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24. Not the way to look at it, Kilgore

Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:36 PM

Dec 2015

You have to compare us to other actually developed countries, not 3rd and 4th world countries.

Also—I suggest you go to the really poor sections of our cities and you'll see tent cities. For the people living here—we're 3rd world.

Additionally—we have tremendous childhood poverty and food insecurity. We have a high (undercounted) homeless rate—including homeless children—how can this exist in a country that is developed?

We're a new phenomenon on the face of the earth—a once developed country that threw it away for ideological reasons.

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The United States is NOT a Developed Country by Western Standards [View all] Aerows Dec 2015 OP

In lots of other ways too. Everybody is better than us at keeping newborns and new mothers alive. Squinch Dec 2015 #1

Don't agree with your premise Kilgore Dec 2015 #2

Haiti might not be a reasonable comparison. nt elias49 Dec 2015 #5

Hyperbole (Haiti) is the best defense Aerows Dec 2015 #8

Actually I agree with the point you are making, but Kilgore Dec 2015 #11

Kilgore Aerows Dec 2015 #17

Not the way to look at it, Kilgore zentrum Dec 2015 #24

This^^^ MsLeopard Dec 2015 #31

Let me quibble ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #55

"it was determined that the rich didn't have enough money." FiveGoodMen Dec 2015 #67

Hmm ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #68

Greed is an ideology when people claim FiveGoodMen Dec 2015 #69

I think it masquerades as an ideology ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author FiveGoodMen Dec 2015 #72

"Free-market" capitalism and the invisible hand FiveGoodMen Dec 2015 #73

Fair enough. Straw Man Dec 2015 #76

I'd say that lots of ideologies are lies (maybe all?) FiveGoodMen Dec 2015 #77

Indeed, yet they are presented by Milton Friedman and the rest of hifiguy Dec 2015 #82

The ideology of zentrum Dec 2015 #101

Your last sentence is a thread winner. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #60

Have you actually been to a third or fourth world country? Kilgore Dec 2015 #65

But the Clinton Foundation went down there to help zalinda Dec 2015 #75

Thank you. carla Dec 2015 #74

Ayup. hifiguy Dec 2015 #81

Loss of down? n/t xocet Dec 2015 #96

Yes. It's an intentional foul. hifiguy Dec 2015 #97

Thank you homegirl Dec 2015 #98

I wondered that myself. zentrum Dec 2015 #102

We are the English speaking version of Mexico. A perpetually "developing country." hunter Dec 2015 #39

There may be indeed be a Latin American parallel to what's being done to the U.S.: Argentina. forest444 Dec 2015 #54

Brazil may be a better comparison, but yes Recursion Dec 2015 #59

This is exactly what I am talking about. Aerows Dec 2015 #6

Then you need to be a bit more specific in your premise Kilgore Dec 2015 #9

It helps to be educated Aerows Dec 2015 #13

See post #11 Kilgore Dec 2015 #15

Indeed - you agree. n/t Aerows Dec 2015 #18

Comparing apples to oranges TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #26

Haiti might be a good example Matariki Dec 2015 #34

i'm comparing to a 4th world country! nt w0nderer Dec 2015 #42

I can summarize it nicely. Horse with no Name Dec 2015 #3

Which is exactly reminiscent of which regime, exactly, Aerows Dec 2015 #10

hah, indeed Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #22

Not to mention a militarized police force at every local level n/t 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #47

The amount of guns available and homeless people on the streets should clue you in 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #4

It appears we have some serious interior cleaning up to do Aerows Dec 2015 #7

The problem is that the people who run things - hifiguy Dec 2015 #83

Those are dangerous questions. We're somewhere between a developed nation and a banana republic LittleBlue Dec 2015 #12

On the fucking contrary! Aerows Dec 2015 #14

Very true LittleBlue Dec 2015 #19

Ooof! elias49 Dec 2015 #50

The United States is a developed (but rough in some edges) nation if you compare it to other nations AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #16

Squatting to use the toilet is actually a healthier and more natural position. onehandle Dec 2015 #21

I was going to point that out about the toilet too Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #23

Japan has squat toilets eom drmeow Dec 2015 #30

Owning a car is also basically a luxury in Japan AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #44

But it doesn't mean drmeow Dec 2015 #49

Japan has mass transit we have very little. You almost have to have a car in the US. n/t haikugal Dec 2015 #79

You'd appreciate having to use a car if you had to ride in crowded subway trains all the time... AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #89

I have and I do appreciate the time saved as well, however....we need mass transit. haikugal Dec 2015 #91

Squat toilets are extremely common throughout Asia. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #80

Perhaps I should have stated "By Western Standards" Aerows Dec 2015 #20

The first time I went to the Netherlands last year RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #25

As someone said, we have the best propaganda. TryLogic Dec 2015 #37

Holland also has a levee system that prevents tragedies like Katrina/NOLA. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #90

The U.S. does not have universal health care, Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #27

That's simply not true. We have the best medicine sales people. hunter Dec 2015 #66

Nope, it's victorian era England only with Phlem Dec 2015 #28

Indeed. hifiguy Dec 2015 #86

Decaying is the operative word here. Cleita Dec 2015 #29

What we have become is a second world nation. Fozzledick Dec 2015 #32

+1 AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #36

^This^ smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #61

The Europeans haven't had to deal with racism that makes public support of welfare go down AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #33

don't forget to mention the treatment of women--we rank 76th in the world in terms of women niyad Dec 2015 #35

+1 F4lconF16 Dec 2015 #40

You also have to remember that Western Europe focused on making a welfare state AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #38

Germany and Japan lost World War II. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2015 #46

And everyone has been cool with that setup for the most part The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #52

Let's see here. SmittynMo Dec 2015 #41

We have a decaying infrastructure so people believe times are tough.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #43

But they WORKED HARD to steal our money! AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #45

What dump we live in....Hard to believe folks want to live here. ileus Dec 2015 #48

It is a conundrum. But we still have a lot of positives that haven't been destroyed erronis Dec 2015 #94

Its because we have allowed corporations to take over our government and control the mass media. Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #51

Compare the U.S. population to others around it The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #53

The USA is undoubtably in decline for the majority of Americans, I agree. Quantess Dec 2015 #56

As long as the US has no universal healthcare, it will never be considered a developed nation prouddemfromaustin44 Dec 2015 #57

In lots of other ways, too. Brazil is a pretty good comparison. Recursion Dec 2015 #58

If Brazil = same as US 1939 Dec 2015 #63

It's not the same Recursion Dec 2015 #64

It's much safer here, especially for women BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #78

"Apart from death-by-gun, of course." EX500rider Dec 2015 #93

Oops; I was looking at ownership...my bad BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #99

Brazil's cities are much more dangerous than American cities AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #92

Right, about as much more dangerous than our cities as our are than Canada's (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #100

If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... Scuba Dec 2015 #62

The people and corporations with all the money hifiguy Dec 2015 #85

You mean like the Navy protecting international trade? Scuba Dec 2015 #87

Bingo. The highest priority of this nation is hifiguy Dec 2015 #88

I know a public health nurse that visited Cuba . . FairWinds Dec 2015 #70

Last country on Earth not using the metric system GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #84

rec & kick MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #95