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Igel

(36,980 posts)
11. That's much of it.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:43 PM
Sep 2015

But there's a lot more.

First, the GT label is to be reserved for a truly small number. That small number determines the characteristics. Instead, the label's been spread far and wide and includes many kids who aren't GT. They're just smart and high achievers. There's a difference, and when you see "28% are GT" you know you're looking at a bad, misguided set of criteria. Because it's political, in the sense that every kid rejected is a possible problem parent and administrators hate that. Moreover, the more GT kids, the higher many state rankings place the campus.

Second, the smaller class size, personal interaction with teachers, availability of choice in projects, all matter. They increase achievement all on their own. But there's more.

GT kids tend not to be classroom management disasters.

Just as the AP/pre-AP/level course system that many schools have effectively reinstitute tracking, so GT is part of that tracking system. It puts low-motivation, low-achieving students in one cohort and high-achieving/high-motivation students in another.

Studies show this is "bad," but the studies are usually skewed. Academics--what most of us understand to be "achievement"--is appended to social attitudes, appreciation of diversity, etc. But we're not done yet.

Turns out that the studies that did look primarily at academics and still returned results saying that high-achieving students benefited academically from helping lower-achieving students (a) didn't include classroom behavior issues and (b) split the kids into two groups. Split them into low, mid, and high-achieving students and the results differ. One group (the highest achieving, IIRC) distinctly *suffered* from ability mixing to the extent recommended. It was the middle group that benefited from mixing with high achievers and also benefited from mixing with low achievers. But the assumptions, contrarian research, and flaws in methodology are routinely ignored when social advocates apply the research to public (or private) schools. The desire to be agents of social change and save society is too strong to let accuracy and critical thinking survive.

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I'm sorry is that garbage a real quote? whatthehey Sep 2015 #1
I can only post 4 paragraphs due to copyright restrictions gollygee Sep 2015 #3
The word "would" did not display because it is in brackets. . . Journeyman Sep 2015 #5
Here are a couple of quoted paragraphs JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #6
What our schools need is more testing, obviously. Orrex Sep 2015 #2
It was more the "be" that indicated terrible grammar. whatthehey Sep 2015 #16
Any kid would benefit from being in the gifted program underpants Sep 2015 #4
That's much of it. Igel Sep 2015 #11
It depends somewhat on the nature of the gifted program. SheilaT Sep 2015 #28
The gifted program in my school was a joke Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2015 #7
The gifted grade school I went to was amazing. B2G Sep 2015 #9
let our "secretary of education" privatize all the schools for allegedly gifted kids and the rest msongs Sep 2015 #8
Conflicted ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #10
What state? Igel Sep 2015 #12
Sorry, Missed This ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #14
That's another effect of standardized testing. Xithras Sep 2015 #13
So let's talk about the "system." LWolf Sep 2015 #15
At our schools they do use a standardized test gollygee Sep 2015 #17
That's actually an issue everywhere. LWolf Sep 2015 #18
You should make this issue an OP. The fact that GT are at high risk is not known by the public. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #19
I'll try to remember this weekend, LWolf Sep 2015 #23
Yes this is the problem gollygee Sep 2015 #21
Parent ed is crucial. LWolf Sep 2015 #24
Your efforts are making a difference for so many lives. Thank you for what you do. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #29
Thank you. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #22
You're welcome, of course. LWolf Sep 2015 #25
Gifted and talented children are found in equal numbers across all classes and ethnicities. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #20
In the 80s, it was LITERALLY an excuse to segregate Nevernose Sep 2015 #26
I don't see how these results are that surprising Egnever Sep 2015 #27
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