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Octafish

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11. DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

They said that the best time for attack was "sometime in the fall of 1963," ensuring the nation's maximum nuclear superiority over the Soviet Union. To them, an all-out surprise nuclear attack would end communism, once and for all. The thought that nuclear war might end us "forever," too, must not have occurred to them.



Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?

Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.

James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994

During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.

The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.

But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.

The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.

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http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963



Makes one see where they got the idea for "Better Dead than Red."



The Real Eisenhower: Planning to Win Nuclear War

by Ira Chernus
Common Dreams
March 18, 2008

Peace activists love to quote Dwight Eisenhower. The iconic Republican war hero spoke so eloquently about the dangers of war and the need for disarmament. He makes a terrific poster-boy for peace. But after years of research and writing three books on Ike, I think it's time to see the real Eisenhower stand up. The president who planned to fight and win a nuclear war, saying "he would rather be atomized than communized," reminds us how dangerous the cold war era really was, how much our leaders will put us all at risk in the name of "national security," and how easily they can mask their intentions behind benign images.

From first to last, Eisenhower was a confirmed cold warrior. Years before he became president, while he was publicly promoting cooperation with the Soviet Union, he wrote in his diary: "Russia is definitely out to communize the world....Now we face a battle to extinction." On the home front, he warned that liberal Democrats were leading the U.S. "toward total socialism."

SNIP…

For Eisenhower, the point of amassing a huge nuclear arsenal was not to deter war but to win it. This was enshrined as official policy in NSC 5810/1: "The United States must make clear its determination to prevail if general war occurs." The only meaningful war aim, he told the NSC, was "to achieve a victory." He described his war plan as "Hit the guy fast with all you've got if he jumps on you"; "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket."

SNIP…

Eisenhower assumed that a post-holocaust America would be a totalitarian state, ruled by martial law. But he worried about (among other things) what would happen to the credit structure of the country and how to print and sell war bonds to finance the next war if Washington were destroyed. At one NSC meeting he complained that if the President and the Vice President were "knocked off," the "damnable" law of succession would result in the Democrats (he called them "the other team&quot taking the White House. "To assure against that happening, the President thought the Vice President should be put in cotton batting."

SNIP…

And we ignore it at our peril, because it was a policy that put anticommunist ideology above human life, made by a man who would "push whole stack of chips into the pot" and "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket"; who would "shoot your enemy before he shoots you"; who believed that the U.S. could "pick itself up from the floor" and win a nuclear war, even though "everybody is going crazy," as long as "only" 25 or 30 American cities got "shellacked" and nobody got too "hysterical."

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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/18/7742



Besides those cockroaches crawling out with Henry Kissinger and Donald Rumsfeld from the undermountain secret command bunker, there might not be many Americans around after hitting them with "everything in the bucket," but, hey! As Eisenhower and crazy Gen. Powers said, even if only one American survives and no Russians, "We win!"

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Crazy as minks in heat. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #1
Unspeakably Crazy Octafish Oct 2015 #3
Yep. And we still have them today too. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #4
Absolutely. Some of them even talk war while wearing civilian duds. Octafish Oct 2015 #9
Thank you for this background info. We all know that there is $$$ to be made erronis Oct 2015 #18
War is a profit center for Wall Street Octafish Oct 2015 #33
Horrible... gilpo Oct 2015 #21
Thank you for the important history! Octafish Oct 2015 #31
I only wish i got to know him better gilpo Oct 2015 #32
Looking at that photo again, you have to know that JFK was controlled by the brass erronis Oct 2015 #34
Kennedy stood up to them and made clear who was boss. Octafish Oct 2015 #39
Hopefully they'll name the person who issued the order. pa28 Oct 2015 #2
Me, too. I'd like to know who went around the President's back or whether it was an 'accident.' Octafish Oct 2015 #5
The personal facts of the major ow wanted them to launch jwirr Oct 2015 #8
That is a great idea, jwirr. Octafish Oct 2015 #12
Unfortunately at 74 years and limited knowledge of a computer jwirr Oct 2015 #14
From the Bulletin comments: an Airman who served there linked to this site re Okinawa MACE base... Octafish Oct 2015 #15
And we knew it was dangerous because that clock kept jwirr Oct 2015 #19
interesting comments on this article. mopinko Oct 2015 #6
Very interesting comments. Octafish Oct 2015 #10
wow! G_j Oct 2015 #7
DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961. Octafish Oct 2015 #11
infinitely scarier than any Halloween story.. nt G_j Oct 2015 #13
I have read Ike's MIC statement many times and each time jwirr Oct 2015 #16
"At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win" MisterP Oct 2015 #25
Wasn't there another incident involving a Soviet submarine commander, during the same crisis? LongTomH Oct 2015 #17
''Vasili Arkhipov saved the world.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #20
Thanks Octafish. It's terrifying to think how close we've come to nuclear destruction!!! LongTomH Oct 2015 #26
Holy Mother of Fuck! Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #22
It IS horrifying. One mistake with nuclear weapons can lead to the end of human life on Earth. Octafish Oct 2015 #28
I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed,... Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #29
50 million killed, tops. Depending on the breeze. Octafish Oct 2015 #37
This concept of a 'survivable nuclear war' has been part of Pentagon and Republican doctrine..... LongTomH Oct 2015 #30
"That doesn't bother some people" A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #44
And in the Atlantic, a Soviet political officer prevented a sub commander from firing jpak Oct 2015 #23
Gen. Curtis LeMay ordered intrusion missions trying to instigate Soviet response... Octafish Oct 2015 #35
"THE MISSILES OF OCTOBER" (1974) Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #24
Thank you, Omaha Steve! Great historic dramatization. Octafish Oct 2015 #40
I do love "13 Days" too Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #43
Either we abolish war, or it will most assuredly . . FairWinds Oct 2015 #27
Peace and Prosperity for ALL sounds so...so...foreign to ears in 2015. Octafish Oct 2015 #41
Simply nightmarish. Generic Other Oct 2015 #36
Every medal, each with a few oak leaf clusters. Octafish Nov 2015 #47
Close calls on the Russian end as well eridani Oct 2015 #38
Oh well. Secret Government plans to survive. The rest of us, not so much. Octafish Oct 2015 #45
Singer James Blunt claims he Stopped America From Starting World War III in 1999 MowCowWhoHow III Oct 2015 #42
That is an amazing history. Octafish Oct 2015 #46
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