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Octafish

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9. Looks like a Fortress of Turpitude
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:42 PM
Sep 2015

The formerly Top Secret record supports what the whistleblowers have reported.



The NSA’s 9/11 Cover-Up: General Hayden Told a Lie, and It’s a Whopper

by Bill Blunden
CounterPunch, July 30, 2015

EXCERPT...

James Bamford, himself a former NSA whistleblower, digs into Hayden’s assertions. Leveraging the technical expertise of former NSA insiders he unearths an unsettling find. The narrative spun by Hayden is “an absolute lie.” The NSA knew damn well that these calls were coming from San Diego. According to former NSA senior executive Thomas Drake:

“Every number that comes into that switchboard, if you’re cast-iron coverage on that switchboard, you know exactly what that number is and where it comes from.… You know exactly—otherwise it can’t get there.”


Former NSA senior analyst Kirk Wiebe expounds on Drake’s counterpoint, noting that telephone communiques are bundled with the bits of information necessary to bill the correct phone company:

“You know the phone numbers involved, who’s making the phone call, and who it’s going to because the billing system has to have that metadata to charge you.”


So Drake, Wiebe, and other NSA veterans charge that Hayden is full of it. That the NSA was aware of terrorists in San Diego phoning home to Yemen. This raises some important questions. For example, how on earth could an intelligence agency with billions in resources neglect to follow up on these calls? From people whom they knew to be associated with bin Laden? How could internal security services not request court authorization for wiretaps and launch an inquiry? It’s a given that any investigator worth their salt would’ve linked and correlated the San Diego callers to other 9/11 terrorists in the United States and almost certainly put a halt to the operation.

There may be those who point to incompetence and embarrassment as a possible explanation. Such people would argue that the NSA is an agency like other agencies made up of people and that people are fallible; the San Diego call was somehow overlooked or was accidentally lost in the commotion of the NSA’s monolithic bureaucracy.

Your author questions this account, as it would indicate an organization that’s way beyond dysfunctional. Recent disclosures by WikiLeaks describe economic espionage by the United States which depict an NSA that’s more than capable of performing SIGINT missions. Other Snowden-era documents also indicate that the NSA runs a world class spy outfit. Consider also that foreign countries like Germany are just itching to be brought into the Five Eyes fold. No keystone cops here, no sir!

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/30/the-nsas-911-cover-up-general-hayden-told-a-lie-and-its-a-whopper/



Seeing this story confirming our worst fears from 14 years ago is most troubling.

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Playing stupid to cover their role in it and to expand their powers Hydra Sep 2015 #1
So now they can do what Frank Church and Hannah Arendt warned us about. Octafish Sep 2015 #3
That's the main reason I'm here Hydra Sep 2015 #4
Funny that you should mention her nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #8
I encourage you to do so Hydra Sep 2015 #10
But, you know, CIA was designed to be the "fall guy" for Presidential covert activities. Plausible leveymg Sep 2015 #24
President Truman didn't expect the cloak and dagger stuff when he signed it into law. Octafish Sep 2015 #27
Maybe in the day when the CIA answered to the President. Today, I believe it's the other way rhett o rick Sep 2015 #33
Well they were just slapped back nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #6
"They had no technical means of tracing the call" !!!!!!!! leveymg Sep 2015 #2
Looks like a Fortress of Turpitude Octafish Sep 2015 #9
There were at least 2 Saudi double-agents together in San Diego: al-Midhar and Alwaki leveymg Sep 2015 #22
DU has no clue how lucky we are. Octafish Sep 2015 #69
Back at you. Thank you, this would otherwise be a dark blind alley of smoke and mirrors. leveymg Sep 2015 #70
Here's the inside story from the FBI liaison at CIA CTC. This has some new info, below leveymg Sep 2015 #23
The truth might have come out earlier nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #16
Have you seen this movie Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #21
Remember Mark Lombardi... Octafish Sep 2015 #38
Thank you for all that info.! Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #54
Yup nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #51
I thought it was a good video Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #56
A couple choice quotes nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #58
Can you sum up what he thinks is to be discovered at that airfield? riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #52
From his blog nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #53
Blackwater!! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #57
Pinal Airpark on Google Earth nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #59
As an amateur pilot that pic scares the crap out of me!!! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #60
I'm not sure Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #55
Heartbreaking. Remember Jim Hatfield... Octafish Sep 2015 #37
Bush was very good friends with the Saudis Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #39
PNAC. The Bush family needed a Reichstag fire type event to jumpstart war in the ME riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #41
I hope this isn't right Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #43
Buy Partisan defenders in office and out. Octafish Sep 2015 #47
Reminds me of the English kings plundering other countries and bringing back treasures Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #49
Senator Bob Graham was on the trail of these guys, but the FBI refused to issue subpoenas. seafan Sep 2015 #18
Thnx! leveymg Sep 2015 #25
from this important article questionseverything Sep 2015 #5
J Kirk Wiebe - American Hero Octafish Sep 2015 #34
LIHOP at least... riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #7
I think there's a word for that... Hydra Sep 2015 #11
At the very least, 3000 counts of Negligent Homicide. A multi-count indictment. leveymg Sep 2015 #26
Bushco is apparently too big to jail Hydra Sep 2015 #28
NSA docs contradict Bush Administration 9-11 claims Octafish Sep 2015 #36
"We were too incompetent to do what we could have easily done" jfern Sep 2015 #12
Why do they need to spy on us? That's NAZI. Octafish Sep 2015 #44
The fact that the same close nit group of officials and intelligence agencies 1)"failed" to prevent GoneFishin Sep 2015 #13
Dots All Connected, GoneFishin. Here's how NYT op-ed put it in 2012... Octafish Sep 2015 #63
9/11 could have been stopped. Period. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #14
It may be all the bad beer and propaganda have addled American brains. Octafish Sep 2015 #64
Kick... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #15
A Familiar Refrain: Justice Denied Due to Technical Difficulties. Octafish Sep 2015 #67
Here's the pity of it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #71
Absolutely essential books (Cass Sunstein's just sayin') Octafish Sep 2015 #72
Jeeeeezuss... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #73
A dirty deed done dirty and with that knowledge, a heavy burden. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #17
Bob Graham: FBI hindered Congress’s 9/11 inquiry, withheld reports about Sarasota Saudis Octafish Sep 2015 #68
It seems like all the alphabet agencies have an agenda to pursue a coverup. seafan Sep 2015 #19
Thanks for the post, seafan, it's very eye-opening. I have never seen this before and I am still Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #20
Thank you, Ghost. seafan Sep 2015 #40
Bob Graham should be careful Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #42
Sultan bin Salman Al Saud JDPriestly Apr 2016 #75
KnR! Holly_Hobby Sep 2015 #29
L I H O P Raster Sep 2015 #30
It's a sad state of affairs... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #31
K&R Go Vols Sep 2015 #32
LIHOP K&R n/t bobthedrummer Sep 2015 #35
I didn't see a mention of General Ahmed in the thread Oilwellian Sep 2015 #45
The Guardian article doesn't mention Porter Goss nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #50
Thank you for this post, Octafish. The links Karmadillo Sep 2015 #46
If a 4 star general can look Congress in the eyes and lie his ass off and not be punished. Rex Sep 2015 #48
A money-making 4 star general lying his ass off. Octafish Sep 2015 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #61
HUGE K&R CrawlingChaos Sep 2015 #62
LIHOP MoonRiver Sep 2015 #66
The only way the NSA could have prevented 9/11... jmowreader Sep 2015 #74
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