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In reply to the discussion: Heroic USAF Captain Defied Orders and Stopped America From Starting World War III in 1962... [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)15. From the Bulletin comments: an Airman who served there linked to this site re Okinawa MACE base...
Lots of background on the place.
498th Tactical Missile Group
Kadena Air Base, Okinawa
http://www.mace-b.com/38TMW/Kadena/kadena-2.htm
From the Bulletin article, Daniel Ellsberg thinks the story is worth formal investigation:
Editor's note: As this article was being considered for publication, Daniel Ellsberg, who was a Rand consultant to the Defense Department at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, wrote a lengthy email message to the Bulletin, at the request of Tovish. The message asserted, in part: "I feel it's urgent to find out whether Bordne's story and Tovish's tentative conclusions from it are true, given the implications of its truth for present dangers, not only past history. And that can't await the 'normal' current handling of a FOIA request by the National Security Archive, or the Bulletin. A congressional investigation will only take place, it appears, if the Bulletin publishes this very carefully hedged report and its call for the elaborate documentation reported to exist from an official inquest to be released from inexcusably (though very predictably) prolonged classification."
During this same time period, Bruce Blair, a research scholar at Princeton University's Program on Science and Global Security, also wrote an email message to the Bulletin. This is the entirety of the message: "Aaron Tovish asked me to weigh in with you if I believe his piece should be published in the Bulletin, or for that matter any outlet. I do believe it should be, even though it has not been fully verified at this stage. It strikes me that a first-hand account from a credible source in the launch crew itself goes a long way toward establishing the plausibility of the account. It also strikes me as a plausible sequence of events, based on my knowledge of nuclear command and control procedures during the period (and later). Frankly, it's not surprising to me either that a launch order would be inadvertently transmitted to nuclear launch crews. It's happened a number of times to my knowledge, and probably more times than I know. It happened at the time of the 1967 Middle East war, when a carrier nuclear-aircraft crew was sent an actual attack order instead of an exercise/training nuclear order. It happened in the early 1970s when [the Strategic Air Command, Omaha] retransmitted an exercise ... launch order as an actual real-world launch order. (I can vouch for this one personally since the snafu was briefed to Minuteman launch crews soon thereafter.) In both of these incidents, the code check (sealed authenticators in the first incident,and message format validation in the second) failed, unlike the incident recounted by the launch crew member in Aaron's article. But you get the drift here. It just wasn't that rare for these kinds of snafus to occur. One last item to reinforce the point: The closest the US came to an inadvertent strategic launch decision by the President happened in 1979, when a NORAD early warning training tape depicting a full-scale Soviet strategic strike inadvertently coursed through the actual early warning network. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski was called twice in the night and told the US was under attack, and he was just picking up the phone to persuade President Carter that a full-scale response needed to be authorized right away, when a third call told him it was a false alarm.
I understand and appreciate your editorial cautiousness here. But in my view, the weight of evidence and the legacy of serious nuclear mistakes combine to justify publishing this piece. I think they tip the scales. That's my view, for what it's worth."
In an email exchange with the Bulletin in September, Ota, the Kyodo News senior writer, said he has "100 percent confidence" in his story on Bordne's account of events on Okinawa "even though there are still many missing pieces."
SOURCE: http://thebulletin.org/okinawa-missiles-october8826
Incredible on so many levels. Reveltory, as well. Interesting times, ours, jwirr!
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Heroic USAF Captain Defied Orders and Stopped America From Starting World War III in 1962... [View all]
Octafish
Oct 2015
OP
Looking at that photo again, you have to know that JFK was controlled by the brass
erronis
Oct 2015
#34
Me, too. I'd like to know who went around the President's back or whether it was an 'accident.'
Octafish
Oct 2015
#5
From the Bulletin comments: an Airman who served there linked to this site re Okinawa MACE base...
Octafish
Oct 2015
#15
DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#11
"At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win"
MisterP
Oct 2015
#25
Wasn't there another incident involving a Soviet submarine commander, during the same crisis?
LongTomH
Oct 2015
#17
Thanks Octafish. It's terrifying to think how close we've come to nuclear destruction!!!
LongTomH
Oct 2015
#26
It IS horrifying. One mistake with nuclear weapons can lead to the end of human life on Earth.
Octafish
Oct 2015
#28
This concept of a 'survivable nuclear war' has been part of Pentagon and Republican doctrine.....
LongTomH
Oct 2015
#30
And in the Atlantic, a Soviet political officer prevented a sub commander from firing
jpak
Oct 2015
#23
Gen. Curtis LeMay ordered intrusion missions trying to instigate Soviet response...
Octafish
Oct 2015
#35
Singer James Blunt claims he Stopped America From Starting World War III in 1999
MowCowWhoHow III
Oct 2015
#42