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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
15. So let's talk about the "system."
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:57 AM
Sep 2015

I can add some information; I have some extra certification re: gifted ed, and have worked at district and site levels on local plans in two different states.

First of all, know this:

While it's a federal mandate that "gifted" students be served, it's not a funded mandate, and it's left up to states and districts to determine how to identify and qualify students for the program. There is no uniform "system" of identification or service. Across a single state, different districts can identify and serve differently, and they don't necessarily have to accept an identification made by another district and/or state when a student transfers in, although they usually will.

Secondly, in the states and districts I've worked in, identification is always a conversation, at least at the district level, and we're always talking about how to identify those who don't score at the top on standard cognitive assessments. Here's something I've noticed:

I began my career in one state; a state that funded, at least partially, gifted ed. Districts in that state worked harder because of that funding to identify and serve students, including using a matrix of multiple measures for identification purposes.

In my current state, there is no funding at all, and each district carves a small amount out of their general fund to make sure mandates are met...and that's all. It's a minimum effort to identify and serve, BECAUSE ITS UNFUNDED. And, I find that, in this state, educators at all levels understand quite a bit less about intellectually gifted students and how to serve them.

Way back when I was earning that extra certification in gifted ed, my professor was a wonderful, highly gifted, elderly black woman with a doctorate in education; she spent a lot of time on identifying those students who are traditionally overlooked. Nobody walked away from that program without clearly understanding this issue. The challenge was to get districts to listen. I was lucky to work for one that did, before I moved to this state.

Here, it's not so much a matter of listening, as of limiting. The whole system is structured to do as little as possible and still meet the mandates, because there is no funding.

You've probably noticed a pattern here, and it sure isn't limited to gifted ed, or to public ed. Funded mandates are more effective, and you're more likely to make needed changes.

I've served intellectually gifted students from all races and demographics over the course of my career. That might be because my training helps me spot them when traditional markers aren't there.

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I'm sorry is that garbage a real quote? whatthehey Sep 2015 #1
I can only post 4 paragraphs due to copyright restrictions gollygee Sep 2015 #3
The word "would" did not display because it is in brackets. . . Journeyman Sep 2015 #5
Here are a couple of quoted paragraphs JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #6
What our schools need is more testing, obviously. Orrex Sep 2015 #2
It was more the "be" that indicated terrible grammar. whatthehey Sep 2015 #16
Any kid would benefit from being in the gifted program underpants Sep 2015 #4
That's much of it. Igel Sep 2015 #11
It depends somewhat on the nature of the gifted program. SheilaT Sep 2015 #28
The gifted program in my school was a joke Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2015 #7
The gifted grade school I went to was amazing. B2G Sep 2015 #9
let our "secretary of education" privatize all the schools for allegedly gifted kids and the rest msongs Sep 2015 #8
Conflicted ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #10
What state? Igel Sep 2015 #12
Sorry, Missed This ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #14
That's another effect of standardized testing. Xithras Sep 2015 #13
So let's talk about the "system." LWolf Sep 2015 #15
At our schools they do use a standardized test gollygee Sep 2015 #17
That's actually an issue everywhere. LWolf Sep 2015 #18
You should make this issue an OP. The fact that GT are at high risk is not known by the public. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #19
I'll try to remember this weekend, LWolf Sep 2015 #23
Yes this is the problem gollygee Sep 2015 #21
Parent ed is crucial. LWolf Sep 2015 #24
Your efforts are making a difference for so many lives. Thank you for what you do. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #29
Thank you. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #22
You're welcome, of course. LWolf Sep 2015 #25
Gifted and talented children are found in equal numbers across all classes and ethnicities. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #20
In the 80s, it was LITERALLY an excuse to segregate Nevernose Sep 2015 #26
I don't see how these results are that surprising Egnever Sep 2015 #27
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