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lumberjack_jeff

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233. The definition of liberal has moved underfoot.

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:31 PM

Nov 2015

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The word illegal, as well as the concept itself is racist?
It says more about privileged whites' cultural expectations of minorities.

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When a Racist Restaurant Opens on the Edge of Campus, What Is a University's Responsibility? [View all] marmar Nov 2015 OP

Give me a fucking break. linuxman Nov 2015 #1

Actually, if it's public university, it is their business. Iris Nov 2015 #178

BS SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #190

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick.... ileus Nov 2015 #2

^^^^ THIS ^^^^ COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #28

Does that mean that jumping is pronounced 'humping?' pangaia Nov 2015 #86

For the win n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #89

The university can express its disapproval and say that they deplore the restaurant's racist name. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #3

Yes, what you said. Tipperary Nov 2015 #37

You just hit me with a micro aggression Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #171

lol! Tipperary Nov 2015 #175

Lol yes! DU Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #177

So, because students are aware of injustice, they are "fragile"? Hardly. Iris Nov 2015 #180

The name of a restaurant is an injustice? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #189

They can also state that no university $$ will be spent there (i.e., catering, business meetings) Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #124

Why is it crap? Throd Nov 2015 #132

It's an insult to undocumented people. roody Nov 2015 #207

Probably the most they could do Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #182

None. Throd Nov 2015 #4

The university has no say SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #5

Also no responsibility. WillowTree Nov 2015 #80

Agree 100% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #83

What stuff, standing up against racists? Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #125

No. Throngs of people looking for reasons to be offended and....... WillowTree Nov 2015 #162

More like throngs of people who know offensive when they experience it. Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #212

In Boulder Colorado. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #218

1..why is white owned an issue?????...are taco bells owned by hispanics???? dembotoz Nov 2015 #6

Hmmph. Next you'll me telling me that a "Meximelt" is not a traditional, authentic Mexican dish (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #19

There's a Mexican place in downtown San Jose called Tres Gringos! KamaAina Nov 2015 #21

How is the food? yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #230

No se (I don't know). KamaAina Nov 2015 #231

That might even work yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #232

I hear ya! KamaAina Nov 2015 #234

White owned is an issue because this is a white privilege country. Sounds like the owners randys1 Nov 2015 #115

It's a very successful chain SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #117

Of course I said I didnt know if they were racists assholes, that possibly they were liberals trying randys1 Nov 2015 #155

I'm bothered by overt racism as well SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #163

Because the racist asshole market in Boulder Colorado is so huge. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #220

This is in Arizona, I thought. If it is a chain, and if the name truly has nothing to do with randys1 Nov 2015 #222

This small restaurant chain is centered in Boulder Colorado Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #223

AS a progressive, if I have made a mistake (although I didnt categorically call anyone randys1 Nov 2015 #225

whiny college students with more time than common sense Yorktown Nov 2015 #186

There are Mexicans of European descent, FWIW Retrograde Nov 2015 #170

Boulder Colorado progressives, more like. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #219

It's not a racist restaurant Bonx Nov 2015 #7

Yeah....that story is entirely believable. jeff47 Nov 2015 #30

You're right SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #33

Oh noes, Rollie eyes ! Bonx Nov 2015 #43

Actually, in one aspect, this chain is quite progressive, they post what they pay their employees... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #56

I saw that SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #65

Fuck, I actually want to work there, and I worked retail and fast food, it fucking sucks, but at... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #68

I *think* that figure includes benefits SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #71

True, but compared to most restaurants and people who work in them, especially chains, its on the... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #76

Oh absolutely! SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #79

You know, I hear the Washington R*****s pay quite well also philosslayer Nov 2015 #119

"Redskins" is obviously a derogatory name SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #121

so is "Illegals" philosslayer Nov 2015 #123

Is the name of the restaurant "Illegals"? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #127

The name of the restaurant is "Illegal Pete's" philosslayer Nov 2015 #130

Nope SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #134

You just blew up your whole argument in the first sentence philosslayer Nov 2015 #139

I'm sorry that you are afflicted with a condition SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #143

Aside from being technically true... TipTok Nov 2015 #235

I wonder who is more outraged here. Those who suspect the restaurant may be using a randys1 Nov 2015 #159

Where were you and all the others TM99 Nov 2015 #161

Speaking only for myself SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #164

Faux outrage of the usual suspects. Translation: liberals who point out racism randys1 Nov 2015 #165

I sure hope you didn't pay for that mindreading SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #167

The definition of liberal has moved underfoot. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #233

I believe him bravenak Nov 2015 #176

Not exactly surprising. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #184

Mexicans rarely name themselves Pete. bravenak Nov 2015 #187

So...you'd have to have a family member named "Pete" to make the connection? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #188

Since much of my family IS HISPANIC, I'd have to at least see that it was common. bravenak Nov 2015 #191

Is "Noc-a-Homa" a common Native American name? jeff47 Nov 2015 #194

I am not a part of the native american culture. bravenak Nov 2015 #197

Does it matter? sahel Nov 2015 #228

That makes sense. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Nov 2015 #215

Illegal Pete's? What a stupid name for a diner! Rex Nov 2015 #8

Did you happen to read post #7? snooper2 Nov 2015 #9

Yes and I still think it is a dumb name. Why not Renegades or Rebels Hideout. Rex Nov 2015 #10

Why is it stupid ? Is 'Pete' a stereotypical Latino/Mexican name ? Bonx Nov 2015 #20

Wow I just said it is stupid, are you offended that I have my own opinion? Rex Nov 2015 #168

Because "rebels hideout" is racist due to the civil war GummyBearz Nov 2015 #42

True I guess rebels hideout won't work either. Rex Nov 2015 #169

Regardless of the personal reason - in that place it's still problematic el_bryanto Nov 2015 #11

And if they are that curious they can stop in for a beer or read about it here now snooper2 Nov 2015 #34

Or go to the company's website SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #35

I would think that those who find the name offensive would simply boycott the restaurant. Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #12

How many Mexicans are named Pete? FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #13

None. bigwillq Nov 2015 #14

You see, this is the problem matt819 Nov 2015 #15

I highly doubt this is the right attacking n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #16

maybe not but they love these stories GreatGazoo Nov 2015 #75

They might challenge the place's liquor license KamaAina Nov 2015 #17

Challenge it based on what? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #18

The public safety angle KamaAina Nov 2015 #22

Hurt feelings does not equal public safety issue n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #23

It might, if the hurt feelings erupted into civil unrest KamaAina Nov 2015 #24

I agree, highly unlikely SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #26

"I'm gonna riot unless you force the place to stop doing something perfectly legal that I don't like Lee-Lee Nov 2015 #211

that's a town problem... lame54 Nov 2015 #25

Not on university property, not the university's problem. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #27

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #29

Yes, it is the university's problem. Iris Nov 2015 #181

Has nothing to do with the university. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #185

The restuarant had to get a business license, and that license is provided by the local government. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #31

Except, it isn't racist. TM99 Nov 2015 #38

It is racist philosslayer Nov 2015 #44

No indication the name is racist SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #45

Are you a psychic now? How is the name racist? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #50

What exactly is racist about the name? Go ahead, be specific, about this underahedgerow Nov 2015 #62

Have you read their website TM99 Nov 2015 #107

The Washington R*****s offer great benefits as well philosslayer Nov 2015 #122

Obviously well TM99 Nov 2015 #133

Perhaps, but it is very tone deaf. It would be up to them to defend their use of the term. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #48

It isn't up to them to defend anything SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #51

If th Hispanic Community decides it is, then Illegal Pete's damn well does need to defend itself. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #54

They have had the name since 1995, I would think someone would have bothered to go after... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #58

In one article I read SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #63

Like the whiny students SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #59

Whinny students is a borad brush attack at a whole class of people, being students, and hispanics. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #64

It's a description of the students that are whining about this SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #69

Bullshit. It is a drogatory attack on a group of people in order to disocunt their ideas. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #74

When their ideas are stupid, they deserve to be dismissed. n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #77

When a name is an uggly racist slurr it deserves to be exposed. nt Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #81

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #85

We've been posting about it. No advance warning needed. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #87

Where? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #91

No, we are posting about "Illegal Pete's Mexian Restaurant.... no warning needed. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #92

Sorry, I wasn't clear SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #94

Ths is the one. If you don't recognize it, that is not my problem. n/t Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #95

I don't form my opinions of what is or isn't racist SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #98

Callng studenst and hispanics "Whiny College Students" is a broad brush attack on a group. n/t Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #101

As I said before SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #104

Repeating yourself doesn't make it less of an uggly broad brushed attack. nt Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #106

And repeating yourself doesn't make you right SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #108

Ah, but I don't attack a group of peole with a broad brush. nt Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #111

Nor did I SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #113

But its not, that's what makes the idea stupid. n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #99

If Hispanics and students see it as racaist, then it isn't stupid. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #103

The fact that they disagree with me is irrelevant SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #105

They fact that you think so doesn't make it less than a broad brushed atack against a group. nt Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #109

It should be noted that some students think its racist, also bear in mind this is the name... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #110

Redskins was around longer than that, and that is racist. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #112

Of course the Redskins is, and the iconography of it is also racist, Illegal Pete's isn't racist.n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #114

Hispanics and students do not agree with you. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #146

Big fucking deal SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #148

You know what they say about opinions SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #82

Oh, they certainly do. n/t Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #84

Exactly, and very well put philosslayer Nov 2015 #53

Except you are wrong in this case. TM99 Nov 2015 #102

Take what case to which court? Hrmm? What law is broken when someone gets offended? X_Digger Nov 2015 #199

The use of Redskins was taken to court. The same could be done with this. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #200

You're still pushing this stupid idea? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #201

Well, your not one of the Hispanics or Students. If they are our future, we are in good hands. nt Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #202

Our future is fucked SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #203

That was for a trademark. What section of local code (you know, the licensing authority in the area) X_Digger Nov 2015 #204

Um, that would be SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #205

I have no problem with it Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #32

Well this is getting so sadly ridiculous. TM99 Nov 2015 #36

change the name to Jock Straps olddots Nov 2015 #40

What odd framing for an article Cal Carpenter Nov 2015 #41

From an ASU graduate during rivalry week. rufus dog Nov 2015 #46

The "Illegal's" part of the name made me do a side-eye romanic Nov 2015 #47

I thought the name looked familiar. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #49

So its a chain with a funny name? Could the article in question be any more ridiculous? Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #52

OMFG it's a CHAIN. Give me a break. Helicopter parenting much? underahedgerow Nov 2015 #55

How? get the red out Nov 2015 #57

Not to mention that someone is really reaching to claim this restaurant chain's name is racist... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #61

If, by the time they reach college age, your kids... Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #60

I hope the outrage enthusiasts don't find out about Blackie's in Newport Beach. Throd Nov 2015 #66

Is anyone apart from the article author talking about the "responsibility of the university"? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #67

Considering the chain has had the same name for the past 20 years, the petition is most likely... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #72

America is supposed to be a free country... HickFromTheTick Nov 2015 #70

He's used this name for 20 years SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #78

His chain has thrived for 20 years Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #100

Other than relocating their pep rallies ... surrealAmerican Nov 2015 #73

I would have thought about the name of the restaruant for 2.3 seconds. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #88

Same here SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #93

! BlueJazz Nov 2015 #142

ZERO. hifiguy Nov 2015 #90

The university has no responsibility or authority in the matter. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #96

Owner/founder sounds more like a progressive type. Heeeeers Johnny Nov 2015 #97

Uh, none. NEXT!..... nt Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #116

The author is a professor of Raza studies, so I think he knows racism when he sees it mwrguy Nov 2015 #118

Or he looks for racism in every single thing he sees SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #120

Or he may be a professional pantie-wadder. Throd Nov 2015 #126

Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #128

Hobby, shit, it's a full-time hifiguy Nov 2015 #145

Well, then, where the fuck was TM99 Nov 2015 #135

Here we go with the "whitey vs everyone else" comment. romanic Nov 2015 #141

What about "Illegal Burritos"? ShrimpPoboy Nov 2015 #129

Do you live in a college town? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #131

Not exactly ShrimpPoboy Nov 2015 #140

Isn't it funny? linuxman Nov 2015 #136

Excellent point n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #138

To be fair romanic Nov 2015 #144

To be fair, linuxman Nov 2015 #150

I see your point romanic Nov 2015 #160

Are we really getting THAT sensitive? Come on......nt clarice Nov 2015 #137

When your mission in life is finding hifiguy Nov 2015 #147

Um, I'm offended by that SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #151

LOL. Just a random choice. hifiguy Nov 2015 #153

lol... I call it COS....constantly offended syndrome. nt clarice Nov 2015 #156

And just what the FUCK is that supposed to mean??? linuxman Nov 2015 #157

Just be very careful when using the word "Snickers" EL34x4 Nov 2015 #217

Not sure if it was racist or just stupid Bradical79 Nov 2015 #149

Political correctness goes outrage shopping. 99Forever Nov 2015 #152

2133 views, 1 rec Bonx Nov 2015 #154

Tucson has a history with this Mosby Nov 2015 #158

I wonder how these people even go outside.... TipTok Nov 2015 #166

None... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #172

Exactly n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #173

They have been in business 20 years Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #196

Evidently they haven't been next to a major Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #214

ROFL! Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #221

So if "Illegal Pete's" has existed this long in harmony Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #224

When do these kids have time to study? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #174

Unless it's on university property, their responsibility is nil. n/t tammywammy Nov 2015 #179

Racist name! What was owner thinking? Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #183

He was thinking SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #192

Ok. Time to change the name. Remember Sambos restaurants? Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #208

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #210

Why do these activists want to let right wingers win? Democat Nov 2015 #209

This piece reads like it was written as bad parody. Truthout should demand the restaurant close tritsofme Nov 2015 #193

*sigh* No. n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #195

Responsibility is one thing; I'm not seeing from the article what the University can actually *do* Recursion Nov 2015 #198

No, the 'Safe Zone' for fee fees stops at the edge of Fantasy Land State U. Marr Nov 2015 #206

They should just name their restaurant "Hitler's Tacos" Quantess Nov 2015 #213

Cry bullies strike again Kurska Nov 2015 #216

One of the boats we use in our project is called the "Sea Whore." alarimer Nov 2015 #226

Are they planning an Illegal Pete's appreciation day? pstokely Nov 2015 #227

Hmm Snow Leopard Nov 2015 #229

The university is responsible for educating students Prism Nov 2015 #236