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25. I was on the jury on this post and voted to leave it. Why?

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:57 AM

Dec 2015

Because the OP changed the wording to clearly say that both campaigns can be, in the broadest of terms. called a "movement." I was in the antiwar movement in the 70s and the pro-abortion rights in the same era. I am familiar with the term "movement."

Only in the broadest of meaning would I say this. I don't believe that Trump has the kind of people that is attracted by Bernie. Of course not. But I do think that misguided thinking people can be loosely identified with a "movement." It means they identify with the sentiments and the goals of its "leader" (in this case Trump).

I am supporting Bernie. If Bernie doesn't make it I will support Hillary. There is NO WAY I would let an anti-choice candidate become president of the United States without a good, hard fight...

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It appears there is not a lot of difference between ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 OP

I'm still undecided, but I think there's plenty of difference between the language used. cwydro Dec 2015 #1

I edited my initial statement. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #4

WTF? hobbit709 Dec 2015 #2

Ha! Well said! elias49 Dec 2015 #8

The people in Trump's movement exist treestar Dec 2015 #63

yeah, shall we fight for the rights of white supremacists? trillion Dec 2015 #112

Meh. joshcryer Dec 2015 #3

I edited my initial statement. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #5

I don't see a substantive difference. joshcryer Dec 2015 #7

I was speaking to the two campaigns usage of ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #19

We've had that before. joshcryer Dec 2015 #21

True. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #22

I don't mind talk about comfortable shoes. joshcryer Dec 2015 #23

Wow. Maybe you out to watch or read 1 single speach from Sanders and then 1 from trump. The rest of trillion Dec 2015 #113

Please read post #3, #5, and #7 in that order. joshcryer Dec 2015 #126

Oh, wait. I get it. You're the GREEN party doing it's failed rhetoric they pull every election year trillion Dec 2015 #114

Read post #3. joshcryer Dec 2015 #117

Trump doesn't belong in the same sentence with any of our candidates. cwydro Dec 2015 #14

I was on the jury on this post and voted to leave it. Why? CTyankee Dec 2015 #25

Well, it certainly wasn't me that alerted on it. cwydro Dec 2015 #26

I think that the point of it was that we have a, however misguided, force against us and CTyankee Dec 2015 #27

Yes, I do understand what you're saying there. cwydro Dec 2015 #29

yeah, it's why I mostly stay out of GD P. Most all of us get together when all is said CTyankee Dec 2015 #31

Okay, but this smells like Green Party propaganda that both candidates are exactly the same. trillion Dec 2015 #116

I don't see it that way. In fact, I see it as a way to modify a candidate's view (in this case HRC) CTyankee Dec 2015 #118

not you, josh cryer. He's literally parroting the green platform - that both candidates are exactly trillion Dec 2015 #121

OK, sorry, my mistake...no wonder I was totally surprised and dumbfounded... CTyankee Dec 2015 #122

You are completely wrong. joshcryer Dec 2015 #125

Cwydro, I totally agree. Nitram Dec 2015 #30

Aren't you the same person who rails against any claims that "the two parties are too much alike"? Scuba Dec 2015 #6

That only counts if you're talking about the anointed one. Everyone else is fair game. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #10

Yes I do because the parties are nothing alike ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #17

You should change that to "similarity of both campaigns", as that is the only thing. nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #55

You've got it about language. safeinOhio Dec 2015 #9

Both are economic populists with some similarities (anti-NAFTA/TPP) but pampango Dec 2015 #11

This is true. And there's nothing wrong with left wing populism. joshcryer Dec 2015 #12

I agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #18

+1 deutsey Dec 2015 #24

Agreed. N/t JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #75

What ever madokie Dec 2015 #13

I feeling the urge to leave this cess pool mmonk Dec 2015 #15

plus they're both racists Enrique Dec 2015 #16

One of them definitely is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #20

GD-P rhetoric. Rex Dec 2015 #28

Adele - Hello snooper2 Dec 2015 #32

That's among the most superficial comparisons you could possibly draw. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #33

What's your point? tularetom Dec 2015 #34

There's a Huuuuuge difference in media coverage. Trump's wild, reckless language drives ratings. Overseas Dec 2015 #35

This is almost too low to even address. Marr Dec 2015 #36

wow nice wendylaroux Dec 2015 #37

Nice. Octafish Dec 2015 #38

Glenn Greenwald MinM Dec 2015 #50

Heh heh heh. Octafish Dec 2015 #151

I am considering self-deleting this OP, as clearly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #39

You are not sorry Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #40

No. I am sorry for how I phrased my observation ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #42

Oh and you are now 'just know more and better' Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #43

No ... I was speaking about YOU and your penchant for ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #44

Indeed it is Sherman A1 Dec 2015 #156

Or maybe Trump saw the efficacy for Black Lives Matter, and adopted it from there muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #48

Or maybe, it is as I said it was. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #49

I think you should SalviaBlue Dec 2015 #53

Might want to consider an edit to the OP, then. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #57

LOLOlOL You sorry? good one. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #85

What are you talking about? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #86

In every political campaign DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #93

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #99

Right, you had no intention of "offending" anyone on DU with an OP positing a similarity between Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #95

Yes ... That is what I have said, and I really don't careif you think otherwise. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #100

You should have deleted. panader0 Dec 2015 #136

What part about observing the commonality(ies) of the two CAMPAIGNS ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #139

This OP is as transparent as your "tribute" to Manny G. panader0 Dec 2015 #171

Grow up? Me? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #172

Instead of deleting, you might just edit the OP to add this clarification. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #158

silly H2O Man Dec 2015 #41

"We are the change we have been waiting for." Here is an Obama quote 'how a movement happens' Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #45

I was not tarnishing anything ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #46

Politicians and other organizers very regularly use movement language. Hillary, Sep 2014: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #47

One is a movement to the BOTTOM sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #51

They are both seeking votes from the same voter group. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #52

Too simplistic matt819 Dec 2015 #54

They also both metabolize glucose! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #56

. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #59

... leftstreet Dec 2015 #61

Yeah. Okay. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #64

Well, they do. Just another way they're so totally alike! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #65

Just another smart assed kick to my OP ... Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #68

I'm happy to kick threads like this Scootaloo Dec 2015 #69

My silliness ... LOL. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #70

How you rationalize your contribution as something other than irrelevance is bemusing. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #165

Took you 24 hours to find all those words in a thesaurus, huh? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #166

How dare people display wit in deflating my deliberarely incendiary, inane premise! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #98

Just put me on ignore and save yourself agreat deal of distress. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #101

You actually believe you cause anyone here, let alone Warren, distress?? opiate69 Dec 2015 #160

Clearly, ... I must be. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #162

You keep telling yourself that, buttercup. opiate69 Dec 2015 #168

"Buttercup"? I must be a source of distress for you, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #169

No such luck, Batman. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #176

don't be dissing the Batman like that. 1SBM wishes he was the Batman. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #187

100% accurate n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #150

That's the disconnect... I don't think you're aware of what the word 'wit' entails. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #167

at least my posts don't have some kind of annoying built-in echo. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #175

“We need people to feel that they’re part of a movement." Hillary Clinton 9-2014 Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #58

I wasn't aware that HRC had used the movement language ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #66

I'm pointing out a possible double standard. Why am I not allowed Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #90

Come on Blue ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #92

I did not ask you if you knew Clinton used that verbiage, I asked you if it would be right to frame Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #133

You have an "interesting" way of viewing events, and I suspect the world ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #137

++^^++ hopemountain Dec 2015 #183

What is the importance of this observation? sammythecat Dec 2015 #60

Recognize what works? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #67

Plus it's not, anyway treestar Dec 2015 #62

You're a smart guy LittleBlue Dec 2015 #71

Thanks. I will ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #76

Okay. Time for you to join my Forever Ignored Club. nt valerief Dec 2015 #72

You responded to my OP, to tell me that? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #74

The language is in the ear of the beholder Rebkeh Dec 2015 #73

I agree with everything you've written ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #77

Tracy Chapman has been on my list of favorites for years. unapatriciated Dec 2015 #132

I agree but Rebkeh Dec 2015 #145

Wow, that's some deep fallacial shit there! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #78

And....? Comparing Trump to Sanders is like comparing the Tea Party to the Green Party. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #79

There ARE some like characteristics ... though the T/P has been far more effective. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #80

Sure. Just as there are like characteristics between whales and field mice. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #82

Yes, there are overwhelming differences. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #84

Obama referenced his movement in the second paragraph of this speech - Vinca Dec 2015 #81

Hillary does it too, but we are not supposed to mention those facts nor the glaring Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #91

Clearly people think 'a movement' is needed. This is our chance to be on the correct side of it. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #83

I would urge the Sanders supporters to NOT attend Trump events Gothmog Dec 2015 #87

Bernie Sanders Wants Trump Voters Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #88

I've noticed the same thing gwheezie Dec 2015 #89

They both have teeth, and feet. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #94

Ohhh, I felt the bern!!!!!!! eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #106

a moon launch involves movement, and so does a plane crash Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #96

PWD? eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #107

. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #97

I have asked before; but, never quite, get an answer ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #108

A wise poster here once told me... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #119

A wise; but, anonymous interneter, once wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #120

That's simply inaccurate. Sanders has a great deal of support based on other issues and it is all Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #134

I don't believe it to be innacurrate with respect to the base of his support in any way. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #135

It is inaccurate and basically a string of unsupported and bigoted tropes. You offer nothing but Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #140

"blurted out with a religious certainty " What? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #141

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #143

A swing and a miss! That was a fun jury to serve on. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #146

At least this jury was paying attention. Too many get hidden for nonsense. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #148

He shoots!!! He misses!!!!! wendylaroux Dec 2015 #102

Nope. There's not, 1SBM. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #103

Thanks all for the laughs in this thread. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #104

Thank you ... I guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #110

This post is a movement... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #105

Ohhh, I felt the bern with that! You're a witty one!!!!!! eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #111

uh no. Not AT ALL. Have you never listened to a word Bernie has said or looked at his record? trillion Dec 2015 #109

I'm not talking about the policies underlying the the respective campaigns ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #115

Brief, simple messages delivered forcefully Hortensis Dec 2015 #123

And this ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #124

In my mind inevitably through the whole post. Hortensis Dec 2015 #177

Yes Cruz is a threat that has me worried ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #185

Cruz himself is currently pushing the "liberal fascism" lie hard, Hortensis Dec 2015 #191

Of course, You are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #193

How about the right newly mobilized to even more Hortensis Dec 2015 #194

sorry,but not only is that claim blatantly false, it's also plain old nutty. cali Dec 2015 #127

hillary is running a 'give me what is mine you fucking peons' campaign. That is all. bowens43 Dec 2015 #128

This OP has nothing to do with HRC. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #130

That's because you left her use of the word 'movement' about her own campaign. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #138

That is because ... for the fourth time ... I was unaware of HRC's usage of the movement langauge .. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #142

So what? Only one of them has a record of being full of shit... JHB Dec 2015 #129

Both, the Bernie campaign AND the trump campaign are high-energy ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #131

Well, since they're chasing the same demographic, I don't find it strange at all. Sickening...yes. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #144

As I had mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #147

Frankly, I never listen to BS. I don't do the whole demagogue thing, but I've watched as his... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #149

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #153

Not interested. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #155

So candidates shouldn't reach out to people they disagree with and try to change their minds? Vinca Dec 2015 #161

Yes ... it is proving a useful, and helpful, tactic for a candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #164

Apparently you didn't quite get my point. Vinca Dec 2015 #173

I get your point precisely ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #174

Oh good heavens. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Vinca Dec 2015 #182

Of course it is; but, all evidence suggests ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #186

You have no evidence at all. Jim Lane Dec 2015 #189

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #192

this nasty thread still up? wendylaroux Dec 2015 #152

Am I allowed to say Hillary is running the same campaign Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #154

You are smarter than this n2doc Dec 2015 #157

No it is not FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #170

I used to like and respect your posts Matariki Dec 2015 #159

I'm way ahead of you n/t MissDeeds Dec 2015 #163

Nothing wrong with his post. He is just making an observation Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #178

No, that is not what he's doing. Matariki Dec 2015 #179

When I make a less offensive observation than that my posts are hidden. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #180

Both are populists and running contrary to the wishes of their respective party power brokers Warpy Dec 2015 #181

Not a lot of difference because of one similarity? RedCappedBandit Dec 2015 #184

When a capitalist pig like trump speaks of "movement" it means only one thing... countryjake Dec 2015 #188

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