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Octafish

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112. Listen in on LBJ and Hoover talk about Oswald and ''Rubenstein''

Reply to CanSocDem (Reply #105)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:27 PM

Dec 2015

Trust us.

"It would be very, very bad to have a rash of investigations." -- J Edgar Hoover

The guy on the left was the one who didn't believe in the Mafia until New York State troopers showed him the license plates from Appalachin. He used a bullet proof car, but never mentioned to JFK he needed one.

The guy on the right was the one who swore North Vietnam attacked the United States in the Gulf of Tonkin and used it as justification to reverse JFK's policy and insert draftee combat troops of the USA into the middle of Vietnam's civil war.

They're the ones who ask us to believe their story -- their theory -- that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

Audio flashback: On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon Johnson and FBI Director J Edgar Hoover discussed how to investigate the mysterious assassination of President Kennedy.

"What do you think of Allen Dulles?"

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JFK worked to keep peace, bring prosperity for all. Others since 22 Nov 1963, not so much. [View all] Octafish Nov 2015 OP

So sad, 52 years later Politicalboi Nov 2015 #1

Secret Service got ordered OFF the bumper at Love Field. Octafish Nov 2015 #4

Don't turn a nice post into some CT shit. Just keep it like it was. I knew you started it for this. Logical Nov 2015 #13

Nothing says 'Democracy' like 'Shutup.' Octafish Nov 2015 #15

Oswald did it. Give up the make believe. nt Logical Nov 2015 #16

So, when you can't show where I'm wrong, you smear me. Nice. Octafish Nov 2015 #21

LOL "umbrella man"!!!! Logical Nov 2015 #24

The video taken minutes before the assassination shows the agents ordered OFF the bumper. Octafish Nov 2015 #47

Somebody should, indeed, give up the make-believe. nt villager Nov 2015 #25

If logical questions unanswered all these years bother you, change your name MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #78

Horseshit he did. He was a patsy. A dupe. A throw-away. trof Nov 2015 #89

That Oswald was a low-level CIA asset is NOT hifiguy Nov 2015 #97

What if it's true though? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #27

You fooled me!! :-) Logical Nov 2015 #28

We have lots of know-it-alls today Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #2

JFK was a Democrat of the New Deal. Octafish Nov 2015 #8

To be a Kennedy Democrat is high praise. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #10

You may enjoy David Talbot's new history, ''The Devil's Chessboard'' Octafish Nov 2015 #11

I read the excerpt of this book on Salon ellie Nov 2015 #14

Thank you, Ellie. I heard him speak in 2013... Octafish Nov 2015 #17

I will definitely ellie Nov 2015 #23

It is essential reading. hifiguy Nov 2015 #59

I caught a little bit of a program today that was running clips of the actual coverage from dflprincess Nov 2015 #34

What I find extremely curious Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #72

Nixon was an asshole, Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #74

What I find bizarre Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #75

It was the 60s, a volatile time. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #76

Yeah, it was a volatile time Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #77

You did not address my other point. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #80

Why would Nixon have MLK and Malcolm X bumped off? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #81

You're proving my point. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #83

How am I proving your point? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #84

There were at least five political assassinations in the 1960s. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #85

One more thing Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #82

What a beautiful song! n/t BuelahWitch Nov 2015 #57

Thanks, Octafish! JFK and his story are really more complicated than his admirers or detractors.... LongTomH Nov 2015 #3

Great nations build great civilizations. Empires make wars for profit. Octafish Nov 2015 #30

A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #5

Thank you, CaliforniaPeggy! Did you read what Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles? Octafish Nov 2015 #31

Thank you, my dear octafish--I had not read this. Pretty interesting stuff! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #35

Phil Shenon on Coast To Coast last night claims Poppy had no connection to the assassination librechik Nov 2015 #49

Prescott Bush was the CIA's bagman in the Senate. hifiguy Nov 2015 #60

Guy is working to divert discussion of conspiracy involving secret US agencies. Octafish Nov 2015 #69

thank you, Octafish librechik Nov 2015 #86

People still love JFK and project their hopes on him decades later. In truth he was moderate. craigmatic Nov 2015 #6

hoo boy. ucrdem Nov 2015 #7

Ok name one initiative he got put in place to help the poor in this country? craigmatic Nov 2015 #12

The Cuban Missile Crisis. H2O Man Nov 2015 #19

Plus Peace Corps, space program, nuclear test ban treaty, and the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 ucrdem Nov 2015 #32

Recording of JFK telling Sargent Shriver not to let CIA infiltrate the Peace Corps [audio] MinM Nov 2015 #56

MinM! ucrdem Nov 2015 #68

The truth about how close we came to annihilating each other wasn't known for 30 years. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #52

New Frontier legislation: ucrdem Nov 2015 #29

Universal Health Care. Octafish Nov 2015 #55

President John F. Kennedy's Civil Rights Address ucrdem Nov 2015 #67

Transcript link and highlights: ucrdem Nov 2015 #90

Turns out he's proposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964: ucrdem Nov 2015 #91

Even after so many years, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #9

I was six, Blue_In_AK. Octafish Nov 2015 #53

Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2015 #18

And all were men of the Left, to varying degrees. hifiguy Nov 2015 #61

I was 11 years old and they stopped school to tell us what happened. JEB Nov 2015 #20

Economically, JEB, much different, based on the suppressed record. Octafish Nov 2015 #96

Thank you, Octafish JEB Nov 2015 #100

never. held. to. account. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #22

Interview with blacklisted comedian, Mort Sahl, 1968 quotes and warnings after JFK's death. Octafish Nov 2015 #98

Gerald Posner said it right. longship Nov 2015 #26

That's what the House Select Committee apparently concluded. ucrdem Nov 2015 #33

Well, all the forensics say one shooter. longship Nov 2015 #39

Depends on who you ask I suppose. ucrdem Nov 2015 #40

Produce forensic evidence that says there was another shooter, then. longship Nov 2015 #41

The doctors at Parkland have repeatedly said hifiguy Nov 2015 #62

Absolute Rubbish longship Nov 2015 #64

There Are No Forensics Supporting One Gun ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #43

Do you mean other than the spent bullets retrieved? longship Nov 2015 #44

Yes, I Mean Those ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #45

Two. They found two, as far as I can remember. longship Nov 2015 #46

Posner the plagiarist? n/t deutsey Nov 2015 #51

Plagiarist Posner MinM Nov 2015 #54

Knew you would have something interesting today! Thank you, Sir! Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #36

JFK selected Abraham Bolden to integrate White House Secret Service detail. Octafish Nov 2015 #101

the 1880s weren't feudal! MisterP Nov 2015 #37

DURec leftstreet Nov 2015 #38

Oliver Stone: JFK conspiracy deniers are in denial Octafish Nov 2015 #104

Kicking... CanSocDem Nov 2015 #42

CIA Dulles hired MAFIA to kill Castro in 1960, yet US media continue to misreport it as JFK's idea. Octafish Nov 2015 #106

When they release all the government documents about the assassination Generic Other Nov 2015 #48

''All of them together will observe the law of silence...They don't want to know.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #107

Thanks, as always deutsey Nov 2015 #50

The New York Daily News of Nov. 23, 1963 Octafish Nov 2015 #88

Except for 'advisors' in South Vietnam and that Bay of Pigs thing.... Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #58

The Bay of Pigs was a CIA/Mafia operation hifiguy Nov 2015 #63

Thanks for the clarification. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #66

Regarding Vietnam: JFK ordered withdrawal. LBJ reversed it. Octafish Nov 2015 #70

Regarding Bay of Pigs: Dulles and CIA did not tell JFK security mission was compromised. Octafish Nov 2015 #71

"This little light of mine..." kick and recommend n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2015 #65

JFK personally selected Abraham Bolden to integrate WH Secret Service detail. Octafish Nov 2015 #73

No, television didn't bring it up... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #79

Bertrand Russell asked that central question in 1964. Octafish Nov 2015 #87

Recced. Thanks for the o.p. info, and for making a space for the info provided by other good Mc Mike Nov 2015 #92

JFK's death changed government policy in matters of war and peace. Octafish Nov 2015 #95

That was a radically big policy reversal, within a few days of 11/22. Mc Mike Nov 2015 #110

President Carter did too. craigmatic Nov 2015 #93

BFEE Safari Club did unto President James Earl "Jimmy" Carter bad things. Octafish Nov 2015 #94

Stephanie's 2-22-2006 UAE and BCCI thread reposted for those that love the truth bobthedrummer Nov 2015 #99

We've learned a lot about money and power since BCCI... Octafish Nov 2015 #108

Who could imagine "our" goverment would actively seek to move jobs overseas. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #102

Lt. Cmdr. Terri Pike, USN, was relieved of duty for doing her duty re JFK assassination records. Octafish Nov 2015 #109

Wow! Thanks, Octafish. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #111

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #103

Needs another kick!! (eom) CanSocDem Nov 2015 #105

Listen in on LBJ and Hoover talk about Oswald and ''Rubenstein'' Octafish Dec 2015 #112

I'm reading the book now, and it's a real American horror show nikto Jan 2016 #113

Money trumps peace. So does power. Octafish Jan 2016 #114