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Octafish

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3. So now they can do what Frank Church and Hannah Arendt warned us about.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:24 PM
Sep 2015



The Fall Guys at the CIA

Amor Mundi
The Hannah Arendt Center

Fritz Schwarz, who once served as chief counsel for the U.S. Senate's Church Committee's investigation of U.S. intelligence agencies under six presidents--Franklin Roosevelt through Richard Nixon--argues that the Senate's recently released torture report made a mistake in placing all the blame on the CIA. &quot P)lacing blame almost exclusively on the CIA is neither accurate nor fair. The Church Committee initially risked going down the same path in its investigation of CIA assassination plots. Senator Frank Church speculated to the press that the CIA may have acted like a 'rogue elephant on a rampage.' Other senators, also speculating, opined the CIA 'took orders from the top.' But, after extensive investigation and when the committee released its Interim Report on Assassinations, it declined to adopt either theory. Instead, the Church Committee presented substantial evidence for both views, saying the conflicting evidence made it impossible to be certain whether or not Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy authorized the assassination plots. Then, in its final reports issued six months later, based on facts from six administrations and review of many more programs and many more agencies, the Church Committee was ready to fix responsibility at the top. Yes, some agency programs were concealed from higher authority, but more frequently it was senior officials themselves who through pressure for results created a climate for abuse, failed to assure compliance with the law, and demanded action without carefully providing for future oversight. In the case of torture, the Bush-Cheney White House was clearly involved. It pushed for and approved the program; it was complicit in obtaining the deeply flawed legal opinions that redefined the ban on torture to meaningless nothings. White House officials forgot that both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln barred torture in perilous times when Americans were hard pressed in their fight to create the nation or to save it. They also forgot that after World War II the United States led the way in drafting the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit torture and other forms of inhumane treatment. They locked out voices of experience from the State Department and the military who would have warned of harm to America's reputation and risks to American captives. They failed to listen to FBI experts on interrogation who could have explained we were getting important intelligence through interrogation techniques other than torture. And they forgot, or nobody told them, that after World War II we had prosecuted Japanese officials as war criminals for using on American soldiers the same torture techniques the White House authorized and the CIA implemented after 9/11." Schwarz's Democracy in the Dark: The Seduction of Government Secrecy will appear this year, and Schwarz himself will be speaking at the Hannah Arendt Center's 2015 fall conference on privacy.

SOURCE: http://www.hannaharendtcenter.org/?p=15114



Good thing for DU, Hydra. Some people are aware of what the tee vee isn't telling.

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Playing stupid to cover their role in it and to expand their powers Hydra Sep 2015 #1
So now they can do what Frank Church and Hannah Arendt warned us about. Octafish Sep 2015 #3
That's the main reason I'm here Hydra Sep 2015 #4
Funny that you should mention her nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #8
I encourage you to do so Hydra Sep 2015 #10
But, you know, CIA was designed to be the "fall guy" for Presidential covert activities. Plausible leveymg Sep 2015 #24
President Truman didn't expect the cloak and dagger stuff when he signed it into law. Octafish Sep 2015 #27
Maybe in the day when the CIA answered to the President. Today, I believe it's the other way rhett o rick Sep 2015 #33
Well they were just slapped back nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #6
"They had no technical means of tracing the call" !!!!!!!! leveymg Sep 2015 #2
Looks like a Fortress of Turpitude Octafish Sep 2015 #9
There were at least 2 Saudi double-agents together in San Diego: al-Midhar and Alwaki leveymg Sep 2015 #22
DU has no clue how lucky we are. Octafish Sep 2015 #69
Back at you. Thank you, this would otherwise be a dark blind alley of smoke and mirrors. leveymg Sep 2015 #70
Here's the inside story from the FBI liaison at CIA CTC. This has some new info, below leveymg Sep 2015 #23
The truth might have come out earlier nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #16
Have you seen this movie Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #21
Remember Mark Lombardi... Octafish Sep 2015 #38
Thank you for all that info.! Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #54
Yup nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #51
I thought it was a good video Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #56
A couple choice quotes nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #58
Can you sum up what he thinks is to be discovered at that airfield? riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #52
From his blog nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #53
Blackwater!! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #57
Pinal Airpark on Google Earth nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #59
As an amateur pilot that pic scares the crap out of me!!! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #60
I'm not sure Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #55
Heartbreaking. Remember Jim Hatfield... Octafish Sep 2015 #37
Bush was very good friends with the Saudis Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #39
PNAC. The Bush family needed a Reichstag fire type event to jumpstart war in the ME riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #41
I hope this isn't right Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #43
Buy Partisan defenders in office and out. Octafish Sep 2015 #47
Reminds me of the English kings plundering other countries and bringing back treasures Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #49
Senator Bob Graham was on the trail of these guys, but the FBI refused to issue subpoenas. seafan Sep 2015 #18
Thnx! leveymg Sep 2015 #25
from this important article questionseverything Sep 2015 #5
J Kirk Wiebe - American Hero Octafish Sep 2015 #34
LIHOP at least... riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #7
I think there's a word for that... Hydra Sep 2015 #11
At the very least, 3000 counts of Negligent Homicide. A multi-count indictment. leveymg Sep 2015 #26
Bushco is apparently too big to jail Hydra Sep 2015 #28
NSA docs contradict Bush Administration 9-11 claims Octafish Sep 2015 #36
"We were too incompetent to do what we could have easily done" jfern Sep 2015 #12
Why do they need to spy on us? That's NAZI. Octafish Sep 2015 #44
The fact that the same close nit group of officials and intelligence agencies 1)"failed" to prevent GoneFishin Sep 2015 #13
Dots All Connected, GoneFishin. Here's how NYT op-ed put it in 2012... Octafish Sep 2015 #63
9/11 could have been stopped. Period. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #14
It may be all the bad beer and propaganda have addled American brains. Octafish Sep 2015 #64
Kick... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #15
A Familiar Refrain: Justice Denied Due to Technical Difficulties. Octafish Sep 2015 #67
Here's the pity of it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #71
Absolutely essential books (Cass Sunstein's just sayin') Octafish Sep 2015 #72
Jeeeeezuss... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #73
A dirty deed done dirty and with that knowledge, a heavy burden. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #17
Bob Graham: FBI hindered Congress’s 9/11 inquiry, withheld reports about Sarasota Saudis Octafish Sep 2015 #68
It seems like all the alphabet agencies have an agenda to pursue a coverup. seafan Sep 2015 #19
Thanks for the post, seafan, it's very eye-opening. I have never seen this before and I am still Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #20
Thank you, Ghost. seafan Sep 2015 #40
Bob Graham should be careful Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #42
Sultan bin Salman Al Saud JDPriestly Apr 2016 #75
KnR! Holly_Hobby Sep 2015 #29
L I H O P Raster Sep 2015 #30
It's a sad state of affairs... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #31
K&R Go Vols Sep 2015 #32
LIHOP K&R n/t bobthedrummer Sep 2015 #35
I didn't see a mention of General Ahmed in the thread Oilwellian Sep 2015 #45
The Guardian article doesn't mention Porter Goss nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #50
Thank you for this post, Octafish. The links Karmadillo Sep 2015 #46
If a 4 star general can look Congress in the eyes and lie his ass off and not be punished. Rex Sep 2015 #48
A money-making 4 star general lying his ass off. Octafish Sep 2015 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #61
HUGE K&R CrawlingChaos Sep 2015 #62
LIHOP MoonRiver Sep 2015 #66
The only way the NSA could have prevented 9/11... jmowreader Sep 2015 #74
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