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Octafish

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15. From the Bulletin comments: an Airman who served there linked to this site re Okinawa MACE base...
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:09 PM
Oct 2015

Lots of background on the place.



498th Tactical Missile Group

Kadena Air Base, Okinawa

http://www.mace-b.com/38TMW/Kadena/kadena-2.htm

From the Bulletin article, Daniel Ellsberg thinks the story is worth formal investigation:



Editor's note: As this article was being considered for publication, Daniel Ellsberg, who was a Rand consultant to the Defense Department at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, wrote a lengthy email message to the Bulletin, at the request of Tovish. The message asserted, in part: "I feel it's urgent to find out whether Bordne's story and Tovish's tentative conclusions from it are true, given the implications of its truth for present dangers, not only past history. And that can't await the 'normal' current handling of a FOIA request by the National Security Archive, or the Bulletin. A congressional investigation will only take place, it appears, if the Bulletin publishes this very carefully hedged report and its call for the elaborate documentation reported to exist from an official inquest to be released from inexcusably (though very predictably) prolonged classification."

During this same time period, Bruce Blair, a research scholar at Princeton University's Program on Science and Global Security, also wrote an email message to the Bulletin. This is the entirety of the message: "Aaron Tovish asked me to weigh in with you if I believe his piece should be published in the Bulletin, or for that matter any outlet. I do believe it should be, even though it has not been fully verified at this stage. It strikes me that a first-hand account from a credible source in the launch crew itself goes a long way toward establishing the plausibility of the account. It also strikes me as a plausible sequence of events, based on my knowledge of nuclear command and control procedures during the period (and later). Frankly, it's not surprising to me either that a launch order would be inadvertently transmitted to nuclear launch crews. It's happened a number of times to my knowledge, and probably more times than I know. It happened at the time of the 1967 Middle East war, when a carrier nuclear-aircraft crew was sent an actual attack order instead of an exercise/training nuclear order. It happened in the early 1970s when [the Strategic Air Command, Omaha] retransmitted an exercise ... launch order as an actual real-world launch order. (I can vouch for this one personally since the snafu was briefed to Minuteman launch crews soon thereafter.) In both of these incidents, the code check (sealed authenticators in the first incident,and message format validation in the second) failed, unlike the incident recounted by the launch crew member in Aaron's article. But you get the drift here. It just wasn't that rare for these kinds of snafus to occur. One last item to reinforce the point: The closest the US came to an inadvertent strategic launch decision by the President happened in 1979, when a NORAD early warning training tape depicting a full-scale Soviet strategic strike inadvertently coursed through the actual early warning network. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski was called twice in the night and told the US was under attack, and he was just picking up the phone to persuade President Carter that a full-scale response needed to be authorized right away, when a third call told him it was a false alarm.

I understand and appreciate your editorial cautiousness here. But in my view, the weight of evidence and the legacy of serious nuclear mistakes combine to justify publishing this piece. I think they tip the scales. That's my view, for what it's worth."

In an email exchange with the Bulletin in September, Ota, the Kyodo News senior writer, said he has "100 percent confidence" in his story on Bordne's account of events on Okinawa "even though there are still many missing pieces."

SOURCE: http://thebulletin.org/okinawa-missiles-october8826



Incredible on so many levels. Reveltory, as well. Interesting times, ours, jwirr!

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Crazy as minks in heat. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #1
Unspeakably Crazy Octafish Oct 2015 #3
Yep. And we still have them today too. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #4
Absolutely. Some of them even talk war while wearing civilian duds. Octafish Oct 2015 #9
Thank you for this background info. We all know that there is $$$ to be made erronis Oct 2015 #18
War is a profit center for Wall Street Octafish Oct 2015 #33
Horrible... gilpo Oct 2015 #21
Thank you for the important history! Octafish Oct 2015 #31
I only wish i got to know him better gilpo Oct 2015 #32
Looking at that photo again, you have to know that JFK was controlled by the brass erronis Oct 2015 #34
Kennedy stood up to them and made clear who was boss. Octafish Oct 2015 #39
Hopefully they'll name the person who issued the order. pa28 Oct 2015 #2
Me, too. I'd like to know who went around the President's back or whether it was an 'accident.' Octafish Oct 2015 #5
The personal facts of the major ow wanted them to launch jwirr Oct 2015 #8
That is a great idea, jwirr. Octafish Oct 2015 #12
Unfortunately at 74 years and limited knowledge of a computer jwirr Oct 2015 #14
From the Bulletin comments: an Airman who served there linked to this site re Okinawa MACE base... Octafish Oct 2015 #15
And we knew it was dangerous because that clock kept jwirr Oct 2015 #19
interesting comments on this article. mopinko Oct 2015 #6
Very interesting comments. Octafish Oct 2015 #10
wow! G_j Oct 2015 #7
DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961. Octafish Oct 2015 #11
infinitely scarier than any Halloween story.. nt G_j Oct 2015 #13
I have read Ike's MIC statement many times and each time jwirr Oct 2015 #16
"At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win" MisterP Oct 2015 #25
Wasn't there another incident involving a Soviet submarine commander, during the same crisis? LongTomH Oct 2015 #17
''Vasili Arkhipov saved the world.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #20
Thanks Octafish. It's terrifying to think how close we've come to nuclear destruction!!! LongTomH Oct 2015 #26
Holy Mother of Fuck! Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #22
It IS horrifying. One mistake with nuclear weapons can lead to the end of human life on Earth. Octafish Oct 2015 #28
I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed,... Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #29
50 million killed, tops. Depending on the breeze. Octafish Oct 2015 #37
This concept of a 'survivable nuclear war' has been part of Pentagon and Republican doctrine..... LongTomH Oct 2015 #30
"That doesn't bother some people" A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #44
And in the Atlantic, a Soviet political officer prevented a sub commander from firing jpak Oct 2015 #23
Gen. Curtis LeMay ordered intrusion missions trying to instigate Soviet response... Octafish Oct 2015 #35
"THE MISSILES OF OCTOBER" (1974) Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #24
Thank you, Omaha Steve! Great historic dramatization. Octafish Oct 2015 #40
I do love "13 Days" too Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #43
Either we abolish war, or it will most assuredly . . FairWinds Oct 2015 #27
Peace and Prosperity for ALL sounds so...so...foreign to ears in 2015. Octafish Oct 2015 #41
Simply nightmarish. Generic Other Oct 2015 #36
Every medal, each with a few oak leaf clusters. Octafish Nov 2015 #47
Close calls on the Russian end as well eridani Oct 2015 #38
Oh well. Secret Government plans to survive. The rest of us, not so much. Octafish Oct 2015 #45
Singer James Blunt claims he Stopped America From Starting World War III in 1999 MowCowWhoHow III Oct 2015 #42
That is an amazing history. Octafish Oct 2015 #46
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