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In reply to the discussion: Missed Calls: Is the NSA lying about its failure to prevent 9/11? (James Bamford) [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)44. Why do they need to spy on us? That's NAZI.
The NSAs cyber-surveillance technology
Infrastructure of a police state
By Kevin Reed
World Socialist Web Site, 25 June 2013
Edward Snowdens documentary exposure of secret NSA surveillance activities has brought to light details of the mass illegal collection of phone metadata and online transaction activity of both US citizens and individuals, organizations and governments around the world.
Following a classified Congressional intelligence briefing on June 11, US Representative Loretta Sanchez stated in a C-Span interview that Snowdens disclosures were the tip of the iceberg. Indeed, with more revelations to come, Edward Snowden has courageously helped make the public aware of a vast spying conspiracy by the corporate-military-intelligence apparatus within the US.
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/25/infr-j25.html?view=article_mobile
Why do they need to use all that on We the People?
The Last Gasp of American Democracy
By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014
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The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.
I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasithe Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the shield and sword of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.
The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the populationone for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in Americas black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.
[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. And because Americans emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough evidence to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]
The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.
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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105
While I am willing to give the alphabet soup the benefit of the doubt, the spying is unconstitutional and undemocratic.
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Missed Calls: Is the NSA lying about its failure to prevent 9/11? (James Bamford) [View all]
Octafish
Sep 2015
OP
But, you know, CIA was designed to be the "fall guy" for Presidential covert activities. Plausible
leveymg
Sep 2015
#24
President Truman didn't expect the cloak and dagger stuff when he signed it into law.
Octafish
Sep 2015
#27
Maybe in the day when the CIA answered to the President. Today, I believe it's the other way
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#33
There were at least 2 Saudi double-agents together in San Diego: al-Midhar and Alwaki
leveymg
Sep 2015
#22
Back at you. Thank you, this would otherwise be a dark blind alley of smoke and mirrors.
leveymg
Sep 2015
#70
Here's the inside story from the FBI liaison at CIA CTC. This has some new info, below
leveymg
Sep 2015
#23
PNAC. The Bush family needed a Reichstag fire type event to jumpstart war in the ME
riderinthestorm
Sep 2015
#41
Reminds me of the English kings plundering other countries and bringing back treasures
Rosa Luxemburg
Sep 2015
#49
Senator Bob Graham was on the trail of these guys, but the FBI refused to issue subpoenas.
seafan
Sep 2015
#18
At the very least, 3000 counts of Negligent Homicide. A multi-count indictment.
leveymg
Sep 2015
#26
The fact that the same close nit group of officials and intelligence agencies 1)"failed" to prevent
GoneFishin
Sep 2015
#13
Bob Graham: FBI hindered Congress’s 9/11 inquiry, withheld reports about Sarasota Saudis
Octafish
Sep 2015
#68
Thanks for the post, seafan, it's very eye-opening. I have never seen this before and I am still
Ghost in the Machine
Sep 2015
#20