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In reply to the discussion: Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)55. The guy was a Democrat before there was a Party.
Goethe seems to have better "understood" his place in the pyamid.
Goethes social attitudes, like his musical tastes, were shaped in a more formal age. For Beethoven, 21 years his junior, the only true aristocrats were artists. In the mythology, his disillusionment was clinched by Goethes behaviour when they encountered royalty in the street, as reported 20 years later by Bettina: "Beethoven said to Goethe: 'keep walking as you have until now, holding my arm, they must make way for us, not the other way around. Goethe thought differently; he drew his hand, took off his hat and stepped aside, while Beethoven, hands in pockets, went right through the dukes and their cortege... They drew aside to make way for him, saluting him in friendly fashion. Waiting for Goethe who had let the dukes pass, Beethoven told him: I have waited for you because I respect you and I admire your work, but you have shown too much esteem to those people.
SOURCE: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/a-meeting-of-genius-beethoven-and-goethe-july-1812?pmtx=most-popular&utm_expid=32540977-5.-DEFmKXoQdmXwfDwHzJRUQ.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
SOURCE: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/a-meeting-of-genius-beethoven-and-goethe-july-1812?pmtx=most-popular&utm_expid=32540977-5.-DEFmKXoQdmXwfDwHzJRUQ.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
The composer Luigi Cherubini compared Beethoven to an "unlicked bear cub.'
"Like to a chaos, or an unlicked bear-whelp,
That carries no impression like the dam."
Shakespeare:3 Henry VI, act iii. sc. 2 (1595)
That carries no impression like the dam."
Shakespeare:3 Henry VI, act iii. sc. 2 (1595)
Reading about Beethoven's measure of the aristocrats makes me glad for my politics today. Lots of voices, all free to speak their mind and each equal under the law, working toward the goal of making this life better for ALL. That is the essence of Democratic politics -- where each human life is treasured for the marvel it truly is.
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I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts.
arthritisR_US
Dec 2015
#46
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t
etherealtruth
Dec 2015
#56
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#80
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the....
Logical
Dec 2015
#86
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery
Zen Democrat
Dec 2015
#128
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#24
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio)
Octafish
Dec 2015
#57
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#69
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#70
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands?
Ichingcarpenter
Dec 2015
#44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#71
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City
Octafish
Dec 2015
#145
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#102
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt
Logical
Dec 2015
#105
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be....
Logical
Dec 2015
#116
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread
mountain grammy
Dec 2015
#93
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread
bobthedrummer
Dec 2015
#94
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin:
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#106
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#123
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#112
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating
randys1
Dec 2015
#126
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are
smirkymonkey
Dec 2015
#138
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America
Octafish
Dec 2015
#139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America...
Octafish
Dec 2015
#148
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up?
Octafish
Dec 2015
#144