEE and their sycophants are endemic of the fetid rot that...
Raster
Jul 2015
#72
''No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money.'' -- Dr. Samuel Johnson.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#304
That's a sign, an inability to focus on the point and a talent to promote the freak show.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#305
Exactly. Par from the course with him. And debates with him are like going down the rabbit hole
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#101
I've got your back, and I always will. A small handful of dead-enders can make lots of noise.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#127
Of course it's a conspiracy, using position and power to enrich one's cronies.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#138
LOL! Anything to say about what I actually wrote -- on this thread or anywhere?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#143
When you figure it out let me know. I've been down the rabbit hole with him on this for two days now
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#146
Justice demands prosecution of traitors, war criminals, mass murderers, war profiteers and thieves.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#162
apparently serial rapists are easy to ignore- women don't rate as important enough to get justice
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#176
Exactly- Octafish gets to judge who is criminal- the rest of us should STFU. Unless we agree!
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#175
you posted about Foley - crimes not found- as guilty but just cannot say it about Cosby, LOL....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#179
'Florida closes Foley investigation without charges" so by your Cosby standards, also innocent.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#185
As is the much testimony against Cosby, his lies and confession of employing drugs.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#201
And note he wrote "Unlike you" accusing you of not finding the evidence against Foley compelling
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#212
Yeah, most of his replies have nothing to do with his dislike of calling Cos a rapist.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#213
And he again asked upthread to provide examples of when he has accused other people of stuff
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#215
Lol, anything to deflect how he is basically a traitor to womankind. Society deserves protection....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#216
So now I'm a ''traitor to womankind''? Nice smear, bettyellen. Guess that's the best you can do...
Octafish
Jul 2015
#229
And we can't get through to him. He uses all these weird defense mechanisms instead of listening.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#243
I though Foley's case had "no criminal finding" so he's no more guilty than your BFF, Cosby....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#165
Florida dropped the case on grounds of ''insufficient evidence'' meaning GOP Congress covered up.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#181
LOL, and no one covered for Cosby. Sounds like two innocent lambs with conspiracy theories
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#186
No one accused you or "covering it up"? WTF? He wasn't found guilty- so he's not guilty according to your
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#193
Octafish, I love you. You obviously care enough to dig deep and hard towards
AikidoSoul
Jul 2015
#167
nope, you have that exactly backwards. His hypocrisy on Bill Cosby is somehow OK because he hates
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#220
I'm not a Fox employee. So I can say anything I want. And we have proved you wrong dozens of times
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#225
You want me to publicly speculate on a nonexistent job offer? Yeah, that would be a good idea.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#233
Nope, there are half a dozen of us pointing out the same thing, so its not me. Nice try though. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#227
There are no Fox News Contributors on DU. At least none that I am aware of. There are guests
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#214
By the way, am permalinking and sending this to my journal for reference to your ad hominems
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#228
So those screen grabs are of someone with the same name as you who looks like you 3 times?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#265
At least you've now moved the goalposts to where you are not accusing me of being an employee
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#281
Oh and in other words, you are accusing me of something here, but can't accuse Cosby.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#251
Lol, right? Jumping right into a conflict with another DUer isn't remotely suspicious
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#268
Yes, Dennis is a contributor, a paid employee of that network. I'm just a guest. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#237
And I and every other Democrat on this site agrees that Bush is a lying, asshole
BainsBane
Jul 2015
#248
They don't care about the women, like you said its a game to them about personalities on DU.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#246
I did a big piece on rape culture in 2013 with Marcotte and I should show you the stats on that show
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#250