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Octafish

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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:13 PM Dec 2015

Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up [View all]

History that helps explain how today's America came to be or news without complete context to comfort the afflicted without really costing anybody (who matters) a thing.


[font size="1"]Former Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles, President John F. Kennedy, newly-appointed DCI John McCone.[/font size]



Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up

John McCone was long suspected of withholding information from the Warren Commission. Now even the CIA says he did.


By Philip Shenon
Politico, October 06, 2015

John McCone came to the CIA as an outsider. An industrialist and an engineer by training, he replaced veteran spymaster Allen Dulles as director of central intelligence in November 1961, after John F. Kennedy had forced out Dulles following the CIA’s bungled operation to oust Fidel Castro by invading Cuba’s Bay of Pigs. McCone had one overriding mission: restore order at the besieged CIA. Kennedy hoped his management skills might prevent a future debacle, even if the Californian—mostly a stranger to the clubby, blue-blooded world of the men like Dulles who had always run the spy agency—faced a steep learning curve.

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But did McCone come close to perjury all those decades ago? Did the onetime Washington outsider in fact hide agency secrets that might still rewrite the history of the assassination? Even the CIA is now willing to raise these questions. Half a century after JFK’s death, in a once-secret report written in 2013 by the CIA’s top in-house historian and quietly declassified last fall, the spy agency acknowledges what others were convinced of long ago: that McCone and other senior CIA officials were “complicit” in keeping “incendiary” information from the Warren Commission.

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Robarge suggests the CIA is responsible for some of the harsh criticism commonly leveled at the Warren Commission for large gaps in its investigation of the president’s murder, including its failure to identify Oswald’s motive in the assassination and to pursue evidence that might have tied Oswald to accomplices outside the United States. For decades, opinion polls have shown that most Americans reject the commission’s findings and believe Oswald did not act alone. Four of the seven commissioners were members of Congress, and they spent the rest of their political careers badgered by accusations that they had been part of a coverup.

“The decision of McCone and Agency leaders in 1964 not to disclose information about CIA’s anti-Castro schemes might have done more to undermine the credibility of the commission than anything else that happened while it was conducting its investigation,” the report reads. “In that sense—and in that sense alone—McCone may be regarded as a ‘co-conspirator’ in the JFK assassination ‘cover-up.’”
If there was, indeed, a CIA “cover-up,” a member of the Warren Commission was apparently in on it: Allen Dulles, McCone’s predecessor, who ran the CIA when the spy agency hatched the plots to kill Castro. “McCone does not appear to have any explicit, special understanding with Allen Dulles,” the 2013 report says. Still, McCone could “rest assured that his predecessor would keep a dutiful watch over Agency equities and work to keep the commission from pursuing provocative lines of investigation, such as lethal anti-Castro covert actions.” (Johnson appointed Dulles to the commission at the recommendation of then-Attorney General Robert Kennedy.)

The 2013 report also draws attention to the contacts between McCone and Robert Kennedy in the days after the assassination. In the wake of the Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961, the attorney general was asked by his brother, the president, to direct the administration’s secret war against Castro, and Robert Kennedy’s friends and family acknowledged years later that he never stopped fearing that Castro was behind his brother’s death. “McCone had frequent contact with Robert Kennedy during the painful days after the assassination,” the report says. “Their communication appears to have been verbal, informal and, evidently in McCone’s estimation, highly personal; no memoranda or transcripts exist or are known to have been made.”

“Because Robert Kennedy had overseen the Agency’s anti-Castro covert actions—including some of the assassination plans—his dealings with McCone about his brother’s murder had a special gravity,” the report continues. “Did Castro kill the president because the president had tried to kill Castro? Had the administration’s obsession with Cuba inadvertently inspired a politicized sociopath to murder John Kennedy?”

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/jfk-assassination-john-mccone-warren-commission-cia-213197



DUer MinM found on the DUer John Simkin's Education Forum what John Newman wrote regarding the importance of Mr. Shenon's parenthetical statement saying RFK recommended Dulles to serve on the Warren Commission:



Shenon’s latest piece in Politico (“Yes the CIA Director was Part of the JFK Assassination Coverup”) is a continuation of the newest stage—begun in 2013—of the propaganda campaign to convince Americans that Robert Kennedy got his brother John killed and then worked to cover it up. The genesis of this new stage was a call from a Warren Commission lawyer to Shenon, who then fed Shenon and used him as the mouthpiece for this outrageous scheme. The Castro-did-it propaganda was part of the true coverup of the plot to kill JFK, and it was in play even before the shots were fired in Dallas. But I knew when I read Shenon’s 2015 paper edition of his book, A Cruel and Shocking Act, that we would be facing a newer, carefully orchestrated campaign to stick it to the Kennedys right at the time when the battle lines are being drawn to force the release—as required by the JFK Records Act—of the remaining JFK records by October 2017. Now, Shenon takes a recently released internal CIA analysis (which also dates to 2013) about DCI McCone blocking the CIA’s anti-Castro plots from the Warren Commission, and uses it to bolster his (Shenon’s) baleful version of history. I will comment on that (David Robarge’s) analysis after thoroughly reading it. Shenon’s Politico piece ends by restating a myth he hopes to make stick: that President Johnson appointed former DCI Allen Dulles to the Warren Commission “at the recommendation of then Attorney General Robert Kennedy.” I will hold back here on commenting about this fabrication because David Talbot’s new book, The Devil’s Chessboard, (to be released next week) so thoroughly (pp. 572-574) demolishes it

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22318



Professional Grade Perception Management, especially when considering that the CIA hired Mafia in 1960 when Eisenhower was president, not Kennedy, and Nixon was thought to be the next president.



AUG 1960: Richard Bissell meets with Colonel Sheffield Edwards, director of the CIA's Office of Security, and discusses with him ways to eliminate or assassinate Fidel Castro. Edwards proposes that the job be done by assassins hand-picked by the American underworld, specifically syndicate interests who have been driven out of their Havana gambling casinos by the Castro regime. Bissell gives Edwards the go-ahead to proceed. Between August 1960, and April 1961, the CIA with the help of the Mafia pursues a series of plots to poison or shot Castro. The CIA’s own internal report on these efforts states that these plots "were viewed by at least some of the participants as being merely one aspect of the over-all active effort to overthrow the regime that culminated in the Bay of Pigs." (CIA, Inspector General's Report on Efforts to Assassinate Fidel Castro, p. 3, 14)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/chron.html



So. If this is all ancient history, as some have asked over the years, why do so many bits and pieces of the story continue to find the light of day and make news? For instance, this intriguing history on the Bush connection from one of the nation's best known political science professors, Larry J. Sabato, author of "The Kennedy Half-Century: The Presidency, Assassination, and Lasting Legacy of John F. Kennedy," in April 1969, Prescott Bush wrote Clover Dulles regarding the change in leadership at CIA almost 8 years earlier:

I recall in the summer of 1961, after the ill-fated Bay of Pigs affair, you were away and we called Allen to come for supper, and he accepted. That afternoon he called and asked if he could bring a friend, and we said "surely." So he brought John McCone, whom we had known well, but had not thought of as a particular friend of Allen's. But Allen broke the ice promptly, and said, in good spirit, that he wanted us to meet his successor. The announcement came (the) next day. We tried to make a pleasant evening of it, but I was rather sick at heart, and angry too, for it was the Kennedys that brought about the fiasco. And here they were making Allen seem to be the goat, which he wasn't and did not deserve. I have never forgiven them. (Misspellings corrected here.)

SOURCE p. 368 online:

https://books.google.com/books?id=X7OnBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA368&lpg=PA368&dq=john+mccone+%2B+prescott+bush&source=bl&ots=dJAjiC_h6D&sig=fkfjmBYhc8KD3Relu4Vc93mEyCo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBmoVChMInOeZgovAyAIVBpiACh0JnAxi#v=onepage&q=john%20mccone%20%2B%20prescott%20bush&f=false


Clearly shows how the players, like the aspens, look like a forest of individual trees above ground, but really are connected by their roots underground.
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Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #1
You are most welcome, H2O Man! Octafish Dec 2015 #2
I like to remember H2O Man Dec 2015 #4
Great memory, yours. Octafish Dec 2015 #8
Wow, your link at the bottom of post (tag line?) is truly arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #31
Vincent Salandria was on the case, starting Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Dec 2015 #35
I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts. arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #46
You are most welcome, arthritisR_US! Octafish Dec 2015 #52
Another rec. Don't stop doing this Octafish. panader0 Dec 2015 #3
Thank you, panader0! Octafish Dec 2015 #5
There's a forum for this edhopper Dec 2015 #6
Please, show what's speculation. Octafish Dec 2015 #7
pleas discuss edhopper Dec 2015 #9
So, you can't show what's speculation. Octafish Dec 2015 #10
okay then edhopper Dec 2015 #12
Funny. I never thought I needed your permission. Octafish Dec 2015 #16
Didn't intend it that way. edhopper Dec 2015 #17
+1000 & k&r nationalize the fed Dec 2015 #41
Duppy Conqueror Octafish Dec 2015 #127
The OP is not H2O Man Dec 2015 #14
That's why we have forums for this edhopper Dec 2015 #15
DU:GD H2O Man Dec 2015 #20
same to you. edhopper Dec 2015 #22
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2015 #23
I love some of the non political discussions edhopper Dec 2015 #25
The title of the OP. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #11
What's wrong with it? Octafish Dec 2015 #13
Actually no the title reflects the context. Rex Dec 2015 #19
Please SHOW absolute proof. It is all shit rehashed for 50 years. nt Logical Dec 2015 #81
You call me obsessed, yet all you got is ad hominem. Octafish Dec 2015 #96
There is a forum for this. And it is not GD. nt Logical Dec 2015 #97
Some posters are exempt from Forum SOPs...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #50
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t etherealtruth Dec 2015 #56
Ad hominem shows all you know is smear. Octafish Dec 2015 #73
Truly... some really are... nt villager Dec 2015 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #62
I would disagree that it is edhopper Dec 2015 #72
So what, exactly, do you find wrong with the OP? Octafish Dec 2015 #75
The topic is edhopper Dec 2015 #79
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden. Octafish Dec 2015 #80
look edhopper Dec 2015 #84
He loves the CS shit. An obsession. nt Logical Dec 2015 #82
Speaking of obsessed... Octafish Dec 2015 #85
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the.... Logical Dec 2015 #86
I didn't ask you to prove anything - just to support your contentions. Octafish Dec 2015 #92
The burden of proof is on the person making a nutty claim. nt Logical Dec 2015 #95
So, it should be easy for you. Yet, you don't. That's telling. Octafish Dec 2015 #98
For god sake, then why isn't the fact the CIA killed Kennedy on the.... Logical Dec 2015 #99
Nice disinformation. Where did you get the CIA killed Kennedy? Octafish Dec 2015 #100
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery Zen Democrat Dec 2015 #128
Here's video that shows Secret Service ordered off JFK's limousine. Octafish Dec 2015 #140
thank you, edhopper! librechik Dec 2015 #115
Your welcome edhopper Dec 2015 #118
The CIA sits on its secrets hoping enough time will pass Rex Dec 2015 #18
I agree H2O Man Dec 2015 #21
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale. Octafish Dec 2015 #24
I feel like crying. I wonder if we can ever change this world jwirr Dec 2015 #26
That feeling of powerlessness... Octafish Dec 2015 #27
Once again thank you. I really do understand this and try jwirr Dec 2015 #28
Beethoven. Octafish Dec 2015 #37
I had no idea that is where he got this. That is totally inspiring. jwirr Dec 2015 #40
The guy was a Democrat before there was a Party. Octafish Dec 2015 #55
Good way to start the morning. We are part of a very long jwirr Dec 2015 #58
Amazing. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #47
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio) Octafish Dec 2015 #57
This IS inspiring. SalviaBlue Dec 2015 #119
Am I the only one that was not involved in the JFK assassination plot? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #29
Were you director of the CIA? Octafish Dec 2015 #32
This shit is just like 9/11 truthers. So old and so wrong. nt Logical Dec 2015 #64
No, I'm not involved either treestar Dec 2015 #68
I'm your age, but I don't remember the 1960's cpwm17 Dec 2015 #88
Nixon is the first one I remember too treestar Dec 2015 #89
Unti the CIA papers are Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #30
Agree completely. Octafish Dec 2015 #42
The Russians have more info than the Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #45
Sad to say I wrote this on DU in 2005... Octafish Dec 2015 #54
Boyhood Bud did Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #63
KickandRecommend!! elias49 Dec 2015 #33
What the Warren Commission Didn’t Know Octafish Dec 2015 #60
K&R #20 bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #34
Thank you for keeping that most important history alive. Octafish Dec 2015 #61
Octakick. . . . . n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #36
Coming from you, that means a lot... Octafish Dec 2015 #66
lol - you crack me up . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #87
I'm not sure rsexaminer Dec 2015 #38
POLITICO as the fountainhead for this story is interesting, too. Octafish Dec 2015 #67
K&R Important stuff. JEB Dec 2015 #39
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin. Octafish Dec 2015 #69
Yes, Bush 41 was CIA at the time, and yes, he was in Dallas. KamaAina Dec 2015 #43
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee. Octafish Dec 2015 #70
The smoking gun! KamaAina Dec 2015 #74
It really bothers some people when it gets mentioned. Octafish Dec 2015 #141
Well, what does he care? He's Canadian. KamaAina Dec 2015 #143
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved. Octafish Dec 2015 #71
Three levels of information Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #133
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City Octafish Dec 2015 #145
K&R nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #48
The Disinformation Continues to the Present Day Octafish Dec 2015 #77
Kickin' the Sat mornin' history lesson. CanSocDem Dec 2015 #49
Lots more to learn. For instance, FBI and CIA continue to obstruct Justice. Octafish Dec 2015 #83
Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Dec 2015 #51
You are most welcome, cantbeserious! Octafish Dec 2015 #90
Thanks Octafish. Your posts are important to me! haikugal Dec 2015 #53
Here's a truly important source of information: ABRAHAM BOLDEN. Octafish Dec 2015 #101
Oswald acted alone. Sometimes people get lucky! You love CS shit. nt Logical Dec 2015 #59
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion. Octafish Dec 2015 #102
The ONE ARMED MAN Did it!!!!!! nt Logical Dec 2015 #65
What is your problem? Octafish Dec 2015 #103
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt Logical Dec 2015 #105
No, we don't know ''who did it.'' Octafish Dec 2015 #114
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be.... Logical Dec 2015 #116
Who's ''gullible,'' really? Octafish Dec 2015 #121
You also need to investigate this also...... Logical Dec 2015 #124
George deMohrenschildt knew both Lee Harvey Oswald and George H.W. Bush. Octafish Dec 2015 #125
Excellent...KNR Hepburn Dec 2015 #78
Allen Dulles in WC secret session said that was to be expected. Octafish Dec 2015 #104
K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #91
Thanks, AzDar! You know how different this world would be... Octafish Dec 2015 #107
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread mountain grammy Dec 2015 #93
Thank you for sharing that amazing and important history, mountain grammy. Octafish Dec 2015 #108
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #94
JFK debunker John McAdams hosts one of those... Octafish Dec 2015 #110
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin: cpwm17 Dec 2015 #106
The hilarious thing, here: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #109
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2015 #123
Hardly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #134
I don't believe it was any kind of conspiracy, cpwm17 Dec 2015 #135
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald. Octafish Dec 2015 #112
Retired FBI Special Agent Don Adams interviewed Joseph Adams Milteer... Octafish Dec 2015 #131
Great Post. K and R. PCIntern Dec 2015 #111
The Warrant Report Octafish Dec 2015 #113
I find Shenon a troublesome source. librechik Dec 2015 #117
A Thank You to Phil Shenon from Dan Hardway Octafish Dec 2015 #120
K&R G_j Dec 2015 #122
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise. Octafish Dec 2015 #130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating randys1 Dec 2015 #126
The thing missing from the coverage: Context. Octafish Dec 2015 #136
K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #129
The CIA Keeps (Accidentally) Legitimizing JFK Conspiracy Theories Octafish Dec 2015 #137
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #138
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Dec 2015 #132
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America Octafish Dec 2015 #139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America... Octafish Dec 2015 #148
The CIA had every reason to hide Operation Mongoose from KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #142
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up? Octafish Dec 2015 #144
Let us begin with a fact about LHO : he was a firm believer in and KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #146
Good analysis, based on the story as reported by FBI/CIA. Ignored was CIA monitoring Oswald... Octafish Dec 2015 #147
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. Bookmark. JEB Dec 2015 #149
Richard Helms obstructed Justice in 1964...CIA still does... Octafish Jan 2016 #150
Sounds good to me... JEB Jan 2016 #152
Kicking So we never forget. n/t Hotler Jan 2016 #151
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