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112. Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald.

Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:22 PM

Dec 2015

DUer Jim DiEugenio brought up important evidence showing there was a conspiracy to assassinate the president before Dallas. Attempts were made on the President's life in Miami and Chicago -- same M.O. as Dallas, ambush, high-power rifles, high-rise, and one patsy by the name of Thomas Arthur Vallee, a USMC veteran from a U-2 base in Japan. The plot was broken up by the Secret Service in Chicago. Not that they wanted to, they sort of had to when the local cops got a call from a landlady with the guns, passports, maps and "parade route" in Highlighter still on the bed.

Very important read in PDF:

http://www.thechicagoplot.com/The%20Chicago%20Plot.pdf

Once a New York Times reporter, Black is the author of "IBM and the Holocaust" and "War against the Weak."

Bugliosi sure does do a great brief for the prosecution. The thing is, he looks at things from the perspective of prosecuting Oswald. He does not consider exculpatory evidence, such as the Chicago plot.

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Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up [View all] Octafish Dec 2015 OP

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same to you. edhopper Dec 2015 #22

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The title of the OP. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #11

What's wrong with it? Octafish Dec 2015 #13

Actually no the title reflects the context. Rex Dec 2015 #19

Please SHOW absolute proof. It is all shit rehashed for 50 years. nt Logical Dec 2015 #81

You call me obsessed, yet all you got is ad hominem. Octafish Dec 2015 #96

There is a forum for this. And it is not GD. nt Logical Dec 2015 #97

Some posters are exempt from Forum SOPs...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #50

Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t etherealtruth Dec 2015 #56

Ad hominem shows all you know is smear. Octafish Dec 2015 #73

Truly... some really are... nt villager Dec 2015 #76

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I would disagree that it is edhopper Dec 2015 #72

So what, exactly, do you find wrong with the OP? Octafish Dec 2015 #75

The topic is edhopper Dec 2015 #79

So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden. Octafish Dec 2015 #80

look edhopper Dec 2015 #84

He loves the CS shit. An obsession. nt Logical Dec 2015 #82

Speaking of obsessed... Octafish Dec 2015 #85

Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the.... Logical Dec 2015 #86

I didn't ask you to prove anything - just to support your contentions. Octafish Dec 2015 #92

The burden of proof is on the person making a nutty claim. nt Logical Dec 2015 #95

So, it should be easy for you. Yet, you don't. That's telling. Octafish Dec 2015 #98

For god sake, then why isn't the fact the CIA killed Kennedy on the.... Logical Dec 2015 #99

Nice disinformation. Where did you get the CIA killed Kennedy? Octafish Dec 2015 #100

I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery Zen Democrat Dec 2015 #128

Here's video that shows Secret Service ordered off JFK's limousine. Octafish Dec 2015 #140

thank you, edhopper! librechik Dec 2015 #115

Your welcome edhopper Dec 2015 #118

The CIA sits on its secrets hoping enough time will pass Rex Dec 2015 #18

I agree H2O Man Dec 2015 #21

Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale. Octafish Dec 2015 #24

I feel like crying. I wonder if we can ever change this world jwirr Dec 2015 #26

That feeling of powerlessness... Octafish Dec 2015 #27

Once again thank you. I really do understand this and try jwirr Dec 2015 #28

Beethoven. Octafish Dec 2015 #37

I had no idea that is where he got this. That is totally inspiring. jwirr Dec 2015 #40

The guy was a Democrat before there was a Party. Octafish Dec 2015 #55

Good way to start the morning. We are part of a very long jwirr Dec 2015 #58

Amazing. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #47

"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio) Octafish Dec 2015 #57

This IS inspiring. SalviaBlue Dec 2015 #119

Am I the only one that was not involved in the JFK assassination plot? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #29

Were you director of the CIA? Octafish Dec 2015 #32

This shit is just like 9/11 truthers. So old and so wrong. nt Logical Dec 2015 #64

No, I'm not involved either treestar Dec 2015 #68

I'm your age, but I don't remember the 1960's cpwm17 Dec 2015 #88

Nixon is the first one I remember too treestar Dec 2015 #89

Unti the CIA papers are Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #30

Agree completely. Octafish Dec 2015 #42

The Russians have more info than the Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #45

Sad to say I wrote this on DU in 2005... Octafish Dec 2015 #54

Boyhood Bud did Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #63

KickandRecommend!! elias49 Dec 2015 #33

What the Warren Commission Didn’t Know Octafish Dec 2015 #60

K&R #20 bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #34

Thank you for keeping that most important history alive. Octafish Dec 2015 #61

Octakick. . . . . n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #36

Coming from you, that means a lot... Octafish Dec 2015 #66

lol - you crack me up . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #87

I'm not sure rsexaminer Dec 2015 #38

POLITICO as the fountainhead for this story is interesting, too. Octafish Dec 2015 #67

K&R Important stuff. JEB Dec 2015 #39

Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin. Octafish Dec 2015 #69

Yes, Bush 41 was CIA at the time, and yes, he was in Dallas. KamaAina Dec 2015 #43

Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee. Octafish Dec 2015 #70

The smoking gun! KamaAina Dec 2015 #74

It really bothers some people when it gets mentioned. Octafish Dec 2015 #141

Well, what does he care? He's Canadian. KamaAina Dec 2015 #143

Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #44

JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved. Octafish Dec 2015 #71

Three levels of information Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #133

C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City Octafish Dec 2015 #145

K&R nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #48

The Disinformation Continues to the Present Day Octafish Dec 2015 #77

Kickin' the Sat mornin' history lesson. CanSocDem Dec 2015 #49

Lots more to learn. For instance, FBI and CIA continue to obstruct Justice. Octafish Dec 2015 #83

Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Dec 2015 #51

You are most welcome, cantbeserious! Octafish Dec 2015 #90

Thanks Octafish. Your posts are important to me! haikugal Dec 2015 #53

Here's a truly important source of information: ABRAHAM BOLDEN. Octafish Dec 2015 #101

Oswald acted alone. Sometimes people get lucky! You love CS shit. nt Logical Dec 2015 #59

If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion. Octafish Dec 2015 #102

The ONE ARMED MAN Did it!!!!!! nt Logical Dec 2015 #65

What is your problem? Octafish Dec 2015 #103

The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt Logical Dec 2015 #105

No, we don't know ''who did it.'' Octafish Dec 2015 #114

FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be.... Logical Dec 2015 #116

Who's ''gullible,'' really? Octafish Dec 2015 #121

You also need to investigate this also...... Logical Dec 2015 #124

George deMohrenschildt knew both Lee Harvey Oswald and George H.W. Bush. Octafish Dec 2015 #125

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Allen Dulles in WC secret session said that was to be expected. Octafish Dec 2015 #104

K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #91

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K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread mountain grammy Dec 2015 #93

Thank you for sharing that amazing and important history, mountain grammy. Octafish Dec 2015 #108

I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #94

JFK debunker John McAdams hosts one of those... Octafish Dec 2015 #110

Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin: cpwm17 Dec 2015 #106

The hilarious thing, here: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #109

I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2015 #123

Hardly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #134

I don't believe it was any kind of conspiracy, cpwm17 Dec 2015 #135

Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald. Octafish Dec 2015 #112

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A Thank You to Phil Shenon from Dan Hardway Octafish Dec 2015 #120

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You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise. Octafish Dec 2015 #130

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The thing missing from the coverage: Context. Octafish Dec 2015 #136

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Let us begin with a fact about LHO : he was a firm believer in and KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #146

Good analysis, based on the story as reported by FBI/CIA. Ignored was CIA monitoring Oswald... Octafish Dec 2015 #147

K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. Bookmark. JEB Dec 2015 #149

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Kicking So we never forget. n/t Hotler Jan 2016 #151