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Octafish

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44. Why do they need to spy on us? That's NAZI.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:16 PM
Sep 2015


The NSA’s cyber-surveillance technology

Infrastructure of a police state


By Kevin Reed
World Socialist Web Site, 25 June 2013

Edward Snowden’s documentary exposure of secret NSA surveillance activities has brought to light details of the mass illegal collection of phone metadata and online transaction activity of both US citizens and individuals, organizations and governments around the world.

Following a classified Congressional intelligence briefing on June 11, US Representative Loretta Sanchez stated in a C-Span interview that Snowden’s disclosures were “the tip of the iceberg.” Indeed, with more revelations to come, Edward Snowden has courageously helped make the public aware of a vast spying conspiracy by the corporate-military-intelligence apparatus within the US.

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/25/infr-j25.html?view=article_mobile



Why do they need to use all that on We the People?



The Last Gasp of American Democracy

By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014

EXCERPT...

The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.

I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasi—the Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the “shield and sword” of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.

The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the population—one for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in America’s black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.

[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]

The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.

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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105



While I am willing to give the alphabet soup the benefit of the doubt, the spying is unconstitutional and undemocratic.

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Playing stupid to cover their role in it and to expand their powers Hydra Sep 2015 #1
So now they can do what Frank Church and Hannah Arendt warned us about. Octafish Sep 2015 #3
That's the main reason I'm here Hydra Sep 2015 #4
Funny that you should mention her nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #8
I encourage you to do so Hydra Sep 2015 #10
But, you know, CIA was designed to be the "fall guy" for Presidential covert activities. Plausible leveymg Sep 2015 #24
President Truman didn't expect the cloak and dagger stuff when he signed it into law. Octafish Sep 2015 #27
Maybe in the day when the CIA answered to the President. Today, I believe it's the other way rhett o rick Sep 2015 #33
Well they were just slapped back nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #6
"They had no technical means of tracing the call" !!!!!!!! leveymg Sep 2015 #2
Looks like a Fortress of Turpitude Octafish Sep 2015 #9
There were at least 2 Saudi double-agents together in San Diego: al-Midhar and Alwaki leveymg Sep 2015 #22
DU has no clue how lucky we are. Octafish Sep 2015 #69
Back at you. Thank you, this would otherwise be a dark blind alley of smoke and mirrors. leveymg Sep 2015 #70
Here's the inside story from the FBI liaison at CIA CTC. This has some new info, below leveymg Sep 2015 #23
The truth might have come out earlier nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #16
Have you seen this movie Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #21
Remember Mark Lombardi... Octafish Sep 2015 #38
Thank you for all that info.! Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #54
Yup nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #51
I thought it was a good video Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #56
A couple choice quotes nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #58
Can you sum up what he thinks is to be discovered at that airfield? riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #52
From his blog nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #53
Blackwater!! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #57
Pinal Airpark on Google Earth nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #59
As an amateur pilot that pic scares the crap out of me!!! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #60
I'm not sure Michigan-Arizona Sep 2015 #55
Heartbreaking. Remember Jim Hatfield... Octafish Sep 2015 #37
Bush was very good friends with the Saudis Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #39
PNAC. The Bush family needed a Reichstag fire type event to jumpstart war in the ME riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #41
I hope this isn't right Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #43
Buy Partisan defenders in office and out. Octafish Sep 2015 #47
Reminds me of the English kings plundering other countries and bringing back treasures Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #49
Senator Bob Graham was on the trail of these guys, but the FBI refused to issue subpoenas. seafan Sep 2015 #18
Thnx! leveymg Sep 2015 #25
from this important article questionseverything Sep 2015 #5
J Kirk Wiebe - American Hero Octafish Sep 2015 #34
LIHOP at least... riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #7
I think there's a word for that... Hydra Sep 2015 #11
At the very least, 3000 counts of Negligent Homicide. A multi-count indictment. leveymg Sep 2015 #26
Bushco is apparently too big to jail Hydra Sep 2015 #28
NSA docs contradict Bush Administration 9-11 claims Octafish Sep 2015 #36
"We were too incompetent to do what we could have easily done" jfern Sep 2015 #12
Why do they need to spy on us? That's NAZI. Octafish Sep 2015 #44
The fact that the same close nit group of officials and intelligence agencies 1)"failed" to prevent GoneFishin Sep 2015 #13
Dots All Connected, GoneFishin. Here's how NYT op-ed put it in 2012... Octafish Sep 2015 #63
9/11 could have been stopped. Period. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #14
It may be all the bad beer and propaganda have addled American brains. Octafish Sep 2015 #64
Kick... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #15
A Familiar Refrain: Justice Denied Due to Technical Difficulties. Octafish Sep 2015 #67
Here's the pity of it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #71
Absolutely essential books (Cass Sunstein's just sayin') Octafish Sep 2015 #72
Jeeeeezuss... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #73
A dirty deed done dirty and with that knowledge, a heavy burden. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #17
Bob Graham: FBI hindered Congress’s 9/11 inquiry, withheld reports about Sarasota Saudis Octafish Sep 2015 #68
It seems like all the alphabet agencies have an agenda to pursue a coverup. seafan Sep 2015 #19
Thanks for the post, seafan, it's very eye-opening. I have never seen this before and I am still Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #20
Thank you, Ghost. seafan Sep 2015 #40
Bob Graham should be careful Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #42
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It's a sad state of affairs... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #31
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LIHOP K&R n/t bobthedrummer Sep 2015 #35
I didn't see a mention of General Ahmed in the thread Oilwellian Sep 2015 #45
The Guardian article doesn't mention Porter Goss nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #50
Thank you for this post, Octafish. The links Karmadillo Sep 2015 #46
If a 4 star general can look Congress in the eyes and lie his ass off and not be punished. Rex Sep 2015 #48
A money-making 4 star general lying his ass off. Octafish Sep 2015 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #61
HUGE K&R CrawlingChaos Sep 2015 #62
LIHOP MoonRiver Sep 2015 #66
The only way the NSA could have prevented 9/11... jmowreader Sep 2015 #74
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