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In reply to the discussion: Missing Octafish today. That is all. nt [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)29. ''Theory.''
The Warren Commission's theory is that LHO acted alone.
Thanks to Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover, they didn't even bother investigating the possibility of co-conspirators. They also did not mention that the CIA had contracted the Mafia to murder Fidel Castro in 1960, when Eisenhower was president and Dulles headed CIA:
So, if the 1960 election had gone according to plan, Nixon would've been president during the Bay of Pigs. From all accounts, he likely would've sent in the Marines, along with the Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard, making Allen Dulles and Meyer Lansky and all their rich and corrupt friends very, very happy again.
AUG 1960: Richard Bissell meets with Colonel Sheffield Edwards, director of the CIA's Office of Security, and discusses with him ways to eliminate or assassinate Fidel Castro. Edwards proposes that the job be done by assassins hand-picked by the American underworld, specifically syndicate interests who have been driven out of their Havana gambling casinos by the Castro regime. Bissell gives Edwards the go-ahead to proceed. Between August 1960, and April 1961, the CIA with the help of the Mafia pursues a series of plots to poison or shot Castro. The CIAs own internal report on these efforts states that these plots "were viewed by at least some of the participants as being merely one aspect of the over-all active effort to overthrow the regime that culminated in the Bay of Pigs." (CIA, Inspector General's Report on Efforts to Assassinate Fidel Castro, p. 3, 14)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/chron.html
Details on the actual sit-down:
Ever wonder about the sanity of America's leaders? Take a close look at perhaps the most bizarre plot in U.S. intelligence history
By Bryan Smith
Chicago Magazine
November 2007
(page 4 of 6)
EXCERPT...
By September 1960, the project was proceeding apace. Roselli would report directly to Maheu. The first step was a meeting in New York. There, at the Plaza Hotel, Maheu introduced Roselli to O'Connell. The agent wanted to cover up the participation of the CIA, so he pretended to be a man named Jim Olds who represented a group of wealthy industrialists eager to get rid of Castro so they could get back in business.
"We may know some people," Roselli said. Several weeks later, they all met at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami. For years, the luxurious facility had served as the unofficial headquarters for Mafioso leaders seeking a base close to their gambling interests in Cuba. Now, it would be the staging area for the assassination plots.
At a meeting in one of the suites, Roselli introduced Maheu to two men: Sam Gold and a man Roselli referred to as Joe, who could serve as a courier to Cuba. By this time, Roselli was on to O'Connell. "I'm not kidding," Roselli told the agent one day. "I know who you work for. But I'm not going to ask you to confirm it."
Roselli may have figured out that he was dealing with the CIA, but neither Maheu nor O'Connell realized the rank of mobsters with whom they were dealing. That changed when Maheu picked up a copy of the Sunday newspaper supplement Parade, which carried an article laying out the FBI's ten most wanted criminals. Leading the list was Sam Giancana, a.k.a. "Mooney," a.k.a. "Momo," a.k.a. "Sam the Cigar," a Chicago godfather who was one of the most feared dons in the countryand the man who called himself Sam Gold. "Joe" was also on the list. His real name, however, was Santos Trafficantethe outfit's Florida and Cuba chieftain.
Maheu alerted O'Connell. "My God, look what we're involved with," Maheu said. O'Connell told his superiors. Questioned later before the 1975 U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (later nicknamed the Church Committee after its chairman, Frank Church, the Democratic senator from Idaho), O'Connell was asked whether there had ever been any discussion about asking two men on the FBI's most wanted list to carry out a hit on a foreign leader.
"Not with me there wasn't," O'Connell answered.
"And obviously no one said stopand you went ahead."
"Yes."
"Did it bother you at all?"
"No," O'Connell answered, "it didn't."
CONTINUED...
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/November-2007/How-the-CIA-Enlisted-the-Chicago-Mob-to-Put-a-Hit-on-Castro/index.php?cparticle=4&siarticle=3
Yet, the Mighty Wurlitzer plays the false tune that Kennedy was the guy who wanted Castro dead.
Spies: Ex-CIA Agent In Raleigh Says Castro Knew About JFK Assassination Ahead Of Time
Former CIA agent and author Brian Latell in Raleigh
By The Raleigh Telegram
RALEIGH A noted former Central Intelligence Agency officer, author, and scholar who is intimately knowledgeable about Cuba and Fidel Castro, says he believes there is evidence that Castros government knew about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963 ahead of time.
SNIP...
Robert Kennedy, as the Attorney General of the United States, was in charge of the operation, said Latell. Despite the United States best efforts, the operation was nonetheless penetrated by Cuban intelligence agents, said Latell.
Latell said there were two serious assassination attempts by the United States against Castro that even used members of the mafia to help, but both of them were obviously unsuccessful.
He also said that there was a plot by the United States to have Castro jabbed with a pen containing a syringe filled with a very effective poison. Latell said that he believes the experienced assassin who worked for Castro who originally agreed to the plan may have been a double agent. After meeting with a personal representative of Robert Kennedy in Paris, the man knew that the plan to assassinate Castro came from the highest levels of the government, including John F. and Robert Kennedy.
The plan was never carried out, as the man later defected to the United States, but with so many double agents working for Castro also pledging allegiance to the CIA, Latell said it was likely that the information got back to Havana that the Kennedy brothers endorsed that plot with the pen.
CONTINUED...
http://raleightelegram.com/201209123311
So, the CIA hired the Mafia to murder Fidel Castrol -- led at the time by the same Allen Dulles. That's no theory, that's fact.
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RFK's children stated their father believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.
Octafish
Nov 2015
#37
'Read my lips, no new taxes' is a direct quote by HW Bush. That doesn't mean anything.
PatrickforO
Nov 2015
#39
I tend to think RFK said that because he was being politic as a matter of survival,
PatrickforO
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#42
So, foily friend, what are the "actual facts"? I'd like to see your reply as detailed as any...
ChisolmTrailDem
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#160
Why, my God Octafish! All of those actual things that happened would require...wait for it...
ChisolmTrailDem
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#164
No need for condescension. Show where I'm any of what you accused me of being.
Octafish
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#78
Hey Sid, what you have had to say is unacceptable.. This may get us banned. Honed
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#143
Bullshit. Calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" is same as calling them a liar.
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#66
''Of course, I still wouldn't presume to suggest that you suffer from delusions of persecution''
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#89
I'm not eager for anything. I don't like you stating I'm wrong, but not willing to show how.
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''...all these persons direct their solutions against the man, not against his argument.''
Octafish
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#138
Show where I ''promote anti-Semitic, or homophobic, or racist writers at DU.''
Octafish
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#168
I never claimed to be right. I said what I posted was true, as I understood it.
Octafish
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#172
For years you've harrassed me, SidDithers of DU, yet you never show where I'm wrong.
Octafish
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#102
The President of the United States is actually a reptilian alien in disguise.
Act_of_Reparation
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#109
Not so. CIA obstructed justice, failing to reveal their ties to Oswald, when asked by Earl Warren.
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#200
You literally posted the exact same thread on a completely different topic months ago.
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#158
It helps when what you are posting or reposting directly corresponds to the present conversation.
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#165
It's "fawning numbnuts". And I demand a silent thread for your insolence and disrespect.
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My position on Ukraine is irrespective of Nuland. It only encompasses the truth.
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#173
I know you meant no harm, but a tribute thread that hangs the tributee out to dry
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Remember that douchebag in high school who always made fun of people?
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