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In reply to the discussion: Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)150. Richard Helms obstructed Justice in 1964...CIA still does...
"CIA Lying Performance Then and Now: The JFK Assassination Versus The CIAs Obstruction of Justice in 2015
Why CIAs Richard Helms Lied about Oswald, Part III
By Peter Dale Scott
WhoWhatWhy, Dec. 28, 2015
EXCERPT...
Now let us compare the CIAs lying performance in 1964 with its lying performance in 2015. In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, members of many U.S. agencies, including also the FBI, the Office of Naval Intelligence, the U.S. Air Force, and the Secret Service, withheld relevant information from those investigating the murder.[1] But to my knowledge there is in 2015 only one U.S. agency that is still actively maintaining the cover-up and that is the CIA.
I am referring to the CIAs declassification and release of a previously classified CIA study by CIA historian David Robarge, DCI John McCone and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.[2] The essay is worth reading, and it contains interesting information on such matters as McCones relationship with Robert Kennedy. It is also significantly selective: it does not mention for example that McCone only learned late on the night of November 22 that the CIA had known beforehand of [the alleged] Oswalds trip to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, nor that as a result McCone was enraged, ripping into his aides, furious at the way the agency was run.[3]
Buried within Robarges discussion of John McCone and the Commission a pertinent but hardly central topic are a more important thesis statement and conclusion about the CIA itself. In the light of what I have just said about Helms, I would charge that both of these statements are false so false indeed as arguably to constitute, once again, obstruction of justice.
The thesis statement on page 8 is that Under McCones and Helmss direction, CIA supported the Warren Commission in a way that may best be described as passive, reactive, and selective. This claims that the CIAs deception of the Warren Commission was a sin of omission. But no, the CIA was not just passive. Helms perjured himself, just as he lied again in the 1970s.
Worse, the article focuses on the failure of the CIA to tell the Warren Commission about its plots to assassinate Castro, which may very well have been relevant; but in so doing it deflects attention away from the CIAs suppression of its own LCIMPROVE operation in October involving Lee Oswald (or Lee Henry Oswald), which unquestionably was of very great relevance.
Worst of all is the articles conclusion:
Of the many things wrong with this sentence, the worst service to truth in my mind is the skillful effort to divert attention away from the Angleton operation involving Oswald, and to focus instead on plots to kill Castro. This is an old ploy dating back to 1965, following in the footsteps of old CIA veterans and friends like Brian Latell and Gus Russo. It allows a writer like Philip Shenon to quote from the Robarge study the old red herring question Did Castro kill the president because the president had tried to kill Castro?[4]
CONTINUED...
http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/12/28/why-cias-richard-helms-lied-about-oswald-part-3/
Why CIAs Richard Helms Lied about Oswald, Part III
By Peter Dale Scott
WhoWhatWhy, Dec. 28, 2015
EXCERPT...
Now let us compare the CIAs lying performance in 1964 with its lying performance in 2015. In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, members of many U.S. agencies, including also the FBI, the Office of Naval Intelligence, the U.S. Air Force, and the Secret Service, withheld relevant information from those investigating the murder.[1] But to my knowledge there is in 2015 only one U.S. agency that is still actively maintaining the cover-up and that is the CIA.
I am referring to the CIAs declassification and release of a previously classified CIA study by CIA historian David Robarge, DCI John McCone and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.[2] The essay is worth reading, and it contains interesting information on such matters as McCones relationship with Robert Kennedy. It is also significantly selective: it does not mention for example that McCone only learned late on the night of November 22 that the CIA had known beforehand of [the alleged] Oswalds trip to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, nor that as a result McCone was enraged, ripping into his aides, furious at the way the agency was run.[3]
Buried within Robarges discussion of John McCone and the Commission a pertinent but hardly central topic are a more important thesis statement and conclusion about the CIA itself. In the light of what I have just said about Helms, I would charge that both of these statements are false so false indeed as arguably to constitute, once again, obstruction of justice.
The thesis statement on page 8 is that Under McCones and Helmss direction, CIA supported the Warren Commission in a way that may best be described as passive, reactive, and selective. This claims that the CIAs deception of the Warren Commission was a sin of omission. But no, the CIA was not just passive. Helms perjured himself, just as he lied again in the 1970s.
Worse, the article focuses on the failure of the CIA to tell the Warren Commission about its plots to assassinate Castro, which may very well have been relevant; but in so doing it deflects attention away from the CIAs suppression of its own LCIMPROVE operation in October involving Lee Oswald (or Lee Henry Oswald), which unquestionably was of very great relevance.
Worst of all is the articles conclusion:
Max Holland, one of the most fair-minded scholars of these events, has concluded that if the word conspiracy must be uttered in the same breath as Kennedy assassination, the only one that existed was the conspiracy to kill Castro and then keep that effort secret after November 22nd.
Of the many things wrong with this sentence, the worst service to truth in my mind is the skillful effort to divert attention away from the Angleton operation involving Oswald, and to focus instead on plots to kill Castro. This is an old ploy dating back to 1965, following in the footsteps of old CIA veterans and friends like Brian Latell and Gus Russo. It allows a writer like Philip Shenon to quote from the Robarge study the old red herring question Did Castro kill the president because the president had tried to kill Castro?[4]
CONTINUED...
http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/12/28/why-cias-richard-helms-lied-about-oswald-part-3/
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I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts.
arthritisR_US
Dec 2015
#46
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t
etherealtruth
Dec 2015
#56
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#80
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the....
Logical
Dec 2015
#86
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery
Zen Democrat
Dec 2015
#128
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#24
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio)
Octafish
Dec 2015
#57
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#69
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#70
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands?
Ichingcarpenter
Dec 2015
#44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#71
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City
Octafish
Dec 2015
#145
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#102
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt
Logical
Dec 2015
#105
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be....
Logical
Dec 2015
#116
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread
mountain grammy
Dec 2015
#93
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread
bobthedrummer
Dec 2015
#94
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin:
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#106
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#123
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#112
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating
randys1
Dec 2015
#126
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are
smirkymonkey
Dec 2015
#138
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America
Octafish
Dec 2015
#139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America...
Octafish
Dec 2015
#148
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up?
Octafish
Dec 2015
#144