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cthulu2016

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5. The fact that born in the US
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:43 PM
May 2012

The fact that born in the US only comes up in one very odd instance, the qualifications for the Presidency, utterly demolishes all birther conspiracies. It was funny watching Chris Matthews get that... you could almost see him "get it" during one of his shows and he has been a fierce anti-birther ever since.

As to the meaning of natural born, I do think it means born within the US. But a lot of folks have argued it different ways.

When the Constitution was written there were people whose families were of the new world and people who had been here five years.

Britain wanted to reclaim the colonies. (We fought another war in 1812) If the USA got off to a rocky start we wouldn't want some British prince with a big box of gold showing up announcing his run for the presidency. Half the voters had been loyal servants of the crown in recent memory.

It makes sense to me that the founders were drawing a distinction between second generation Americans and new immigrants as an indicator of loyalty.

And it took months to cross the ocean. It's not like they would be thinking in terms of someone being born on a layover at a foreign airport.

Was that a valid indicator of loyalty? Who knows. Were they thinking through what would happen if Jefferson's wife gave birth while in Paris? Beats me. (As ambassador, his residence might have been US soil. Beats me.)

It is surely out-moded, but I am willing to accept that the language was supposed to mean born on US soil.

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What Birthers Believe: Review [View all] cthulu2016 May 2012 OP
Wonderfully written, cthulu2016. lamp_shade May 2012 #1
Well, thank you! cthulu2016 May 2012 #9
nice summary maggiesfarmer May 2012 #2
You brought up a point I haven't thought of. SoutherDem May 2012 #3
The fact that born in the US cthulu2016 May 2012 #5
"Natural born" does not mean "born in the US" DavidDvorkin May 2012 #23
And CT Birthers believe in that Jump Room Stargate to Mars story, doncha know... freshwest May 2012 #4
I've read lots of science fiction - nothing about birtherism in there TrogL May 2012 #6
Where did I claim that science fiction contained rightwingnuttery? freshwest May 2012 #8
I think we're talking past each other. TrogL May 2012 #29
If you're not a bagger, it doesn't apply. Don't look for offense where none is meant, okay? freshwest May 2012 #32
Nah, we're cool TrogL May 2012 #33
And Santa Claus died for our sins, but it was the Easter Bunny. hifiguy May 2012 #7
I've never seen a better response to the birther insanity than yours Shampoobra May 2012 #10
Thanks cthulu2016 May 2012 #11
Thanks. Scurrilous May 2012 #12
I've always meant to ask,,, who is your avatar cthulu2016 May 2012 #13
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Barack wouldn't have been a citizen if born abroad treestar May 2012 #15
Can that be right? cthulu2016 May 2012 #24
I remember one of the last few rational Republicans/Libertarians treestar May 2012 #26
Wow... how odd cthulu2016 May 2012 #27
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Did you know John McCain was born in Panama? gratuitous May 2012 #20
And why didn't they need to see McCain's birth certificate? treestar May 2012 #30
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3 whole posts,by smoking. Swede May 2012 #21
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