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15. Faith-Based Goldbricking
Reply to mulsh (Reply #13)
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:29 AM
Now that's what I'm talking about!
Was Pope Francis Actually Swindled into Meeting Kim Davis?
The Papal chase: WTF edition.
by Charles P. Pierce
Esquire, Oct. 1, 2015
The man is a real player within the institutional church. He first came to prominence as a whistleblower during one of the several investigations of the Vatican Bank, which may be what got him exiled to this godless Republic in the first place. Despite that fact, Vigano is well-known to be a Ratzinger loyalist and he always has been a cultural conservative, particularly on the issue of marriage equality. In April, in a move that was unprecedented, Vigano got involved with an anti-marriage equality march in Washington sponsored by the National Association For Marriage. (And, mirabile dictu, as we say around Castel Gandolfo at happy hour, one of the speakers at this rally was Mat Staver, who happens now to be Kim Davis's lawyer.) In short, Vigano, a Ratzinger loyalist, who has been conspicuous and publicly involved in the same cause as Kim Davis and her legal team, arranges a meeting with Davis that the legal team uses to its great public advantage. Once again paraphrasing New Orleans lawyer Lamar Parmentel from The Big Easy, the Vatican is a marvelous environment for coincidence.
(Also, I have been remiss in not mentioning that, because of the way John Paul II larded the cardinalate with conservatives, the pope was surrounded by conservative American clerics, including his host in Philadelphia, Charles Cardinal Chaput, who's really something of a dog's breakfast. While presiding in Denver, Chaput led the movement to deny communion to pro-choice American politicians. And, after this pope met with survivors of sexual abuse in Philadelphia, Chaput reached deeply into the Corporate Works Of Mercy to declare, "In some ways, we should get over this wanting to go back and blame, blame, blame. The church is happy to accept its responsibility, but I'm really quite tired of people making unjust accusations against people who are not to be blamedand that happens sometimes." What a guy! As a pastor, Chaput would make a terrific collection agent.)
Ratzinger's fingerprints are all over this story. Vigano is a Benedict loyalist. Robert Moynihan, whose newsletter, Inside The Vatican, got the story first, is an actual lifelong Ratzinger protégé. And the Vatican press office acted just the way I'd want it to act, if I were the guy setting this up. First, it issues a silly non-denial denial, and then it merely confirms that the meeting occurred. At which point, the office clams up, leaving the story festering out there in the news cycle, and leaving the pope out there in the American culture war to twist in the wind. And, if this scenario is in any way accurate, it had its desired effect. The impact of what the pope actually said and did in America has been fairly well ratfcked.
Of course, this speculation depends vitally on the proposition that Papa Francesco didn't know who Kim Davis was, or anything about her current public display of faith-based goldbricking. I don't find that so very hard to believe; for all the attention it's gotten over here, it's not an international story of any consequence. (Whether he should have known about it, or have been briefed about it beforehand, is another matter entirely, as Dan Savage pointed out on Chris Hayes's program Wednesday night.) And, it can be argued, I guess, that I'm engaging in apologetics here. But the whole thing is just a little too hinky, and I know too well how these birds operate. They've had millennia to get really good at it.
SOURCE (W/LINKS): http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38440/pope-francis-swindled-kim-davis-meeting/
Gee. That article looks familiar.
Thank you, mulsh. That is an outstanding read, usual form for Charlie Pierce.
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Thanks for the link to that article. Informative. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #1
.WaPo says the lawyer didn't see anybody meet the Pope. Octafish Sep 2015 #3
Interesting...knr joeybee12 Sep 2015 #2
Amazing how fast all that good went down the drain. Octafish Sep 2015 #4
He also met with a group of nuns who are fighting Obamacare on joeybee12 Sep 2015 #5
Thanks for the kind reminder. Octafish Sep 2015 #7
So? In his official speeches, he spoke out on the importance of universal insurance. pnwmom Sep 2015 #10
"The Bishops, as a group, are much more rightwing than he is." trotsky Oct 2015 #19
The Bishops were appointed by John Paul or Benedict. pnwmom Oct 2015 #22
OK, but you didn't answer my question. trotsky Oct 2015 #23
The difference in focus makes a huge difference to Catholics in the pews, if not to you. pnwmom Oct 2015 #24
That is true, however that still doesn't answer my question. trotsky Oct 2015 #25
I don't define right-wing the same way you do. If you take some issues seriously pnwmom Oct 2015 #26
Your distinction on governors also fails. trotsky Oct 2015 #27
None so blind.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #6
Tell me about it. Octafish Sep 2015 #8
Going from conscientious objection into actively practicing that objection is a thin line. icymist Sep 2015 #9
That's what I hate about the Truth. Octafish Oct 2015 #11
But that's the essence of the PR campaign that defines his papacy. trotsky Oct 2015 #16
+1 Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2015 #18
Spin, spin, spin...The Pope is a victim! Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #12
Yeah. He came all the way to the USA to talk to Fox News' favorite former Democrat. Octafish Oct 2015 #14
Great article. trotsky Oct 2015 #17
Charles Pierce nailed it: The Vatican confirms Pope Francis was “ratf*cked” into meeting Kim Davis Octafish Oct 2015 #30
Full damage control mode. trotsky Oct 2015 #31
Charlie Pierce has some interesting stuff on this: mulsh Oct 2015 #13
Faith-Based Goldbricking Octafish Oct 2015 #15
Why doesn't Kim Davis object to the Pope? hamsterjill Oct 2015 #20
Great questions, yours. I am a Roman Catholic with fundamentalist Buddhist and Sufi elements. Octafish Oct 2015 #21
Thank you. I agree completely. It is LOVE that matters. hamsterjill Oct 2015 #28
When we approach our individual problems with empathy, we move the world in that direction. Octafish Oct 2015 #29
Learn to love yourself first, then love for the world is automatic. Love is the answer, O! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #32