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In reply to the discussion: Missing Octafish today. That is all. nt [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)18. JFK stood up to the warmongers.
One example, missing from history and apparently your awareness, Dr Hobbitstein:
CIA head Allen Dulles and JCS chairman Lyman Lemnitzer counseled the United States launch an all-out "war of choice" on the USSR and China. The best time to attack was 'Fall 1963."
Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?
Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.
James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994
During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.
The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.
But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.
The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.
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http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963
So, laugh all you want. If you really bothered to learn, Dr Hobbitstein, you might actually understand why all the planted evidence leads straight to the communist-looking lone-nut patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald. Going by what you write, though, I doubt it.
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RFK's children stated their father believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.
Octafish
Nov 2015
#37
'Read my lips, no new taxes' is a direct quote by HW Bush. That doesn't mean anything.
PatrickforO
Nov 2015
#39
I tend to think RFK said that because he was being politic as a matter of survival,
PatrickforO
Nov 2015
#42
So, foily friend, what are the "actual facts"? I'd like to see your reply as detailed as any...
ChisolmTrailDem
Nov 2015
#160
Why, my God Octafish! All of those actual things that happened would require...wait for it...
ChisolmTrailDem
Nov 2015
#164
No need for condescension. Show where I'm any of what you accused me of being.
Octafish
Nov 2015
#78
Hey Sid, what you have had to say is unacceptable.. This may get us banned. Honed
7wo7rees
Nov 2015
#143
Bullshit. Calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" is same as calling them a liar.
Octafish
Nov 2015
#66
''Of course, I still wouldn't presume to suggest that you suffer from delusions of persecution''
Octafish
Nov 2015
#89
I'm not eager for anything. I don't like you stating I'm wrong, but not willing to show how.
Octafish
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#100
''...all these persons direct their solutions against the man, not against his argument.''
Octafish
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#138
Show where I ''promote anti-Semitic, or homophobic, or racist writers at DU.''
Octafish
Nov 2015
#168
I never claimed to be right. I said what I posted was true, as I understood it.
Octafish
Nov 2015
#172
For years you've harrassed me, SidDithers of DU, yet you never show where I'm wrong.
Octafish
Nov 2015
#102
The President of the United States is actually a reptilian alien in disguise.
Act_of_Reparation
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#109
Not so. CIA obstructed justice, failing to reveal their ties to Oswald, when asked by Earl Warren.
Octafish
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#200
You literally posted the exact same thread on a completely different topic months ago.
Tommy_Carcetti
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#158
It helps when what you are posting or reposting directly corresponds to the present conversation.
Tommy_Carcetti
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#165
It's "fawning numbnuts". And I demand a silent thread for your insolence and disrespect.
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#155
My position on Ukraine is irrespective of Nuland. It only encompasses the truth.
Tommy_Carcetti
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#173
I know you meant no harm, but a tribute thread that hangs the tributee out to dry
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Remember that douchebag in high school who always made fun of people?
DisgustipatedinCA
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#180