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Hortensis

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330. I don't believe you need to fear. It's all in the phraseology.

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 01:50 PM

Dec 2015

Let me help you: "It is the belief of some belief that an important Democratic forum has been taken over by GOP fascists for the purpose of denying Bernie Sanders the nomination." "They apparently believe they are doing this by falsifying postings under the names of forum freedom fighters to make it seem they have broken important rules when they have not." "Rumor is that believe our cause has so far lost 128,888 members -- that we know of -- to this despicable mccarthyism, most of them disposed of secretly by means too dangerous to disclose."

Remember the tobacco executives? One can say anything if it suggests to people that they may just be listening to the earnest opinions of the mentally incompetent -- or to people who are lying through their teeth, of course, but how to prove they don't really believe what they're saying?

Pretend obfuscation by speaking in third person of not actually named targets is also very useful. Like Fox does all the time.

So, maybe finish this sentence to help clue me in to what's going on? "Some people believe that DU is _____."

Brave people are needed to get the word out.

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OK, so a prominent DUer was banned for disloyalty to the Democratic Party. [View all] backscatter712 Dec 2015 OP

Yes - earn it. 840high Dec 2015 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #2

You are spamming the board. Please stop. n/t demmiblue Dec 2015 #4

Send an email to MIRT JustAnotherGen Dec 2015 #5

Nice try shenmue Dec 2015 #10

What do you mean by that? demmiblue Dec 2015 #14

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #28

More spam, but at least shenmue has your back! demmiblue Dec 2015 #30

oh you mean 'name removed' that poster? azurnoir Dec 2015 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #27

awesome post, OP. Said it all for me. :D roguevalley Dec 2015 #79

me too. ellenrr Dec 2015 #205

Me too! sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #353

Count me in. WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2015 #364

This is DU. There are rules and ToT. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #3

We don't have a nominee yet. 840high Dec 2015 #7

True, but.... Adrahil Dec 2015 #163

With a year to go - people soften. 840high Dec 2015 #174

They can soften somewhere else. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #244

Fucking classy!.... Hotler Dec 2015 #291

Not pscot Dec 2015 #294

I didn't think I would really need this... Hotler Dec 2015 #298

Democrats want to save the party from the Citizens United big money domination. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #299

No. Low-information voters want to "save" the party from a boogyman. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #318

There are two sides to this class war and the Citizens United billionaires rhett o rick Dec 2015 #322

Looks like my second sentence was 100% spot-on. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #323

You seem to be rationalizing why you support the wealthy 1%, the quid pro quo culture rhett o rick Dec 2015 #327

Oh, please. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #328

Yep. They create a fictional Hillary treestar Dec 2015 #406

Wrong! The party, OUR PARTY, IS being 'burned to the ground' by the corporate infiltrators sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #357

Some of us think it should be dU. truebluegreen Dec 2015 #9

"IBTL backatcha"? Okaaaay. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #13

Well, the site owners do not Godhumor Dec 2015 #26

They ask for our money SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #45

I expect that your posts are as important as your donations, if not more so. merrily Dec 2015 #64

All the free content we give them -- when it suits them, that is? villager Dec 2015 #102

Then they'd be in trouble, but they still have plenty of people who want to post treestar Dec 2015 #156

Awww, Mr. No Star swears he'll stop contributing to DU. Hekate Dec 2015 #120

I have heard people very full of themselves SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #126

So it's come to this has it? pscot Dec 2015 #325

It's cool. I just donated for you. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #245

Many thanks SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #279

You donated to DU for someone else? Do tell! merrily Dec 2015 #352

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #140

A Hillary supporter said she would vote for Trump if Sanders won, and she argued it for half a day AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #190

She should be banned too. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #247

DWS lit the match. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #270

No, she should not. Manny was banned for ADVOCATING Hortensis Dec 2015 #273

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Dec 2015 #302

Rhett, "Manny" could have made his statements in Hortensis Dec 2015 #309

What I see is a rationalization for what's happening here. It isn't just Manny. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #315

Rhett, what else do you think is happening? Hortensis Dec 2015 #324

Sorry, but I am not free to discuss this w/o the fear of retribution. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #326

I don't believe you need to fear. It's all in the phraseology. Hortensis Dec 2015 #330

Thanks rhett o rick Dec 2015 #335

Yes, but someone needs to reveal what's going on. Hortensis Dec 2015 #344

If you have a problem with the TOS treestar Dec 2015 #314

Did you know that threads complaining about DU bannings are not permitted in GD? ucrdem Dec 2015 #332

I didn't see the post in question, but isn't that Manny person very tongue-in-cheek? PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #395

I did, Person. If he meant to be tongue-in-cheek, Hortensis Dec 2015 #396

See that is exactly what people have noticed over the last now almost 15 years nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #363

Some HRC supporters have been suspended so often that I lost count. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #370

Not locked yet. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #379

+ a million hobbit709 Dec 2015 #6

This site from Day One has existed to elect Democrats. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #8

They choose not to believe that; they don't read the TOS, don't know the history of DU.... Hekate Dec 2015 #11

OOOOOh! Anarchists.... Scarey! RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #83

There's nothing scary about irrelevant people except their ignorance of DU history. Hekate Dec 2015 #88

I wish they forced people to read the tos before they could post. MADem Dec 2015 #202

Is this where the term "herding cats" comes from bjobotts Dec 2015 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author bjobotts Dec 2015 #220

You can do that on the internet better than in Congress!!! MADem Dec 2015 #246

A fair number of left-wing anti-Democrats are here, Hortensis Dec 2015 #275

Most of the right-wingers here seem like the anti-democrats to me daredtowork Dec 2015 #381

RWs and anti-Democrats really make an interesting mix, Hortensis Dec 2015 #394

Great and observant post. +1. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #403

Oh, hi there. :) Hortensis Dec 2015 #408

Hey there ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #410

Exactly shenmue Dec 2015 #12

It reads "politically liberal people." Hepburn Dec 2015 #16

Politically liberal people who vote for Democrats. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #22

So even if a D is a not liberal or even a bit of a progressive...I must support her? Hepburn Dec 2015 #56

Joe Lieberman. NT. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #211

I did not care for him. Hepburn Dec 2015 #212

Everyone here LOVED Joe when he was running for VP. MADem Dec 2015 #249

I was here. I didn't, don't and never have loved Joe Leiberman n/t kdmorris Dec 2015 #320

You support and vote for whomever you want. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #25

Yes, yes. I know what Duverger's Law is. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2015 #32

The power of "party" includes all of their resources. murielm99 Dec 2015 #66

That's not the answer Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #74

You do realize that Bernie is not getting these resources for free RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #86

I think you misunderstand the TOS during the primaries. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #97

So there are two sets of TOS? RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #119

I agree, the last couple of days have not been good. But! MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #103

There have been a lot of candidates in the past murielm99 Dec 2015 #122

Nice reality check. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #267

I was witholding judgment about BS despite his fans here, but not so much any more.... Hekate Dec 2015 #112

I always take note of your words, and I'm also... MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #124

He didn't get FREE access to the database zalinda Dec 2015 #144

I don't see anything about a payment in the agreement treestar Dec 2015 #155

lolz. Then why on Earth break the rules/laws by trawling around in HER proprietary information? Hekate Dec 2015 #160

He also signed a fundraising agreement w/Debbie Wasserman Schultz. MADem Dec 2015 #256

horse shit.... paleotn Dec 2015 #134

+1, well said dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #225

Sanders apologized to Clinton tonight because he realized his staff had wronged her. MADem Dec 2015 #257

Like the 'class' you're showing Kentonio Dec 2015 #331

Sanders shitcanned two more of those "steal the bern" staffers. I think Sanders has the right idea. MADem Dec 2015 #343

Oh please stop with this nonsense Kentonio Dec 2015 #345

Bernie Sanders doesn't think it is NONSENSE. Good grief, the denial you're expressing is way MADem Dec 2015 #369

Hahahaha Kentonio Dec 2015 #375

You're going to have to produce a link. MADem Dec 2015 #385

Well that 'Extraordinary claim' was part of the Sanders campaign lawsuit Kentonio Dec 2015 #386

I think the comic book store owner running Sanders' campaign was talking out his MADem Dec 2015 #387

Well setting aside that Weaver was a campaign aide for Bernie for over 2 decades Kentonio Dec 2015 #389

Excuse me, but PLEASE. MADem Dec 2015 #390

He's was an independent socialist who not only became a mayor Kentonio Dec 2015 #391

He became a mayor of a "city" that in most places would be called a small town. MADem Dec 2015 #400

Thanks for this document. I had not seen the full list of what the fired staffer had seached and riversedge Dec 2015 #384

That agreement he signed with Debbie Wasserman Schultz includes shared fundraising. MADem Dec 2015 #252

If Joe Lieberman were a potential candidate or say NJ Chrispy were to seek the dem nomination Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #51

Must support, all Ds...no matter what...memo to myself. Hepburn Dec 2015 #70

Not Lyndon LaRouche. safeinOhio Dec 2015 #109

"Support"? No. Just don't use this board to work against. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #111

You would. treestar Dec 2015 #157

Well, support your candidate without bashing the other. christx30 Dec 2015 #76

You are not required to be a member here, right? Adrahil Dec 2015 #164

You got tht from what I posted? Hepburn Dec 2015 #169

It's rather like agreeing to respect the boundaries of a DNC database, limiting it to the national MADem Dec 2015 #371

Exactly. BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #17

Well, the Democratic party will not get an absolute guaranty of loyalty from me. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #18

So? leftofcool Dec 2015 #54

Of course, that's not what being asked for. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #289

I suppose I'll get banned from the site... backscatter712 Dec 2015 #19

But they are NOT the only Democrats we "are given to support." DFW Dec 2015 #63

+ infinity nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #114

pointing out garbage gets you labled as DISLOYAL Skittles Dec 2015 #258

Doncha know that thinking for yourself is now a crime? hobbit709 Dec 2015 #355

Good to know, thanks for the heads up, I will work that much harder to find someone to randys1 Dec 2015 #401

And from day one we have had members of other parties jwirr Dec 2015 #34

For your viewing pleasure- I submit notadmblnd Dec 2015 #37

Not true. The election for Florida Governor when Crist was running as an IND against the kelly1mm Dec 2015 #38

The party was not even backing its own candidate much then. So, Crist lost and so did the Dem merrily Dec 2015 #65

ONLY when there is no Democrat, or no viable Democrat. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #113

viable is in the eye of the beholder, or in this case, DU Admins ....... nt kelly1mm Dec 2015 #162

And that was the subject of much debate around here. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #191

Oh I remember the debates at the time. Set a bad precident. "Must not support kelly1mm Dec 2015 #195

Yep-- it's transparently 'whatever's most convenient for 'Centrists' that day'. Marr Dec 2015 #230

+1 BeanMusical Dec 2015 #372

Do you not remember the pumas? Many are still here and what did they threaten to do? LaurenG Dec 2015 #48

That was after the primary ended! merrily Dec 2015 #60

They should have been. Do you not think so? NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #108

Yes but they weren't and so I feel an allowance should be made here. LaurenG Dec 2015 #116

Plenty of allowances have been made. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #186

You may be right because I haven't been here much recently. LaurenG Dec 2015 #192

I understand your point about equal treatment, Hortensis Dec 2015 #277

Links, please Hekate Dec 2015 #125

You'll have to dig them up yourself but here's a start. edited LaurenG Dec 2015 #132

Because you can't back up your claim? Hekate Dec 2015 #139

Hekate I know how long you've been here and so I'm shocked that LaurenG Dec 2015 #145

Wtf is that even about, "voting McCain." And I recall the PUMAs here quite clearly. Hekate Dec 2015 #175

I am trying to answer your questions. My point was that there were several people who LaurenG Dec 2015 #182

You are addressing someone who was grave dancing in a meta thread in GDP Puglover Dec 2015 #346

We don't have a fucking Democratic party candidate yet! Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #49

The banned poster supported voting against the Dem in the GENERAL, NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #107

Based upon the TOS, if Debbie Wasserman Schultz, avebury Dec 2015 #82

They would only be expected not to post advocating for her defeat. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #106

And how has that worked out for us? zeemike Dec 2015 #141

"the excuse for not getting liberal things done was the mean old congress would not let him do it" NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #224

Well of course it is a fact. zeemike Dec 2015 #286

manny was banned for advocating others not to vote for the Dem nominee but of course they are Cha Dec 2015 #147

It seems like DU is paranoid avebury Dec 2015 #199

Talk to Skinner .. he set the rules. it's his board. if manny didn't think he was so special that Cha Dec 2015 #207

You totally missed my point. avebury Dec 2015 #296

Ever notice that 99% of the people who say that are Hillary Clinton supporters? davidn3600 Dec 2015 #194

It's Sanders fans who are making "angry rants" and "threats". NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #222

The stronger progressive creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #235

If your candidate was truly progressive, there wouldnt be a threat davidn3600 Dec 2015 #238

Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson. . .all Democrats. Feeling the Bern Dec 2015 #214

And in a race between them and a Republican, I will vote for them every single time. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #221

I live in Arizona. I know that. Feeling the Bern Dec 2015 #268

Many of us are still here because the primaries haven't begun yet. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #271

No one has said they won't support Democrats. I will always support Democrats but choose rhett o rick Dec 2015 #304

Thanks for so well expressing my position on this. It's about policies, not party. I'll support .. Scuba Dec 2015 #15

and even more - policies and principles before - way before - personality. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2015 #20

Perhaps a Change in TOS fredamae Dec 2015 #21

That is a good idea. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #23

Blind loyalty is what the Republicans are known for, evidently some Democrats want the same. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #29

Not this year. The Republicans I know like Trump, because he states that truedelphi Dec 2015 #231

Party before Country, how Republican? I think some need to re-evacuate their priorities. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #81

Alternatively, you could start your own site, and write your own TOS. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #36

So, I/We should not try fredamae Dec 2015 #39

You're welcome to email any suggestion to the site owners. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #40

Thanks for the info :) n/t fredamae Dec 2015 #44

Not a realistic alternative for most people. totodeinhere Dec 2015 #356

That, or a Progressive Underground site for those of us JimDandy Dec 2015 #100

Let us know when you start that site. Hekate Dec 2015 #129

The owners of DU are the experts in that. Hoping they start such a site JimDandy Dec 2015 #131

Uh-huh Hekate Dec 2015 #137

Is that skepticism over my veracity? JimDandy Dec 2015 #168

good idea Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #206

I like the notion of a Progressive Underground as well but.... chknltl Dec 2015 #248

I wish someone actually would start a site like that PFunk1 Dec 2015 #151

Maybe a petition to Skinner? Discussionist (DI) came into being JimDandy Dec 2015 #165

There's a Place for That.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #227

You know where Ask The Administrators is Hekate Dec 2015 #127

I'll find it... fredamae Dec 2015 #130

Wow!! Bravo!! haikugal Dec 2015 #24

K&R. If anyone is disloyal to the Democratic party it's DWS. It's suffered so CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #31

Exactly. jwirr Dec 2015 #33

There are probably other sites which allow post closer to what pleases Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #35

I will say it again, this really shouldn't be rocket science still_one Dec 2015 #61

HOpefully they will move on to their Roots Cryptoad Dec 2015 #41

K&R!!!! Phlem Dec 2015 #42

Beautiful rant! It would be spot on if it wasn't a bunch of hyperbolic bullshit. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #43

DWS has supported Republicans over Democrats in Florida. Dawgs Dec 2015 #53

Which would have gotten her banned here. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #59

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #101

Dawgs, thank you. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #93

Thank you for that. dgibby Dec 2015 #152

She campaigned for three Republicans and chaired the DNC during the historic losses of 2014. merrily Dec 2015 #72

In a rational world, SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #87

Senator McCain and I are ready for that 3 am phone call, but Senator Obama is not. merrily Dec 2015 #89

Oh, I remember that one very well. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #96

Was what DWS's brainchild? The Senator McCain comment? Doubtful That was HRC's campaign is my guess. merrily Dec 2015 #98

Oh, I get that. (Do I.) SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #110

You might ask in the Florida Group. merrily Dec 2015 #117

Thanks. nt SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #150

Here is a link wilsonbooks Dec 2015 #172

One would think. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #104

LOL, I knew this was from a hillary fan before I read it. Not a shock. nt Logical Dec 2015 #143

+1 Nicely put Hekate Dec 2015 #158

+1 treestar Dec 2015 #312

Bravo! Hulk Dec 2015 #46

Me too. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #105

Boom n/t PasadenaTrudy Dec 2015 #47

If that is how you feel, murielm99 Dec 2015 #50

As a Democrat and a DUer...... marmar Dec 2015 #75

Who the hell are you to tell people not to post here? That's an admin call, not yours. merrily Dec 2015 #78

When Bernie Sanders wins the nomination, are you joyfully supporting him? marble falls Dec 2015 #274

We progressives support Democrats all the way so inferring that we don't is rhett o rick Dec 2015 #305

I hope you like the sound of your voice. It carries 0 authority. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #411

Couldn't have said it better myself! cer7711 Dec 2015 #52

Lol or what? rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #55

+++++++++++++ For being wise, and not doing a TOS violation. No one on any website, including DU still_one Dec 2015 #57

No, people are not compelled. But some want to make the declaration and say why they are making it. merrily Dec 2015 #69

BEST POST EVER!!!!!! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #58

Preach it!! DonnaM Dec 2015 #62

I so agree with the OP truegrit44 Dec 2015 #67

Agreed. RedCappedBandit Dec 2015 #68

Yes. And Hillary has NOT yet earned my support. closeupready Dec 2015 #71

Don't agree with everything there but thats pretty much exactly how I feel. PatrynXX Dec 2015 #73

Brilliant. Best post I have read in a long time. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #77

Hey, that's what I was going to say. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #306

Tell it brother! RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #80

K&R. nt DLevine Dec 2015 #84

K&R for truth... G_j Dec 2015 #85

Banned? Wow. Stalin-Esque billhicks76 Dec 2015 #91

Best fucking post I have read in a long while! Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #92

I will vote for the nominee in the general awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #94

Yes!!. We support VALUES NOT LABELS. Duppers Dec 2015 #95

+1 Paka Dec 2015 #198

DURec leftstreet Dec 2015 #99

"Earn" your loyalty? How about you work for the Party and change it? When have you EVER done that? n Hekate Dec 2015 #115

There really is this approach that the party is a consumer item treestar Dec 2015 #313

Forgive my ignorance, but, what exactly was said that triggered the ban? CaptainTruth Dec 2015 #118

Hard to tell, dgibby Dec 2015 #153

It's almost impossible to stop someone posting if they wanted to start a new account. Kentonio Dec 2015 #334

I think some of the folks upstairs biases are starting to show... liberalnarb Dec 2015 #121

one word: McKinney MisterP Dec 2015 #136

Fab OP. DURec. Owl Dec 2015 #123

Pull the party to the left as much as possible. Threaten it all you want to achieve this. pampango Dec 2015 #128

Individualism used to be a Democratic Trait, Bernie never worked for Goldwater . n/t orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #133

BRAVO! Hear! Hear! avaistheone1 Dec 2015 #135

I agree 100%. DrewFlorida Dec 2015 #138

Yep! I agree. Duval Dec 2015 #142

Actually he was banned Andy823 Dec 2015 #146

Which is kind of funny to me. YEARS of mocking and putting down the AA community, both here and Number23 Dec 2015 #170

yep, the endless pleas of ignorance from someone whose opinions were held up as gold.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #183

They didn't embarass themselves at all, be. They knew exactly what the hell he was doing Number23 Dec 2015 #185

well, I think there was a % of low info DUers who just needed a figure to worship.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #187

+1,000 Number 23 Hekate Dec 2015 #200

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2015 #216

Good point. Andy823 Dec 2015 #319

+1 n/t JustAnotherGen Dec 2015 #269

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #148

T.J. Duppers Dec 2015 #307

Great post fbc Dec 2015 #149

He was banned for violating the TOS of DU treestar Dec 2015 #154

He is loyal to the Democratic Party and in my opinion a better Democrat than those that rhett o rick Dec 2015 #308

He is not loyal to the Democratic party treestar Dec 2015 #311

Some people don't like those that dare speak out. He never has advocated for anyone that rhett o rick Dec 2015 #316

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #159

Who did you used to be? ScreamingMeemie Dec 2015 #171

LOL! Rex Dec 2015 #173

... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2015 #179

The two are not mutually exclusive n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #176

You are floating on the wind uppityperson Dec 2015 #201

Well said backscatter. zentrum Dec 2015 #161

Amen! Paka Dec 2015 #166

The country isn't it's elected officials. Similarly, the party isn't the chairperson or her favorite lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #167

If Any Candidate Wants My Vote - Earn It cantbeserious Dec 2015 #177

Clinton doesn't want to earn it, she wants to expect it n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #180

^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Dec 2015 #181

^^^^This^^^^ LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #229

Caveat: She expects it while insulting you. Fixed. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #337

A malcontent was banned, and the DU is already better for it Tarc Dec 2015 #178

Wow...been coming here for a decade and a half and have never seen banning a guy as a malcontent EndElectoral Dec 2015 #184

THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2015 #213

You mention "gravedancing" like it's a bad thing. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2015 #188

K&R Mbrow Dec 2015 #189

What does "Underground" even mean any more? yodermon Dec 2015 #193

Exactly! ctsnowman Dec 2015 #278

...not only THAT, bvar22 Dec 2015 #339

So noted. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #340

Absolutely Old Codger Dec 2015 #196

+1 nt rbnyc Dec 2015 #197

I am not a Democrat. I am a socialist. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #203

Manny??????? Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #204

A few to add... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #208

HELL YEAH! And screw the Third Way/DLC/corporate lackeys that have taken over the DNC and Roland99 Dec 2015 #209

A righteous rant, backscatter712. I feel the same way! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #210

No, he was banned for violating the TOS. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #215

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Dec 2015 #217

Your last three sentences resonate with me. However, I don't think truedelphi Dec 2015 #218

"The Democratic Party is a means to my ends, not the end itself." hay rick Dec 2015 #223

They think they are entitled to our support by having a D next to their name jfern Dec 2015 #226

You said it better than I could. PatrickforO Dec 2015 #228

Good riddance. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #232

learn to use the IGNORE function Skittles Dec 2015 #233

Not the point Tarc Dec 2015 #234

oh HORSESHIT Skittles Dec 2015 #236

Manny didn't point out anything. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #242

your opinion Skittles Dec 2015 #254

That DU died on 1/20/2009 and the Obots killed it Fumesucker Dec 2015 #276

0-7 LEAVE IT RiverLover Dec 2015 #280

Proud to have been on the best jury evah! corkhead Dec 2015 #282

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2015 #336

I agree that this DU you speak off is dead nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #361

I was banned from the Bernie group for vowing the vote for the Dem nominee. McCamy Taylor Dec 2015 #237

I was banned from the BOG and HRC groups Skittles Dec 2015 #241

I was banned for saying Manny violated the Terms of Service. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #243

Just so you know... Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #250

I inadvertently kicked a thread in the Clinton Group, no text at all, only the kicking donkey emoji Fumesucker Dec 2015 #295

knr Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #239

I do not think he was disloyal to the Democratic Party! akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #240

he was disloyal to rightwing bullshit being called DEMOCRATIC Skittles Dec 2015 #255

How much more disloyal than "actively telling people to vote against them" can you get? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #290

DWS is as devious as a republican. Cobalt Violet Dec 2015 #251

Is that why Sanders signed a fundraising agreement with her? Is that why he is sheltered MADem Dec 2015 #259

no to all your questions. Her deviousness is her character flaw. Cobalt Violet Dec 2015 #262

She's so nasty she offered him a fundraising opportunity where he can make way more, faster, than he MADem Dec 2015 #263

right on! nilram Dec 2015 #253

It is very sad that some really do not know why a particular poster was banned. It wasn't because still_one Dec 2015 #260

Wow, so that's what happened. Duppers Dec 2015 #321

Shush you! tammywammy Dec 2015 #329

I see one after another saying it was because he wouldn't vote for Hillary in the GE still_one Dec 2015 #333

The poster was not ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #261

At this rate, only trolls & sycophants will be left on DU emsimon33 Dec 2015 #264

Yep. DU will most likely end up looking like this... backscatter712 Dec 2015 #293

TOS or no TOS..... diverdownjt Dec 2015 #265

Bring back a person who was advocating voting against the Dem nominee? really?! tia... uponit7771 Dec 2015 #342

Earn it! Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #266

Addition by subtraction GitRDun Dec 2015 #272

BRAVO! City Lights Dec 2015 #281

Interestingly Hillary Clinton also believes humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #283

Great post. RiverLover Dec 2015 #287

I have said it before and I will say it again, I will not vote for Clinton CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #284

I'm not even sure if I would vote for either... diverdownjt Dec 2015 #348

this is the most rec'd post I've ever seen. retrowire Dec 2015 #285

Most I've seen in recent years leftstreet Dec 2015 #300

Amen. K&R nt TBF Dec 2015 #288

'Nuf said. 99Forever Dec 2015 #292

Brilliant post! I completely agree. Cassidy Dec 2015 #297

Nicely done! HassleCat Dec 2015 #301

You said it very well. Our enemy isn't just the Republicons but the oligarch run Democratic rhett o rick Dec 2015 #303

What? CountAllVotes Dec 2015 #310

Ask not what your country can do for you . . . ucrdem Dec 2015 #317

The meta premise of this OP is dead wrong and it has 450 recs... sigh... sigh uponit7771 Dec 2015 #338

451. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #341

Dead wrong to 450 people that post here? Rex Dec 2015 #349

Yes... break TOS and get banned... don't know what is wrong about that posittion uponit7771 Dec 2015 #351

Except the primaries are not over nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #359

No, ... that's not right... advocating for others to NOT vote for the dem nominee is against TOS uponit7771 Dec 2015 #366

I read it and I expect a lot of bannings nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #368

Now almost 500 recs...but you must be right and they are wrong about something else. Rex Dec 2015 #398

rec count != facts uponit7771 Dec 2015 #404

AFAIK, this is the most progressive of the large discussion boards steve2470 Dec 2015 #347

"Disloyalty to the Democratic Party..." cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #350

I would like to see the DU owners change the rules to allow disloyalty to the corporate owned totodeinhere Dec 2015 #354

A-fucking-men. DLCers and Third-Wayers are a cancer on the party. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #358

Some people are keeping lists of people to ban nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #360

It took me a while to "get" Manny CJCRANE Dec 2015 #362

The grave dancing thread got 98 recs, this one has 470 LittleBlue Dec 2015 #365

right there with you. read my sig line. nt Javaman Dec 2015 #367

Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #373

Well there is one effective way... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #374

If Manny Goldstein is gone, I may start visiting more often. PBass Dec 2015 #376

In 12 or more years, I have never seen so many Recs Bonobo Dec 2015 #377

TMI Person 2713 Dec 2015 #378

Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #380

Seems Manny being tombstoned was too much for Sid neverforget Dec 2015 #382

3 bogus hides in a row. joshcryer Dec 2015 #392

No! Sid is on time-out? That's just wrong. RiverLover Dec 2015 #393

DU Rec Capt. Obvious Dec 2015 #397

I am late to this thread but agree 100% Jim Beard Dec 2015 #383

K&R. AngryOldDem Dec 2015 #388

I won't advocate for third party/write-in votes on a website dedicated to getting Democrats elected LanternWaste Dec 2015 #399

You're on a private site... one_voice Dec 2015 #402

I have nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #405

no social media has a loyalty oath right to my vote. NuttyFluffers Dec 2015 #407

You have every right to assert that...just not here brooklynite Dec 2015 #409