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Octafish

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30. Charles Pierce nailed it: The Vatican confirms Pope Francis was “ratf*cked” into meeting Kim Davis
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:53 PM
Oct 2015
Esquire's Charles Pierce speculated that Pope Francis had been railroaded by Evangelicals. Turns out he was right

SCOTT ERIC KAUFMAN
Salon, Oct. 2, 2015

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Pierce wrote that we must “stipulate that there are more than a few members of the Church’s permanent bureaucracy, both within the Clan Of The Red Beanie and without, who are not happy that this gentleman got elected Pope, and who are not happy with what he’s done and said since he was.” If you are one of those people “and you’re looking to ratfuck the pope’s visit to the United States, and to his agenda in general, you’d be looking to put him in a box.”

“So, how would you do that?” Pierce asked, before answering, “I’d arrange for the pope to meet Davis, but not as an American culture war celebrity, but as a devout Christian whose faith is under vague assault.” Then, “with the pope safely back in Rome, I’d leak the news to a conservative Catholic website and wait for the inevitable explosion.”

Which, according to the Vatican’s latest statement, is exactly what happened. “The pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,” Rev. Lombardi said.

“Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City,” he continued. “Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability.”

“The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.”

SOURCE: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/02/the_vatican_confirms_that_pope_francis_was_ratfcked_into_meeting_kim_davis/

Great links like to mine, as you know, for democracy, trotsky.

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Thanks for the link to that article. Informative. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #1
.WaPo says the lawyer didn't see anybody meet the Pope. Octafish Sep 2015 #3
Interesting...knr joeybee12 Sep 2015 #2
Amazing how fast all that good went down the drain. Octafish Sep 2015 #4
He also met with a group of nuns who are fighting Obamacare on joeybee12 Sep 2015 #5
Thanks for the kind reminder. Octafish Sep 2015 #7
So? In his official speeches, he spoke out on the importance of universal insurance. pnwmom Sep 2015 #10
"The Bishops, as a group, are much more rightwing than he is." trotsky Oct 2015 #19
The Bishops were appointed by John Paul or Benedict. pnwmom Oct 2015 #22
OK, but you didn't answer my question. trotsky Oct 2015 #23
The difference in focus makes a huge difference to Catholics in the pews, if not to you. pnwmom Oct 2015 #24
That is true, however that still doesn't answer my question. trotsky Oct 2015 #25
I don't define right-wing the same way you do. If you take some issues seriously pnwmom Oct 2015 #26
Your distinction on governors also fails. trotsky Oct 2015 #27
None so blind.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #6
Tell me about it. Octafish Sep 2015 #8
Going from conscientious objection into actively practicing that objection is a thin line. icymist Sep 2015 #9
That's what I hate about the Truth. Octafish Oct 2015 #11
But that's the essence of the PR campaign that defines his papacy. trotsky Oct 2015 #16
+1 Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2015 #18
Spin, spin, spin...The Pope is a victim! Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #12
Yeah. He came all the way to the USA to talk to Fox News' favorite former Democrat. Octafish Oct 2015 #14
Great article. trotsky Oct 2015 #17
Charles Pierce nailed it: The Vatican confirms Pope Francis was “ratf*cked” into meeting Kim Davis Octafish Oct 2015 #30
Full damage control mode. trotsky Oct 2015 #31
Charlie Pierce has some interesting stuff on this: mulsh Oct 2015 #13
Faith-Based Goldbricking Octafish Oct 2015 #15
Why doesn't Kim Davis object to the Pope? hamsterjill Oct 2015 #20
Great questions, yours. I am a Roman Catholic with fundamentalist Buddhist and Sufi elements. Octafish Oct 2015 #21
Thank you. I agree completely. It is LOVE that matters. hamsterjill Oct 2015 #28
When we approach our individual problems with empathy, we move the world in that direction. Octafish Oct 2015 #29
Learn to love yourself first, then love for the world is automatic. Love is the answer, O! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #32
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