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3. Unspeakably Crazy

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 12:47 PM

Oct 2015

Time and again, during the Cuban Missile and throughout his brief presidency, President Kennedy was about the only one in the room opposed to World War III.

'Go in there and frig around with the missiles, you're screwed'

The moment general mocked JFK behind his back at the height of Cuban Missile Crisis caught on tape

By DANIEL BATES
The Mail
24 September 2012

It was the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the nation was supposed to be pulling together.

But John F Kennedy’s top generals were actually bad-mouthing him behind his back - whilst standing in the White House.

When the former US President left the room Marine Corps Commandant General David Shoup said that Mr Kennedy was doing things ‘piecemeal’ and needed a talking to.

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But the tapes reveal that after Mr Kennedy and Defence Secretary Robert McNamara went out the room, General Shoup launched into his own tirade - without realising the tape was still running.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207946/Revealed-JFKs-stabbing-generals-mocked-President-battled-avoid-regarded-trigger-happy-Americans-lost-Berlin.html

“We were at war with the national security people.” -- Arthur Schlesinger, quoted by Wilmer Thomas and related to Joan Mellen. SOURCE: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Whispers_from_the_Silent_Generation.html

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Crazy as minks in heat. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #1

Unspeakably Crazy Octafish Oct 2015 #3

Yep. And we still have them today too. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #4

Absolutely. Some of them even talk war while wearing civilian duds. Octafish Oct 2015 #9

Thank you for this background info. We all know that there is $$$ to be made erronis Oct 2015 #18

War is a profit center for Wall Street Octafish Oct 2015 #33

Horrible... gilpo Oct 2015 #21

Thank you for the important history! Octafish Oct 2015 #31

I only wish i got to know him better gilpo Oct 2015 #32

Looking at that photo again, you have to know that JFK was controlled by the brass erronis Oct 2015 #34

Kennedy stood up to them and made clear who was boss. Octafish Oct 2015 #39

Hopefully they'll name the person who issued the order. pa28 Oct 2015 #2

Me, too. I'd like to know who went around the President's back or whether it was an 'accident.' Octafish Oct 2015 #5

The personal facts of the major ow wanted them to launch jwirr Oct 2015 #8

That is a great idea, jwirr. Octafish Oct 2015 #12

Unfortunately at 74 years and limited knowledge of a computer jwirr Oct 2015 #14

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And we knew it was dangerous because that clock kept jwirr Oct 2015 #19

interesting comments on this article. mopinko Oct 2015 #6

Very interesting comments. Octafish Oct 2015 #10

wow! G_j Oct 2015 #7

DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961. Octafish Oct 2015 #11

infinitely scarier than any Halloween story.. nt G_j Oct 2015 #13

I have read Ike's MIC statement many times and each time jwirr Oct 2015 #16

"At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win" MisterP Oct 2015 #25

Wasn't there another incident involving a Soviet submarine commander, during the same crisis? LongTomH Oct 2015 #17

''Vasili Arkhipov saved the world.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #20

Thanks Octafish. It's terrifying to think how close we've come to nuclear destruction!!! LongTomH Oct 2015 #26

Holy Mother of Fuck! Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #22

It IS horrifying. One mistake with nuclear weapons can lead to the end of human life on Earth. Octafish Oct 2015 #28

I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed,... Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #29

50 million killed, tops. Depending on the breeze. Octafish Oct 2015 #37

This concept of a 'survivable nuclear war' has been part of Pentagon and Republican doctrine..... LongTomH Oct 2015 #30

"That doesn't bother some people" A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #44

And in the Atlantic, a Soviet political officer prevented a sub commander from firing jpak Oct 2015 #23

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Thank you, Omaha Steve! Great historic dramatization. Octafish Oct 2015 #40

I do love "13 Days" too Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #43

Either we abolish war, or it will most assuredly . . FairWinds Oct 2015 #27

Peace and Prosperity for ALL sounds so...so...foreign to ears in 2015. Octafish Oct 2015 #41

Simply nightmarish. Generic Other Oct 2015 #36

Every medal, each with a few oak leaf clusters. Octafish Nov 2015 #47

Close calls on the Russian end as well eridani Oct 2015 #38

Oh well. Secret Government plans to survive. The rest of us, not so much. Octafish Oct 2015 #45

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That is an amazing history. Octafish Oct 2015 #46