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Bluenorthwest

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134. That's simply inaccurate. Sanders has a great deal of support based on other issues and it is all

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:43 PM

Dec 2015

based on his direct and honest approach. Your characterization of his supporters is offensive to me when so many of his supporters that I know are LGBT or members of other minority groups that are also still in the process of obtaining actual or even legal equality. For you to say to these people that they say it's economics and the rest be damned is just not right.
The strongest Bernie supporters I know are trans women and they are members of a group currently at the very bottom of the rights ladder, subjected to public rhetoric that is ugly and painful. To suggest that those persons care only about money is seriously objectionable. The fact that you do so with no basis in fact nor personal experience is arrogance boiled down to an essence.
In addition, the people you are speaking of are Democrats. These are people in need of legal protections in civil rights. A loyal and valuable Democratic voting block that you disparage just for nothing.

I could get into the overtones of this 'they only care about money' bullshit being thrown at Bernie but I'll just stick with the fact that I do not care to hear my friends denigrated We are Democrats, you are a Democrat. We are your equals. Your choice of candidates is not some Divine order. It is merely your choice in a primary. To malign and attack those who merely make a different primary choice than you do is not at all wise.

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It appears there is not a lot of difference between ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 OP

I'm still undecided, but I think there's plenty of difference between the language used. cwydro Dec 2015 #1

I edited my initial statement. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #4

WTF? hobbit709 Dec 2015 #2

Ha! Well said! elias49 Dec 2015 #8

The people in Trump's movement exist treestar Dec 2015 #63

yeah, shall we fight for the rights of white supremacists? trillion Dec 2015 #112

Meh. joshcryer Dec 2015 #3

I edited my initial statement. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #5

I don't see a substantive difference. joshcryer Dec 2015 #7

I was speaking to the two campaigns usage of ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #19

We've had that before. joshcryer Dec 2015 #21

True. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #22

I don't mind talk about comfortable shoes. joshcryer Dec 2015 #23

Wow. Maybe you out to watch or read 1 single speach from Sanders and then 1 from trump. The rest of trillion Dec 2015 #113

Please read post #3, #5, and #7 in that order. joshcryer Dec 2015 #126

Oh, wait. I get it. You're the GREEN party doing it's failed rhetoric they pull every election year trillion Dec 2015 #114

Read post #3. joshcryer Dec 2015 #117

Trump doesn't belong in the same sentence with any of our candidates. cwydro Dec 2015 #14

I was on the jury on this post and voted to leave it. Why? CTyankee Dec 2015 #25

Well, it certainly wasn't me that alerted on it. cwydro Dec 2015 #26

I think that the point of it was that we have a, however misguided, force against us and CTyankee Dec 2015 #27

Yes, I do understand what you're saying there. cwydro Dec 2015 #29

yeah, it's why I mostly stay out of GD P. Most all of us get together when all is said CTyankee Dec 2015 #31

Okay, but this smells like Green Party propaganda that both candidates are exactly the same. trillion Dec 2015 #116

I don't see it that way. In fact, I see it as a way to modify a candidate's view (in this case HRC) CTyankee Dec 2015 #118

not you, josh cryer. He's literally parroting the green platform - that both candidates are exactly trillion Dec 2015 #121

OK, sorry, my mistake...no wonder I was totally surprised and dumbfounded... CTyankee Dec 2015 #122

You are completely wrong. joshcryer Dec 2015 #125

Cwydro, I totally agree. Nitram Dec 2015 #30

Aren't you the same person who rails against any claims that "the two parties are too much alike"? Scuba Dec 2015 #6

That only counts if you're talking about the anointed one. Everyone else is fair game. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #10

Yes I do because the parties are nothing alike ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #17

You should change that to "similarity of both campaigns", as that is the only thing. nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #55

You've got it about language. safeinOhio Dec 2015 #9

Both are economic populists with some similarities (anti-NAFTA/TPP) but pampango Dec 2015 #11

This is true. And there's nothing wrong with left wing populism. joshcryer Dec 2015 #12

I agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #18

+1 deutsey Dec 2015 #24

Agreed. N/t JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #75

What ever madokie Dec 2015 #13

I feeling the urge to leave this cess pool mmonk Dec 2015 #15

plus they're both racists Enrique Dec 2015 #16

One of them definitely is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #20

GD-P rhetoric. Rex Dec 2015 #28

Adele - Hello snooper2 Dec 2015 #32

That's among the most superficial comparisons you could possibly draw. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #33

What's your point? tularetom Dec 2015 #34

There's a Huuuuuge difference in media coverage. Trump's wild, reckless language drives ratings. Overseas Dec 2015 #35

This is almost too low to even address. Marr Dec 2015 #36

wow nice wendylaroux Dec 2015 #37

Nice. Octafish Dec 2015 #38

Glenn Greenwald MinM Dec 2015 #50

Heh heh heh. Octafish Dec 2015 #151

I am considering self-deleting this OP, as clearly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #39

You are not sorry Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #40

No. I am sorry for how I phrased my observation ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #42

Oh and you are now 'just know more and better' Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #43

No ... I was speaking about YOU and your penchant for ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #44

Indeed it is Sherman A1 Dec 2015 #156

Or maybe Trump saw the efficacy for Black Lives Matter, and adopted it from there muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #48

Or maybe, it is as I said it was. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #49

I think you should SalviaBlue Dec 2015 #53

Might want to consider an edit to the OP, then. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #57

LOLOlOL You sorry? good one. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #85

What are you talking about? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #86

In every political campaign DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #93

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #99

Right, you had no intention of "offending" anyone on DU with an OP positing a similarity between Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #95

Yes ... That is what I have said, and I really don't careif you think otherwise. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #100

You should have deleted. panader0 Dec 2015 #136

What part about observing the commonality(ies) of the two CAMPAIGNS ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #139

This OP is as transparent as your "tribute" to Manny G. panader0 Dec 2015 #171

Grow up? Me? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #172

Instead of deleting, you might just edit the OP to add this clarification. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #158

silly H2O Man Dec 2015 #41

"We are the change we have been waiting for." Here is an Obama quote 'how a movement happens' Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #45

I was not tarnishing anything ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #46

Politicians and other organizers very regularly use movement language. Hillary, Sep 2014: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #47

One is a movement to the BOTTOM sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #51

They are both seeking votes from the same voter group. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #52

Too simplistic matt819 Dec 2015 #54

They also both metabolize glucose! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #56

. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #59

... leftstreet Dec 2015 #61

Yeah. Okay. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #64

Well, they do. Just another way they're so totally alike! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #65

Just another smart assed kick to my OP ... Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #68

I'm happy to kick threads like this Scootaloo Dec 2015 #69

My silliness ... LOL. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #70

How you rationalize your contribution as something other than irrelevance is bemusing. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #165

Took you 24 hours to find all those words in a thesaurus, huh? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #166

How dare people display wit in deflating my deliberarely incendiary, inane premise! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #98

Just put me on ignore and save yourself agreat deal of distress. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #101

You actually believe you cause anyone here, let alone Warren, distress?? opiate69 Dec 2015 #160

Clearly, ... I must be. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #162

You keep telling yourself that, buttercup. opiate69 Dec 2015 #168

"Buttercup"? I must be a source of distress for you, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #169

No such luck, Batman. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #176

don't be dissing the Batman like that. 1SBM wishes he was the Batman. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #187

100% accurate n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #150

That's the disconnect... I don't think you're aware of what the word 'wit' entails. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #167

at least my posts don't have some kind of annoying built-in echo. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #175

“We need people to feel that they’re part of a movement." Hillary Clinton 9-2014 Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #58

I wasn't aware that HRC had used the movement language ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #66

I'm pointing out a possible double standard. Why am I not allowed Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #90

Come on Blue ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #92

I did not ask you if you knew Clinton used that verbiage, I asked you if it would be right to frame Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #133

You have an "interesting" way of viewing events, and I suspect the world ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #137

++^^++ hopemountain Dec 2015 #183

What is the importance of this observation? sammythecat Dec 2015 #60

Recognize what works? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #67

Plus it's not, anyway treestar Dec 2015 #62

You're a smart guy LittleBlue Dec 2015 #71

Thanks. I will ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #76

Okay. Time for you to join my Forever Ignored Club. nt valerief Dec 2015 #72

You responded to my OP, to tell me that? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #74

The language is in the ear of the beholder Rebkeh Dec 2015 #73

I agree with everything you've written ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #77

Tracy Chapman has been on my list of favorites for years. unapatriciated Dec 2015 #132

I agree but Rebkeh Dec 2015 #145

Wow, that's some deep fallacial shit there! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #78

And....? Comparing Trump to Sanders is like comparing the Tea Party to the Green Party. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #79

There ARE some like characteristics ... though the T/P has been far more effective. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #80

Sure. Just as there are like characteristics between whales and field mice. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #82

Yes, there are overwhelming differences. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #84

Obama referenced his movement in the second paragraph of this speech - Vinca Dec 2015 #81

Hillary does it too, but we are not supposed to mention those facts nor the glaring Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #91

Clearly people think 'a movement' is needed. This is our chance to be on the correct side of it. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #83

I would urge the Sanders supporters to NOT attend Trump events Gothmog Dec 2015 #87

Bernie Sanders Wants Trump Voters Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #88

I've noticed the same thing gwheezie Dec 2015 #89

They both have teeth, and feet. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #94

Ohhh, I felt the bern!!!!!!! eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #106

a moon launch involves movement, and so does a plane crash Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #96

PWD? eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #107

. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #97

I have asked before; but, never quite, get an answer ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #108

A wise poster here once told me... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #119

A wise; but, anonymous interneter, once wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #120

That's simply inaccurate. Sanders has a great deal of support based on other issues and it is all Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #134

I don't believe it to be innacurrate with respect to the base of his support in any way. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #135

It is inaccurate and basically a string of unsupported and bigoted tropes. You offer nothing but Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #140

"blurted out with a religious certainty " What? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #141

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #143

A swing and a miss! That was a fun jury to serve on. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #146

At least this jury was paying attention. Too many get hidden for nonsense. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #148

He shoots!!! He misses!!!!! wendylaroux Dec 2015 #102

Nope. There's not, 1SBM. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #103

Thanks all for the laughs in this thread. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #104

Thank you ... I guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #110

This post is a movement... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #105

Ohhh, I felt the bern with that! You're a witty one!!!!!! eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #111

uh no. Not AT ALL. Have you never listened to a word Bernie has said or looked at his record? trillion Dec 2015 #109

I'm not talking about the policies underlying the the respective campaigns ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #115

Brief, simple messages delivered forcefully Hortensis Dec 2015 #123

And this ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #124

In my mind inevitably through the whole post. Hortensis Dec 2015 #177

Yes Cruz is a threat that has me worried ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #185

Cruz himself is currently pushing the "liberal fascism" lie hard, Hortensis Dec 2015 #191

Of course, You are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #193

How about the right newly mobilized to even more Hortensis Dec 2015 #194

sorry,but not only is that claim blatantly false, it's also plain old nutty. cali Dec 2015 #127

hillary is running a 'give me what is mine you fucking peons' campaign. That is all. bowens43 Dec 2015 #128

This OP has nothing to do with HRC. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #130

That's because you left her use of the word 'movement' about her own campaign. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #138

That is because ... for the fourth time ... I was unaware of HRC's usage of the movement langauge .. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #142

So what? Only one of them has a record of being full of shit... JHB Dec 2015 #129

Both, the Bernie campaign AND the trump campaign are high-energy ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #131

Well, since they're chasing the same demographic, I don't find it strange at all. Sickening...yes. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #144

As I had mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #147

Frankly, I never listen to BS. I don't do the whole demagogue thing, but I've watched as his... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #149

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #153

Not interested. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #155

So candidates shouldn't reach out to people they disagree with and try to change their minds? Vinca Dec 2015 #161

Yes ... it is proving a useful, and helpful, tactic for a candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #164

Apparently you didn't quite get my point. Vinca Dec 2015 #173

I get your point precisely ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #174

Oh good heavens. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Vinca Dec 2015 #182

Of course it is; but, all evidence suggests ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #186

You have no evidence at all. Jim Lane Dec 2015 #189

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #192

this nasty thread still up? wendylaroux Dec 2015 #152

Am I allowed to say Hillary is running the same campaign Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #154

You are smarter than this n2doc Dec 2015 #157

No it is not FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #170

I used to like and respect your posts Matariki Dec 2015 #159

I'm way ahead of you n/t MissDeeds Dec 2015 #163

Nothing wrong with his post. He is just making an observation Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #178

No, that is not what he's doing. Matariki Dec 2015 #179

When I make a less offensive observation than that my posts are hidden. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #180

Both are populists and running contrary to the wishes of their respective party power brokers Warpy Dec 2015 #181

Not a lot of difference because of one similarity? RedCappedBandit Dec 2015 #184

When a capitalist pig like trump speaks of "movement" it means only one thing... countryjake Dec 2015 #188

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