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In reply to the discussion: Who are we fighting in Afghanistan? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)91. That seems like synchronicity, so much serendipity.
Through a Glass Darkly
Alexander Cockburn
Lies Of Our Times (p. 12-13)
November 1991
Thus ran Lou Cannons recollections of an interview with the Commander-in-Chief in 1981, as set forth in his book President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1991), published earlier this year. But how did Cannon describe Reagans condition to the readers of the Washington Post when he wrote up his interview? In the July 23, 1981, Washington Post,Cannons story appeared under the headline Reagan Describes Summit Meeting as Worth Its Weight in Gold. Cannons report gives the impression of a lucid chief executive returning home after a fruitful colloquy with other western leaders at the economic summit held in Ottawa in mid-July. Cannon did mention in the tenth paragraph that Reagan appeared tired to the point of near-exhaustion, but this observation was quickly qualified by the opinion of aides that the president had been doing a lot of prep for the conference and was also worried about the Middle East.
Cannon shared his brief session with Reagan aboard Air Force One with Hedrick Smith of the New York Times, who similarly gave his readers the impression of a president in touch with things rather than the incoherent old man they had actually encountered. As did Cannon, Smith wove the few quotable remarks from Reagan into a tapestry of attributed presidential dicta passed on and no doubt confected by Meese, Deaver, and Speakes. It is clear from Cannons account of the conference itself that Reagan was fogged up throughout the actual conference, occasionally interjecting trivial observations or homely jokes into the proceedings and then relapsing into bemused silence. Cannons memoir is one more indication of the cover-up that took place in the wake of Hinckleys assassination bid on March 30, 1981. At the time of the shooting, the press was full of phrases like bouncing back, iron constitution, and other terms indicating that Reagan had emerged from the ordeal in good shape. In fact Reagan very nearly died on the operating table and was a dotard afterwards. He never fully recovered.
Conclusion: Unless a president is actually dead, the White House press corps can be relied upon to present him as both sentient and sapient, no matter how decrepit his physical and mental condition.
SOURCE in PDF form:
http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf
Old news to you, Rex-San, never screened on CIABCNNBCBSFoxNooseNutworks. The coup d'grace was "serving" Pruneface as veep. We may yet recover...

At a dinner during Republican National Convention, Detroit, 1980.
George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of Counter-Terrorism
By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58
A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.
During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.
Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.
The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: [font size="5"][font color="green"]As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.[/font color][/font size]
SNIP...
Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.
SNIP...
NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985
The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.
[font color="red"]The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.
The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.
Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.
CONTINUED...
CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.
Nobody's touched CIA ever since. And Reagan is a saint.
Alexander Cockburn
Lies Of Our Times (p. 12-13)
November 1991
"What was surprising to me was Reagans condition. He was exhausted to the point of incoherence throughout much of the interview and could not remember the substance of any subject that had been discussed apart from Mitterrands expression of anticommunism. I had not seen Reagan at such close range since the assassination attempt nearly four months earlier, and was shocked at his condition.... Reagan simply was unable to recall the contents of the talks in which he had just participated.... The interview concluded at a signal from Deaver, who did not seem to find the presidents condition unusual.
Thus ran Lou Cannons recollections of an interview with the Commander-in-Chief in 1981, as set forth in his book President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1991), published earlier this year. But how did Cannon describe Reagans condition to the readers of the Washington Post when he wrote up his interview? In the July 23, 1981, Washington Post,Cannons story appeared under the headline Reagan Describes Summit Meeting as Worth Its Weight in Gold. Cannons report gives the impression of a lucid chief executive returning home after a fruitful colloquy with other western leaders at the economic summit held in Ottawa in mid-July. Cannon did mention in the tenth paragraph that Reagan appeared tired to the point of near-exhaustion, but this observation was quickly qualified by the opinion of aides that the president had been doing a lot of prep for the conference and was also worried about the Middle East.
Cannon shared his brief session with Reagan aboard Air Force One with Hedrick Smith of the New York Times, who similarly gave his readers the impression of a president in touch with things rather than the incoherent old man they had actually encountered. As did Cannon, Smith wove the few quotable remarks from Reagan into a tapestry of attributed presidential dicta passed on and no doubt confected by Meese, Deaver, and Speakes. It is clear from Cannons account of the conference itself that Reagan was fogged up throughout the actual conference, occasionally interjecting trivial observations or homely jokes into the proceedings and then relapsing into bemused silence. Cannons memoir is one more indication of the cover-up that took place in the wake of Hinckleys assassination bid on March 30, 1981. At the time of the shooting, the press was full of phrases like bouncing back, iron constitution, and other terms indicating that Reagan had emerged from the ordeal in good shape. In fact Reagan very nearly died on the operating table and was a dotard afterwards. He never fully recovered.
Conclusion: Unless a president is actually dead, the White House press corps can be relied upon to present him as both sentient and sapient, no matter how decrepit his physical and mental condition.
SOURCE in PDF form:
http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf
Old news to you, Rex-San, never screened on CIABCNNBCBSFoxNooseNutworks. The coup d'grace was "serving" Pruneface as veep. We may yet recover...

At a dinner during Republican National Convention, Detroit, 1980.
George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of Counter-Terrorism
By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58
A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.
During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.
Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.
The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: [font size="5"][font color="green"]As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.[/font color][/font size]
SNIP...
Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.
SNIP...
NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985
The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.
[font color="red"]The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.
The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.
Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.
CONTINUED...
CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.
Nobody's touched CIA ever since. And Reagan is a saint.
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Please provide an answer to the question posed in the OP: Who are we fighting in Afganistan. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Jan 2016
#128
We're fighting the POPPY MANUFACTURES....WE WANT TO CONTROL THE HEROIN TRADE AS ALWAYS!
ViseGrip
Jan 2016
#126
Historical note: I think the comment to which you allude came, non from Shrub, but from
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#92
You know whose side we're on in Afghanistan? The "brown people", as you beautifully put it
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#23
I wish I could forget the time Obama repeated Bush line Taliban never offered up bin laden.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#61
We have a commander in chief who knows that is not true, what a ridiculous thing to say
GummyBearz
Dec 2015
#9
Sibel Edmonds knew, so she was fired and slapped with a gag order when she tried to tell. nt
tblue37
Jan 2016
#120
Can you handle the truth? It's to OWN THE LAND. GOOGLE "Mineral wealth of Afghanistan"!!!!
WinkyDink
Dec 2015
#10
And yet there are millions of americans who think that 3000 American lives in NYC would mean
WinkyDink
Jan 2016
#130
Allowing our favored industries first dibs at a trillion dollar's worth of raw materials
arcane1
Dec 2015
#26
The US invasion of Afghanistan was justified and fully supported by many allies.
tabasco
Dec 2015
#46
Did you note that we're still wasting lives and money in Afghanistan, 15 years later?
Scuba
Dec 2015
#50
If that's the only way you can think of to apprehend criminals you're not very thoughtful.
Scuba
Dec 2015
#71
Hey if you want to defend one of the worst foreign policy blunders in American history, be my guest.
Scuba
Dec 2015
#81
In case you haven't noticed, we haven't taken them down, 15 years and a trillion dollars later.
Scuba
Dec 2015
#83
Historical note: the Taliban agreed to extradite bin Laden to a court with international
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#93
So 15 years later and why are we still there? How many decades do we need to be there?
Rex
Dec 2015
#55
''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
Octafish
Dec 2015
#73