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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
171. Does your support for US policy in Ukraine include Victoria Nuland?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:44 AM
Nov 2015

You called my friend Robert Parry a liar:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026200201

He recently won the I.F. Stone Award.



Parry’s Speech at I.F. Stone Award
October 26, 2015

On Oct. 22, Consortiumnews Editor Robert Parry received the I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence from Harvard’s Nieman Foundation. Stone was an iconoclastic journalist who published I.F. Stone’s Weekly during the McCarthy era and the Vietnam War, setting a standard for independence that Parry has tried to follow.

By Robert Parry

I want to thank the Nieman Foundation for this honor, and especially Bill Kovach and Myra MacPherson for thinking I deserved it. It’s a special honor for me because I admired I.F. Stone’s independent journalism way back in college. I even lobbied the school library to subscribe to his newsletter. Reading it weekly shaped how I came to view journalism, as a profession that required endless skepticism.

And I had the privilege of meeting him once in the early 1980s. I was an investigative reporter for the Associated Press in Washington. I had gotten hold of some classified records about financial misconduct in El Salvador. He called and asked if he could read the documents. I said sure and he showed up at the AP office on K Street. Through his thick glasses, he spent a couple of hours poring through the papers.

Though I shared Stone’s view that journalists should be the consummate outsiders, I came to the profession as a mainstream journalist. But I never forgot his insistence on maintaining your independence, whatever the pressures. To me, the core responsibility of a journalist is to have an open-mind toward information, to have no agenda, to have no preferred outcome. In other words, I don’t care what the truth is; I just care what the truth is. That’s the deal you make with your readers, to follow the facts wherever they lead.

I also consider this award a recognition of what we’ve accomplished at Consortiumnews.com over the past two decades. This honor goes to the many talented reporters and analysts who have written for us. They have made Consortiumnews a place where you can find thoughtful, well-researched, well-reported information, stories well worth reading nearly every day of the year.

For those of you who don’t know much about Consortiumnews, here’s a brief history. The project began out of my frustration with the mainstream news media where I spent many years. I worked at the AP from 1974 to 1987. I was perhaps best known for breaking many of the stories that we now know as the Iran-Contra scandal. These included the first article about a little known Marine officer named Oliver North and – with my AP colleague Brian Barger – the first story about how some of the Nicaraguan Contras got themselves mixed up in the drug trade.

To say that these and other stories weren’t always popular would be an understatement. But they were well-reported and borne out when the Iran-Contra scandal exploded in late 1986. I then got a job offer from Newsweek and felt it was time to move on. Sadly, I had burned many bridges at AP in the fights to push our stories to the wire.

But what I found at Newsweek was even more troubling, an allegiance more to the powerful than to the public. At senior levels, there was a stubborn reluctance to pursue the Iran-Contra scandal to its roots — out of fear that it could destroy another Republican president. This may sound odd, but the attitude inside Newsweek and the Washington Post Company was that “we don’t want another Watergate.” Another constitutional crisis was not deemed good for the country.

So, I left Newsweek in 1990 and worked on some documentaries for PBS Frontline. But it was becoming increasingly clear to me that the space for serious investigative journalism was closing down. With the arrival of Bill Clinton, there was a market for silly, tawdry scandals. But there was even less interest in the unsolved mysteries of the 1980s — old, complicated stuff without much sex.

But a key moment occurred in late 1994 when I got access to the raw files of a congressional inquiry into an Iran-Contra spinoff scandal, the so-called October Surprise case, whether Ronald Reagan’s campaign in 1980 sought an electoral advantage by secretly undermining President Jimmy Carter’s negotiations to free 52 American hostages then held in Iran. After the 1994 elections when Republicans gained control of Congress – but before they actually took power – I saw an opportunity to get hold of the unpublished files.

I got approval from the House Foreign Affairs Committee and was directed to some offices that had been installed in the Rayburn House parking garage. When I got there, I was met by a young staffer who led me through the warren of cubicles to an abandoned ladies room. There, the boxes of files were piled up on the floor. He reminded me that I would be allowed to copy only 12 pages on an old copier machine around the corner in the office. He went back to his seat, calling a girlfriend about Christmas plans and I started ripping open the boxes.

To my surprise, some of the boxes contained secret and top secret documents. So, I volunteered to make the copies on the old machine which kept jamming. But I assured my watcher that I knew how to fix this kind of copier. Eventually, I had my dozen pages and got them out of the Capitol without anyone noticing. I returned a couple of more times to copy more documents. Next, I prepared a summary that I felt would change the history of the 1980s. But I couldn’t find anyone interested in publishing the material.

So, one day in 1995, I was grousing about this state of affairs when my oldest son Sam, who had just finished college, said that instead of complaining, why didn’t I publish my information on the Internet. He said there were things called Web sites. I really knew next to nothing about these matters, but I listened. Sam – though not a techie – figured out how to build a Web site. With the Internet in its infancy, there were no templates back then. We launched our no-frills Web site without fanfare in November 1995 as the first investigative magazine based on the Internet.

The original idea was to provide a home for neglected investigative journalists and their work. I thought I could raise significant amounts of money from a variety of sources, hence the clunky name Consortiumnews. But I soon learned that “independent journalism” – while popular in the abstract – is not something people really want to invest much in. They’d prefer to know how the stories are likely to come out. So we always struggled with money, but we did build a loyal readership who kept us going with small donations.

To my pleasant surprise, I also discovered that a number of ex-CIA analysts were also looking for a place to publish their work. They shared our concern that the United States was veering away from fact-based policies. They felt that this decoupling from reality was careening the country toward international catastrophes. And they were right.

I’d be happy to respond to any questions about specific issues that we have dealt with over the past two decades, from world affairs to domestic politics. But suffice it to say that what we mostly do is take on mindless “group thinks” of which there are many in Official Washington. We are relentlessly independent. That may not make us popular with some people, but I think I.F. Stone would approve.

Thank you.


You do know who I.F. Stone was, right, Tommy_Carcetti?

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Compare any of my OPs to any of yours, any day. Octafish Nov 2015 #10
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What I wrote holds for you and any of them. Octafish Nov 2015 #12
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JFK stood up to the warmongers. Octafish Nov 2015 #18
You say planted evidence, I say factual evidence. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #22
That must be why Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover lied. Octafish Nov 2015 #27
Every bit of "proof" you offer is some crazy CT site... Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #30
The American Prospect is a top liberal publication. Octafish Nov 2015 #32
From your link. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #34
RFK's children stated their father believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy. Octafish Nov 2015 #37
One of RFK's children Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #40
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Someone made a rather humorous joke Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #63
I'm just curious why it is so important to silence him notadmblnd Nov 2015 #132
I'm not silencing him. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #133
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Words in mouth, much? Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #70
Read much? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #73
Except Thimerosal is neither dangerous nor wholly unnecessary. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #74
I've covered that read already... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #76
I have no problem questioning science. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #81
Yes, and it's so objective coming from this blogger... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #82
OK. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #84
'Read my lips, no new taxes' is a direct quote by HW Bush. That doesn't mean anything. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #39
So RFK is a liar like Bush? Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #41
I tend to think RFK said that because he was being politic as a matter of survival, PatrickforO Nov 2015 #42
The photo on your post is unseemly because it PatrickforO Nov 2015 #38
[b]CIA Instructions to Media Assets[/b] Octafish Nov 2015 #47
I've seen this before. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #52
guess it's not only Trump who is the narcissist librechik Nov 2015 #45
So, foily friend, what are the "actual facts"? I'd like to see your reply as detailed as any... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #160
Galbraith is pretty credible. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #36
You are repeating discarded propaganda. Zen Democrat Nov 2015 #174
Didn't you talk about that new book by David Talbot, PatrickforO Nov 2015 #35
About 50 pages left to go. hifiguy Nov 2015 #43
The CTs can get funny though treestar Nov 2015 #123
Bam! MineralMan Nov 2015 #14
The rabid right makes fun of me all the time. Octafish Nov 2015 #19
I've never even visited that site. MineralMan Nov 2015 #20
Because you used to post on Free Republic. Octafish Nov 2015 #21
I'm not currently a Forum Host. MineralMan Nov 2015 #23
My advice to you is what I give them: Show where I'm wrong. Octafish Nov 2015 #24
I don't do conspiracy theories, woo, or MineralMan Nov 2015 #25
''Theory.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #29
And again another one refuses to debate you seriously. Rex Nov 2015 #96
Thank you, Rex. Octafish Nov 2015 #122
Yes. Of course H2O Man Nov 2015 #26
Glad we're on the same side. Octafish Nov 2015 #28
Bam! Rex Nov 2015 #116
I do not care where you USED to post a DECADE ago. I like you HERE. bravenak Nov 2015 #157
And I appreciate that more than you know. MineralMan Nov 2015 #161
Precisely. They really have no argument. Nothing. bravenak Nov 2015 #162
ewwww he did? lonestarnot Nov 2015 #55
Yeah. And that makes me suspect his loyalties today. Octafish Nov 2015 #61
Why, my God Octafish! All of those actual things that happened would require...wait for it... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #164
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #17
Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. Octafish Nov 2015 #33
gd Bill?! wendylaroux Nov 2015 #113
Remember Mark Lombardi. Octafish Nov 2015 #148
It's ok, you're not a member of THAT club anyway. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #167
that is for damn sure,along with maybe all/close to all? of the people wendylaroux Nov 2015 #175
You wonder why people look askance at the shit you post, and you post THAT? MADem Nov 2015 #151
Yeah. Breaking the ice. Like getting ready for NAFTA or something. Octafish Nov 2015 #192
Lol pintobean Nov 2015 #104
A Public Service Announcement about Fukushima and Plutonium Octafish Nov 2015 #147
Why "missing" - is he gone?! or missing because of his perspective on JFK? UTUSN Nov 2015 #7
Great history being discovered... Octafish Nov 2015 #9
This is hilarious. cwydro Nov 2015 #15
Bug People! trumad Nov 2015 #48
That's what I call them...no matter which side they're on. cwydro Nov 2015 #50
It's amazing, what JFK stands for. Octafish Nov 2015 #8
All the "clever" people in this thread times 10 Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #16
You got that straight. hifiguy Nov 2015 #44
I can see only 6 replies out of 66, Zorra Nov 2015 #67
+1000 smiley Nov 2015 #126
+1 Go Vols Nov 2015 #134
Easy enough. Take them off iggy. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #31
DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2015 #46
Indeed it is Sid! trumad Nov 2015 #49
It is like a birthday where opening every post is a surprise Godhumor Nov 2015 #53
For years you've harrassed me on DU, yet you never show where I'm wrong. Octafish Nov 2015 #57
No, for years I, and many others, have shown that you have a propensity... SidDithers Nov 2015 #65
Nice smear. Octafish Nov 2015 #69
Re-read my post... SidDithers Nov 2015 #71
No need for condescension. Show where I'm any of what you accused me of being. Octafish Nov 2015 #78
Did you use those sources? treestar Nov 2015 #124
Like statistics, you can find a source to say most anything you want. Octafish Nov 2015 #135
Hey Sid, what you have had to say is unacceptable.. This may get us banned. Honed 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #143
The cultish worship of any DUer always strikes me as bizarre. That is all. nt. Orrex Nov 2015 #54
Please know there is no cult, fan club, or contributions plate. Octafish Nov 2015 #56
Well, that's really for you to say--it's up to your worshippers Orrex Nov 2015 #58
That's the point: The truth. Octafish Nov 2015 #59
If you think so, then I'd like to introduce you to the "Alert" feature. Orrex Nov 2015 #60
I never said I was the 'arbiter of truth.' Octafish Nov 2015 #62
It's not up to me to disprove your claims. Orrex Nov 2015 #64
Bullshit. Calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" is same as calling them a liar. Octafish Nov 2015 #66
Of course, that's entirely incorrect. Orrex Nov 2015 #72
Now you accuse me of mental illness. Nice. Octafish Nov 2015 #79
See? Now *that's* a lie. I made no such accusation. Orrex Nov 2015 #85
No. That's what you said. Otherwise, you'd show where I'm wrong. Octafish Nov 2015 #86
Show me where I accused you of mental illness Orrex Nov 2015 #88
''Of course, I still wouldn't presume to suggest that you suffer from delusions of persecution'' Octafish Nov 2015 #89
Show me where that's an accusation. Orrex Nov 2015 #91
Those are your words. Not mine. Octafish Nov 2015 #94
They are indeed my words, and they certainly aren't an accusation Orrex Nov 2015 #98
I'm not eager for anything. I don't like you stating I'm wrong, but not willing to show how. Octafish Nov 2015 #100
If you don't like to be wrong, then show that you're right. Orrex Nov 2015 #103
I do. That's why I use sources and links. Octafish Nov 2015 #108
You really don't know how this works, do you? Orrex Nov 2015 #112
Lots there, but nothing worth knowing. Octafish Nov 2015 #118
Right. So saith one of DU's leading purveyors of nonsense Orrex Nov 2015 #127
Nice smear. Octafish Nov 2015 #136
Show me where I'm wrong Orrex Nov 2015 #137
''...all these persons direct their solutions against the man, not against his argument.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #138
If you're making a confession, then I applaud your honesty. Orrex Nov 2015 #139
Where did you post something worth thinking about? Octafish Nov 2015 #146
Yeah, yeah. Orrex Nov 2015 #154
Show where I ''promote anti-Semitic, or homophobic, or racist writers at DU.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #168
See how it works? Orrex Nov 2015 #178
You posted an accusation and you really need to support it or retract it. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #179
Tell it to Octafish Orrex Nov 2015 #181
You and the Tag Team make me want to become a Republican. Octafish Nov 2015 #188
No one can make you do anything you don't want to do. Orrex Nov 2015 #189
''A demonstration of your dishonesty.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #191
All told, I give you about 15 minutes, maybe Orrex Nov 2015 #193
Please link to these "racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic" posts, thanks. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #195
Why should I? I made no claim about racist posts. Orrex Nov 2015 #197
Oh admit it...you're jealous elias49 Nov 2015 #77
So that's the choice, is it? Orrex Nov 2015 #80
Nah. You want to be the rebel who refuses to believe anything elias49 Nov 2015 #83
You give Octafish too much credit Orrex Nov 2015 #87
Obsessive? Octafish Nov 2015 #90
For one thing, you've repeatedly accused me of mental illness. Orrex Nov 2015 #92
No. And you still can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Nov 2015 #93
Not angry at all--that's another lie. Orrex Nov 2015 #97
So I'm a liar now? Octafish Nov 2015 #101
Let me count the ways Orrex Nov 2015 #105
No. That's what you said. Octafish Nov 2015 #107
So you lie and you deny that you lie. How do you have any acolytes at all? Orrex Nov 2015 #115
Yeah, compelled. Like you're "compelled" to post. Octafish Nov 2015 #117
You still haven't shown that you're right. Orrex Nov 2015 #128
I never claimed to be right. I said what I posted was true, as I understood it. Octafish Nov 2015 #172
Thus you declare racists, homophobes and anti-Semites to write truth Orrex Nov 2015 #194
I'm sorry that you got sucked into the quicksand... SidDithers Nov 2015 #95
I'm nearly convinced that the whole thing is simply performance art Orrex Nov 2015 #99
I'm all the way convinced. Iggo Nov 2015 #159
For years you've harrassed me, SidDithers of DU, yet you never show where I'm wrong. Octafish Nov 2015 #102
The President of the United States is actually a reptilian alien in disguise. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #109
I can't. So what? Octafish Nov 2015 #110
Sounds like something a disinformationist would say. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #111
No kidding. Octafish Nov 2015 #119
Conspiracy Theories can't be proven wrong treestar Nov 2015 #125
First off, you are wrong about what we know about Oswald. Octafish Nov 2015 #131
He may have had CIA ties treestar Nov 2015 #199
Not so. CIA obstructed justice, failing to reveal their ties to Oswald, when asked by Earl Warren. Octafish Nov 2015 #200
Welp that didn't take long ... ucrdem Nov 2015 #75
The Warrant Report (sic) Octafish Nov 2015 #106
Interesting. ucrdem Nov 2015 #129
wow Robbins Nov 2015 #114
Could it be Victoria Nuland? Octafish Nov 2015 #121
I love how his detractors mock him but won't dare debate him seriously. Rex Nov 2015 #120
I love how his fawning acolytes elevate him to the status of teacher Orrex Nov 2015 #130
Yeah its just like that. Rex Nov 2015 #140
It's adorable that you think it must be jealousy! Orrex Nov 2015 #141
Octafish posts garbage! Are you OK, or just insane? 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #142
I'll tell you what else is adorable: Orrex Nov 2015 #145
Nice smear. Show where I support any of that. Octafish Nov 2015 #149
The demonstrated liar accuses me of lying? Meh. Orrex Nov 2015 #150
Here's an example of what I have posted that bears on your smears: Octafish Nov 2015 #152
Gish gallop. Orrex Nov 2015 #156
So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Nov 2015 #166
You posted a gish gallop, which means you know that you're wrong. Full stop. Orrex Nov 2015 #176
You literally posted the exact same thread on a completely different topic months ago. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #158
That's right. So what? Octafish Nov 2015 #163
It helps when what you are posting or reposting directly corresponds to the present conversation. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #165
Great. But that's not what this thread has become, is it? Octafish Nov 2015 #169
FAWNING ACOLYTES! REALLY! ELEVATE??! 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #144
It's "fawning numbnuts". And I demand a silent thread for your insolence and disrespect. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #155
Does your support for US policy in Ukraine include Victoria Nuland? Octafish Nov 2015 #171
My position on Ukraine is irrespective of Nuland. It only encompasses the truth. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #173
Why don't you self delete the OP? ucrdem Nov 2015 #177
I am not sure at this moment. I did speak with Octafish this am. 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #183
I know you meant no harm, but a tribute thread that hangs the tributee out to dry ucrdem Nov 2015 #196
Who is Octafish? Where is he/she? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #153
Just a poster on DU. Octafish Nov 2015 #170
Remember that douchebag in high school who always made fun of people? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #180
Pretty impressive post. Thank you. nt 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #182
The pack of jackals insist on advertising their ignorance. JEB Nov 2015 #184
That's a great phrase: "pack of jackals". Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #185
Peace and thank you. So much said in so few words! nt 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #186
Thank you for putting it into words, DisgustipatedinCA. Octafish Nov 2015 #190
You have an outstanding attitude towards having actual discussions!! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #198
I was there not long ago. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #187
Recced. Octa's a class act. nt Mc Mike Nov 2015 #201
Not sure how I ended up back here. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #202
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