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In reply to the discussion: It appears there is not a lot of difference between ... [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)151. Heh heh heh.
Here's another one on-topic:
Visit UBS and see with your own eyes:
http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html
Or, read and think:

Clinton and Gramm: Crony Capitalisms Power Couple
Former senator Phil Gramm helped pass laws that let the banks go wild, yet hes stayed silent on UBSs crimes.
By Robert Scheer
The Nation, Dec. 21, 2012
EXCERPT...
As The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday: US, U.K. and Swiss authorities alleged a vast conspiracy led by UBS AG to rig interest rates tied to trillions of dollars in loans and other financial products, indicating the practice was far more pervasive than previously known. But what did Gramm know about this criminal behavior at a bank he helped govern, and when did he know it?
In a deal brokered with the criminal division of the US Justice Department, UBS was also fined $1.5 billion in the massive Libor interest-rate-fixing scam that evidenced a pattern of deep corruption across a score of top banks. But Gramm, the man most responsible for the repeal in 1999 of sixty years of sensible banking regulation that enabled the financial industry to run wild, has not responded to a single question from the mainstream media concerning UBS criminal behavior. I assume he has been queried, given his important prior contribution to the sorry state of banking.
When Gramm was still at the bank, his bio page on the UBS website paid tribute to his prior achievements in government: As chairman of the Banking Committee, Senator Gramm steered through legislation modernizing the nations banking, insurance and securities laws.
That modernization in 2000 made legal the mergers that created the too-big-to-fail banks that had to be bailed out by taxpayers, as well as insuring that the burgeoning markets in toxic derivatives and credit default swaps were summarily freed from all government regulation. Bill Clinton signed off on the new laws, and his successor, George W. Bush, enthusiastically enforced them.
How fitting then to find the two presidents united again on several occasions documented on the UBS website participating in bank-sponsored panels on Revitalizing America. Clintons foundation has partnered with UBS in mentoring small businesses in poorer communities, the very communities hit hardest by the banking shenanigans of the past decade. Ever the optimist, Clinton promised that Our partnership with UBS Wealth Management Americas will give these businesses essential new opportunities to expand and to make a positive difference in underserved communities. With friends like these
CONTINUED...
http://www.thenation.com/article/clinton-and-gramm-crony-capitalisms-power-couple/
DUers! Do what real journalists do when it comes to news and information: Don't avert your eyes -- plagiarize.
PS: What's in your wallet? If it's like mine, dust and moths.
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I'm still undecided, but I think there's plenty of difference between the language used.
cwydro
Dec 2015
#1
Wow. Maybe you out to watch or read 1 single speach from Sanders and then 1 from trump. The rest of
trillion
Dec 2015
#113
Oh, wait. I get it. You're the GREEN party doing it's failed rhetoric they pull every election year
trillion
Dec 2015
#114
I think that the point of it was that we have a, however misguided, force against us and
CTyankee
Dec 2015
#27
yeah, it's why I mostly stay out of GD P. Most all of us get together when all is said
CTyankee
Dec 2015
#31
Okay, but this smells like Green Party propaganda that both candidates are exactly the same.
trillion
Dec 2015
#116
I don't see it that way. In fact, I see it as a way to modify a candidate's view (in this case HRC)
CTyankee
Dec 2015
#118
not you, josh cryer. He's literally parroting the green platform - that both candidates are exactly
trillion
Dec 2015
#121
Aren't you the same person who rails against any claims that "the two parties are too much alike"?
Scuba
Dec 2015
#6
That only counts if you're talking about the anointed one. Everyone else is fair game.
hobbit709
Dec 2015
#10
You should change that to "similarity of both campaigns", as that is the only thing. nt
TheBlackAdder
Dec 2015
#55
There's a Huuuuuge difference in media coverage. Trump's wild, reckless language drives ratings.
Overseas
Dec 2015
#35
Or maybe Trump saw the efficacy for Black Lives Matter, and adopted it from there
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#48
Right, you had no intention of "offending" anyone on DU with an OP positing a similarity between
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2015
#95
Yes ... That is what I have said, and I really don't careif you think otherwise. n/t
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#100
What part about observing the commonality(ies) of the two CAMPAIGNS ...
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#139
Instead of deleting, you might just edit the OP to add this clarification. nt
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Dec 2015
#158
"We are the change we have been waiting for." Here is an Obama quote 'how a movement happens'
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#45
Politicians and other organizers very regularly use movement language. Hillary, Sep 2014:
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#47
How you rationalize your contribution as something other than irrelevance is bemusing.
LanternWaste
Dec 2015
#165
How dare people display wit in deflating my deliberarely incendiary, inane premise!
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2015
#98
That's the disconnect... I don't think you're aware of what the word 'wit' entails.
LanternWaste
Dec 2015
#167
“We need people to feel that they’re part of a movement." Hillary Clinton 9-2014
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#58
I did not ask you if you knew Clinton used that verbiage, I asked you if it would be right to frame
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#133
You have an "interesting" way of viewing events, and I suspect the world ...
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#137
And....? Comparing Trump to Sanders is like comparing the Tea Party to the Green Party.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2015
#79
There ARE some like characteristics ... though the T/P has been far more effective. eom.
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#80
Sure. Just as there are like characteristics between whales and field mice.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2015
#82
Hillary does it too, but we are not supposed to mention those facts nor the glaring
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#91
Clearly people think 'a movement' is needed. This is our chance to be on the correct side of it.
Live and Learn
Dec 2015
#83
That's simply inaccurate. Sanders has a great deal of support based on other issues and it is all
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#134
I don't believe it to be innacurrate with respect to the base of his support in any way. nt.
NCTraveler
Dec 2015
#135
It is inaccurate and basically a string of unsupported and bigoted tropes. You offer nothing but
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#140
At least this jury was paying attention. Too many get hidden for nonsense.
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2015
#148
uh no. Not AT ALL. Have you never listened to a word Bernie has said or looked at his record?
trillion
Dec 2015
#109
I'm not talking about the policies underlying the the respective campaigns ...
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#115
hillary is running a 'give me what is mine you fucking peons' campaign. That is all.
bowens43
Dec 2015
#128
That's because you left her use of the word 'movement' about her own campaign.
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#138
That is because ... for the fourth time ... I was unaware of HRC's usage of the movement langauge ..
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#142
Well, since they're chasing the same demographic, I don't find it strange at all. Sickening...yes.
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2015
#144
Frankly, I never listen to BS. I don't do the whole demagogue thing, but I've watched as his...
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2015
#149
So candidates shouldn't reach out to people they disagree with and try to change their minds?
Vinca
Dec 2015
#161
Yes ... it is proving a useful, and helpful, tactic for a candidate ...
1StrongBlackMan
Dec 2015
#164
Both are populists and running contrary to the wishes of their respective party power brokers
Warpy
Dec 2015
#181
When a capitalist pig like trump speaks of "movement" it means only one thing...
countryjake
Dec 2015
#188