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Kelvin Mace

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167. I was not aware that a trial had taken place

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:45 PM

Jan 2016

and the that testimony and documents had been provided under oath. THAT is "due process", not opinion pieces in the newspaper, or inflammatory accusations on rightwing web sites run by Glen Beck and his ilk.

Again, please provide a link to a newspaper covering this that has some degree of credibility. Oh, and by the way, an "opinion piece" is just that, opinion.

I am not "playing" with you, I am standing up for due process and against rushes to judgment in the absence of evidence. Due process applies to everyone or no one. It cannot be chucked away when inconvenient or counter to our opinions.

(BTW The Telegraph is also a conservative newspaper. It's most recent work was smearing the head of the SNP in order to sabotage the Scottish Independence referendum).

You cite the arrest of 211 hard right extremists as evidence of the validity of this story, I do not understand why.

You also rail against "the left wing media". Are you sure you are on the right web site?

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Taharrush - The Sickening And Terrifying Arab Rape Game That Is Spreading Across Europe(updated) [View all] Dems to Win Jan 2016 OP

What a lovely culture, hifiguy Jan 2016 #1

Rape culture is "lovely, deserving of our respect and acceptance"? Who says that? uppityperson Jan 2016 #4

The cultural relativists will be showing up any time now. hifiguy Jan 2016 #7

Again, this is confusing since that is what you did. uppityperson Jan 2016 #17

The sarcasm Mendocino Jan 2016 #40

thank you for that information. would you please post it as its own OP for greater niyad Jan 2016 #8

ah, how many rapes does India "REPORT" a year Jim Beard Jan 2016 #12

Looks like they don't collect is separately. I don't have an answer, but here's the wiki bit uppityperson Jan 2016 #19

They still do a far better job than we do. We don't "report" very many synergie Jan 2016 #202

rape culture is seen in many cultures. in the US college sports military JI7 Jan 2016 #42

Not to that degree. Not close. hifiguy Jan 2016 #43

you are denying what exists in the US. There is a serious problem with what is JI7 Jan 2016 #44

Thank you for stating that so well. uppityperson Jan 2016 #45

We could just as easily accuse you of "attacking" colleges sports and military as an "entire group" sibelian Jan 2016 #96

i just said in that post there is a problem with the culture JI7 Jan 2016 #111

Fair enough. It just IRRITATES me when people start making comparisons... sibelian Jan 2016 #116

the comparison is stupid but so is to claim the type of sexual assault JI7 Jan 2016 #117

Well, I wonder if hifiguy thought that was what YOU were doing. sibelian Jan 2016 #118

the problem i have is some seem to be going from acknowledging this is a serious problem JI7 Jan 2016 #200

It's an extremely awkward and complicated situation. MANY factors impinge on this. sibelian Jan 2016 #215

I can't remember when I have been surrounded by a gang of white, black or hispanic smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #123

I suppose you and your supporters have forgotten Abe Ghraib? As the KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #197

Congratulations !!! First up to validate this behavior. nt clarice Jan 2016 #171

Rape is terrifying and sickening wherever it happens underthematrix Jan 2016 #2

Did you read the article? katsy Jan 2016 #9

+1 Dems to Win Jan 2016 #16

"chances are LEO would break the rapist's head"????? what in the HELLLLLL are you smoking? niyad Jan 2016 #18

Chickenshit DAs refuse to prosecute good ole boys in Texas, by the way. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #27

she apparently heard the old, hateful saying, "the only good rape victim is a dead one" niyad Jan 2016 #29

Calm down katsy Jan 2016 #33

no, it isn't, which is why your comment was disturbing. niyad Jan 2016 #37

Calm down?!? chervilant Jan 2016 #41

Which comments? katsy Jan 2016 #46

Let's start with: chervilant Jan 2016 #98

You are all over the map with your screed katsy Jan 2016 #101

Most rapes in the US 1939 Jan 2016 #108

Indeed, and chervilant Jan 2016 #109

That may be true, in general, chervilant Jan 2016 #236

Hell, rightwing males believe randys1 Jan 2016 #226

that conversation is had here on a regular basis, as well. mind-boggling on a niyad Jan 2016 #232

I think that is two separate issues. I haven't heard of instances in the US where 1500 men surround stevenleser Jan 2016 #91

no, no, NO philosslayer Jan 2016 #26

Yes yes yes katsy Jan 2016 #34

You say yes yes yes to "Do you think all Muslim men should be prohibited from entering the United... uppityperson Jan 2016 #71

I didn't say that. katsy Jan 2016 #89

Yes, absolutely. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #128

Just to clarify, you want to ban all men of a certain religion from entering the USA? uppityperson Jan 2016 #130

Only if they are young and single. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #134

Casey Kasem was sooooo scary, as is Ahmed Zewail. Incredible, ban all male Muslims from the USA. uppityperson Jan 2016 #135

And you are hearing this crap on an alleged liberal message board. Imagine the garbage randys1 Jan 2016 #227

It is amazing, to frame it as "you don't care about women", to me. uppityperson Jan 2016 #229

And after all this turns out the source is bullshit...usually I am good about not falling randys1 Jan 2016 #233

Was this discredited beyond the snopes link I posted? Thanks. uppityperson Jan 2016 #234

Older married men don't cause problems with women? uppityperson Jan 2016 #231

I didn't address that question at all katsy Jan 2016 #137

That was in reply to smirkymonkey who agrees with banning all young male muslims uppityperson Jan 2016 #138

I don't really see the problem with that. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #142

You don't see a problem with broadbrush bigotry against everyone of a religion? uppityperson Jan 2016 #154

Cough. Ahem. With the greatest of respect, Sir/Ma'am, we are not talking about your nation. sibelian Jan 2016 #160

YOU may be, but THEY said "Yes, absolutely" to the question about the USA. uppityperson Jan 2016 #161

Well, Ok sorry. sibelian Jan 2016 #163

So my cousin can not visit his family in France because he's muslim? Oh. uppityperson Jan 2016 #164

Yes, he CAN and and the USA soldiers are already US citizens, I assume... sibelian Jan 2016 #166

Thank you for seeing this on an individual basis. I agree with what you write here, do not agree uppityperson Jan 2016 #168

Well. I have to say I certainly understand your reticence to go down that path. sibelian Jan 2016 #176

The USA needs to ban big C Christians as they cause most of the problems here uppityperson Jan 2016 #178

That is a powerful observation and I agree with you with regards to emotional intelligence. sibelian Jan 2016 #214

Nope. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #203

Only muslim men assault women, in your view? Bigotry is a nasty thing to see here uppityperson Jan 2016 #209

Yes, absolutely. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #132

What is YOUR SOLUTION? sibelian Jan 2016 #92

Well, well, what a surprise. hifiguy Jan 2016 #113

No kiddin'. sibelian Jan 2016 #120

These assaults are a blanket punishment to ALL women. This is punishment to women for not behaving Squinch Jan 2016 #112

Blammo. hifiguy Jan 2016 #114

D'ACCORD. sibelian Jan 2016 #121

Thank you for your comment underthematrix Jan 2016 #31

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #87

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #124

"Germany should immediately enforce curfew on Muslim men"? Maybe they should have them wear a patch uppityperson Jan 2016 #162

Yeah becuz better than a curfew on men.... katsy Jan 2016 #165

I find it discouraging that you can only see those 2 extremist resolutions, all men or all women uppityperson Jan 2016 #169

I proposed a solution to a bad situation that can hurt katsy Jan 2016 #174

If it is a curfew aimed at a group of people based on some characteristic like religion, it is the uppityperson Jan 2016 #175

Why curfew people that aren't associated with katsy Jan 2016 #177

"I think a reasonable curfew on young Muslim men is not undue hardship on them" uppityperson Jan 2016 #180

Where in the US have we experienced the events of NYE in Germany katsy Jan 2016 #183

My YOUNG MUSLIM MAN nephew can not be out and about when visiting family in Germany uppityperson Jan 2016 #192

Ah well dont worry I'm not chancellor. katsy Jan 2016 #193

Depending how young your nephew is nil desperandum Jan 2016 #213

I cracked up about the Karneval pictographs!!! Like people who are robbing Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #182

Read a thread down. There's a link to actual pictograph. katsy Jan 2016 #185

That's a different one for swimming pools. Not for Karneval. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #187

Nor do I. katsy Jan 2016 #190

The Local has the pictogram rtw Jan 2016 #179

I can't believe I just saw that! katsy Jan 2016 #181

YES niyad Jan 2016 #10

damn right, and we need to adapt the strategies for the on the ground realities zazen Jan 2016 #13

This is organized, group rapes. This is a growing problem, but not yet in America. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #145

This is the YouTube in your article Jim Beard Jan 2016 #3

Wiki gang rape page is a start for links on gang rape phenomenon. It is not a new thing. uppityperson Jan 2016 #5

It is a BIG thing in Europe now Jim Beard Jan 2016 #14

Rape, molestation, are awful. uppityperson Jan 2016 #22

Rape is awful, but here is a SNOPES link about this, isn't new, has been happening long before refug uppityperson Jan 2016 #59

I know you're trying to be fair... sibelian Jan 2016 #95

Of course it's not just the recent refugees. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #110

this is a subcategory- it's a hate crime against European, unveiled women as well. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #38

Horrifying. Nt postulater Jan 2016 #6

the link is not in english - what is this? greenman3610 Jan 2016 #15

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/taharrush-the-sickening-and-terrifying-arab-rape-game-that-is-s Jim Beard Jan 2016 #48

there is no punishment severe enough for the animals engaged in that criminal so-called game rollin74 Jan 2016 #47

I'd like a dart gun that chemically castrates a sexual assailant zazen Jan 2016 #11

for some time, there were sprays that, if a woman was actually able to use it, would niyad Jan 2016 #20

well, maybe they can be put back into commission? zazen Jan 2016 #24

you made several excellent points. I wasn't aware, at the time, of anybody saying niyad Jan 2016 #25

Can't string 'em up by the nuts, dammit. nt Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #28

would certainly cut down on the recidivism. niyad Jan 2016 #30

Skunk spray is also a very powerful irritant hifiguy Jan 2016 #32

I don't know if it is still on the market. niyad Jan 2016 #36

Butanethiol -- available from most chemical mfgrs. eppur_se_muova Jan 2016 #39

thank you for this information!! niyad Jan 2016 #230

I totally agree katsy Jan 2016 #21

Wonder if that exists. Great idea. And more sane self defense than a gun. JudyM Jan 2016 #23

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #88

I predict there is going to be a huge backlash against the foreigners. These men will keep.. BlueJazz Jan 2016 #35

Yes, that is a very obvious and very DANGEROUS potential consequence. sibelian Jan 2016 #94

the India times is a hindu nationalist rag that has been in trouble for inciting betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #49

Thank you for this! JackintheGreen Jan 2016 #77

This is only going to embolden the wingnuts. honeylady Jan 2016 #50

Her name is Lara Logan Jim Beard Jan 2016 #52

Why are we accepting as gospel Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #51

Because it reinforces preconceived notions of Muslims mwrguy Jan 2016 #53

It is a video of a woman being raped in a gang fashion Jim Beard Jan 2016 #54

I don't question a woman was raped Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #55

How about the BBC Dems to Win Jan 2016 #56

I would suggest Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #81

Snopes.com needs to stick and discontinue the speculation. Jim Beard Jan 2016 #82

I rarely find Snopes in error in their fact checking Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #103

Well, you can in this case. sibelian Jan 2016 #126

Really, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #139

The Cologne attacks are reasonably well characterised. sibelian Jan 2016 #140

Perhaps you can provide links to reliable media stories Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #146

Yes, Kelvin, no doubt there are problems with the American social landscape, they are not comparable sibelian Jan 2016 #155

Snopes is not a reliable source TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #194

OP has been updated with a link from Die Welt (German) nt Dems to Win Jan 2016 #57

Well, I don't speak German Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #65

I eagerly await the return of yourself and Aerows Jan 2016 #58

And the media is never wrong Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #63

Oh, so you don't want Aerows Jan 2016 #64

Got any links? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #66

I was waiting on you Aerows Jan 2016 #67

I have seen two links Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #68

Did you or did you not upthread Aerows Jan 2016 #69

I said I didn't, but I understand it to be a conservative paper Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #72

Oh, sudden Swiss relatives. Aerows Jan 2016 #74

Where did I say the BBC was unreliable? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #79

I missed the "credible news sources", would you be so kind as to point them out? uppityperson Jan 2016 #75

Die Welt and BBC Aerows Jan 2016 #76

I don't read German but he said his relatives said Die Welt was a conservative source. uppityperson Jan 2016 #86

I read German and live in Germany DFW Jan 2016 #216

Thank you. uppityperson Jan 2016 #221

Please do read the BBC story Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #80

Thank you for the link. Sexual assault is horrible, but.... uppityperson Jan 2016 #85

Snopes says street harassment & sexual assaults are nothing new, not due to refugees uppityperson Jan 2016 #60

Thanks, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #62

Snopes is out of date. sibelian Jan 2016 #119

Weren't they Algerians and Moroccans, immigrants, not refugees? uppityperson Jan 2016 #122

Not clear yet, a chunk of them are from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria. sibelian Jan 2016 #125

Here's something from the BBC: pnwmom Jan 2016 #153

I think Snopes might need to update its statement. The scale of what happened pnwmom Jan 2016 #149

The same stories are available all over the place. sibelian Jan 2016 #97

Yes, and the sources are equally unreliable Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #105

I think Snopes has just lost me. sibelian Jan 2016 #131

Snopes "lost" you? Why? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #143

They are NOT being denied shelter from war, they DON'T come from a WARZONE. sibelian Jan 2016 #144

Wikipedia, while useful Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #152

Due process is WELL under way and has ALREADY ESTABLISHED that a large number of these men sibelian Jan 2016 #157

I was not aware that a trial had taken place Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #167

Kelvin... sibelian Jan 2016 #172

Sibelian, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #205

The Cologne police have released their official inventory of the crimes that night. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #186

Right, and a police report is now conclusive proof Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #195

Well, since you refuse German sources, and only German sources report in this level of detail Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #206

I did not "refuse" German sources Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #208

You guess wrongly DFW Jan 2016 #217

And Snopes is even less authoritative! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #196

According to who? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #198

Tell me who runs Snopes TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #199

Actually, I wouldn't characterize Snopes Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #207

Classic propaganda, "Arab Rape Game". bemildred Jan 2016 #100

I am utterly devestated at how easily people on this board Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #106

Presumably the recent protests in Cologne are all a big mistake then? sibelian Jan 2016 #129

Nope, not accusing ANY woman of lying Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #222

Not anti-Muslim DFW Jan 2016 #218

I am refering to the various news stories I am seeing that describe Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #220

Point it out anyway DFW Jan 2016 #223

What is your basis for calling this an anti-Muslim newspaper? n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #148

IndiaTimes.com? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #156

There is a 13% Muslim population in India which is similar to the percent pnwmom Jan 2016 #159

Um, no, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #189

God DAMMIT, I was fooled again. You see I am on DU, I assume, and shouldnt, randys1 Jan 2016 #228

Lora Logan Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #61

article by Egyptian woman familiar with taharrush Dems to Win Jan 2016 #70

This was a very good article Marrah_G Jan 2016 #84

Many on DU will find a way to blame America Democat Jan 2016 #73

They already are. Look upthread NT Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #83

Really. It's like America destabilized the region on purpose. Octafish Jan 2016 #90

Maybe they did. Now what? sibelian Jan 2016 #93

Is that what you think? That's not what I wrote. Octafish Jan 2016 #99

Octafish, the subject of the OP is male Islamic attitudes towards women. sibelian Jan 2016 #136

Thank you for your very reasonable, well thought out posts. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #210

The US removes Hussein and destabilizes Iraq and that excuses Moroccan & Tunisian men for this? EX500rider Jan 2016 #225

k/r Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #78

what they did are crimes and the perps are charged with crimes. The worse will be deported. Sunlei Jan 2016 #102

The problem is that there were few police and hundreds of criminals. pnwmom Jan 2016 #150

Most will never be caught and never be charged. The sexual charges Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #184

Smells like rightwing bullshit. DirkGently Jan 2016 #104

It absoutely is Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #107

Totally agree philosslayer Jan 2016 #115

How many more European cities have to undergo this stuff... sibelian Jan 2016 #127

Yes, interesting they copied the "knockout game" treestar Jan 2016 #147

Bigotry, no matter what clothing it wears, is never pretty. This is Islamophobia. The Nazis KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #201

Deep in the land of denial, are we??? Let's go to Denmark. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #204

I'm just going to say it. What the fuck is wrong with so many men? Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #133

Dunno. Some of us are freaks. sibelian Jan 2016 #151

and why do so many of them want to fuck children Skittles Jan 2016 #188

Yeah, my wife was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize DFW Jan 2016 #224

Rapists should all get life sentences. NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #141

No Lurker Deluxe Jan 2016 #158

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #170

Fuck all patriarchal culture and religion zigby Jan 2016 #173

It will be more than interesting to see how the German authorities tackle this problem flamingdem Jan 2016 #191

Very true. zigby Jan 2016 #235

Amazing how quickly ideas like Kurska Jan 2016 #211

As the husband of a German woman DFW Jan 2016 #219

Right, and Jews murder Christian children to make Matzo, too! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #212