Taharrush - The Sickening And Terrifying Arab Rape Game That Is Spreading Across Europe(updated)

[Kelvin Mace]

205. Sibelian,

First let me offer my thanks for your efforts to engage with me in detail on this issue. I wish to state right off that I become greatly concerned when threads such as this start heating up, as in the absence of an actual voice and facial cues, it is easy to misunderstand someone's "tone", especially if they are incautious with their words.

Since I have not been as cautious as decorum demands, I will apologize for causing offense.

I will now try to address your points and explain my position:

We do not need a trial to know the ethnic identities of of these suspects. They've been arrested. And I am not going to wait for trials to tell me that these men really did abuse these women.

You may not require a trial, but I do, since many accusations and assertions are made which can later turn out to be mistaken or flat out lies.

I live in the U.S., in the South, and a person of "Arabic" appearance to folks around here (including the police) is anyone with dark hair, brown eyes and dark hair. I have routinely seen Jews of various nationalities (including US), Sikhs, Turks, Greeks, and even Latinos called "Muslims/Arabic"

That women were abused is not in dispute. Who the men are has yet to be ascertained, and I assume charges will be filed when all evidence and testimony is collected. Ascribing specific behavior to an entire group of people is unwise and unjust. If this accusation is going to be leveled broadly, then the burden of proof must be met.

my problem is that I live on a continent run by politicians who think rape is a political football whose bounciness and/or flaccidity depends on the ethnicity of the rapist. As far as I'm concerned that's Utterly Fucking Nuts.

On that view, I completely concur. Rape is unacceptable now matter who commits it and it should be vigorously prosecuted and punished without regard to perpetrator's race, religion, ethnicity, celebrity, political connection, wealth, etc.

Sadly, that is seldom the case.

This is not "black box" "He said, she said" rape. There are MULTIPLE eyewitness testimonies of something that happened in public.

Again, I do not contest this. What I question is the narrative that this was an organized/planned action. That a group of Muslim men sat down, decided that in cities across Europe they were going to go around a rape women. I can certainly believe that large groups of men, such as would congregate in formidable numbers for a holiday celebration, who find themselves intoxicated and in a place where police presence is thin to non-existent, do behave in a vile manner. Mobs, especially ones that are drunk, are ugly, unpredictable, and violent. I have had my run-ins with them over the years and have the scars, physical and mental. (NONE of these circumstances "excuse" violence and I do not view intoxication as "mitigating" in ANY way).

I presume you must know that I live in Scotland and voted for indpendence, of course I'm not unaware of the Telegraph and their endless befuddlement over Sturgeon and the SNP.

Actually, I didn't, or I would have not mentioned it. I did look at your profile, but did not see your nationality listed.

I did actually post Hinsliffe's article in GD recently, I don't know if you saw that. It was rape apologist drivel, basically, and was widely slammed for the same in the comments section, which I asked DU to read. I do NOT want a world in which Katie bloody Hopkins makes more sense than the Guardian. Unfortunately that's the one I seem to be being asked to live in.

No, I didn't see the post, so if you have a link, I would appreciate it. And I agree, there is NEVER an excuse for rape and I am greatly vexed to hear the usual bullshit trotted out to "explain" it by the usual suspects. So, no, I am not going to offer up the "not all men" defense since the truth is "too many damned men" for any number of men greater than zero.

No I did not post that story as evidence for the validity of the term under discussion in this thread, I posted that link as an illustration of the problems likely to arise if the phenomenon isn't recognised and dealt with, as anyone with basic reading comprehension skills could easily discern for themselves by reading my post.

Then I must apologize for my lack of basic reading comprehension, as the point eluded me, hence my expression of perplexity.

It's got nothing to do with the right wing UNTIL we leave it to fester to the extent that the entire populace of Europe, left AND right abandon the virtue-signalling problem-ignoring left to it's metropolitan bubble and its own devices and votes for conservatives for the next five generations. That's the second thing I don't want.

True, it is not a problem specific to any political view, just 50% of the population, give or take.

The FIRST thing I don't want is a whole bunch of feckless, obnoxious teenaged neds from ALGERIA and TUNISIA using SYRIAN suffering as a backdoor to publically molesting my next-door neighbour at the next Edinburgh Festival because she's well-dressed and currently single.

And I agree but would also say that I do not wish that fate to befall her (or you, or any woman) at the hands of any man, regardless of country of origin.

I LIKE my next-door neighbour. She feeds my cats when I'm on holiday and encourages me in my self-employed aspirations. She's my friend. Also, I don't think she deserves it.

No one does. And people who will feed your cats and encourage your career are to be especially appreciated. (No snark, I have a cat and three dogs, all rescues, so I can grok a good pet sitter

Did you read any of the news links I posted in response to you elsewhere in this thread?

I would point out that there are something like 200 posts in this thread and I am now combing back through for what I have missed. I have found The Guardian article and will read it tonight. Are there any others?

To recap, I do not in any way doubt that assaults took place, nor do I excuse in any way anyone guilty of such behavior. That said, I am also opposed to witch hunts, as I have seen a few in my day that utterly destroyed innocent people. I am NOT accusing you of being part of a witch hunt, nor anyone else. I am simply cautioning people to wait until we have the whole story, or at least a lot more of it than we do know.

I know that annoys the hell out of some people who are certain of guilt. But in my defense, I am just the kind of person you want on a jury if you are ever unjustly accused of a crime.



Good evening, and thank you for your time.