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Yo_Mama

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206. Well, since you refuse German sources, and only German sources report in this level of detail

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:38 PM

Jan 2016

I think you've constructed yourself an ironclad wall against the truth.

But most people won't want to live in it.

You could always try translate.google.de

Hamburg:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/uebergriffe-in-silvesternacht-hamburg-ermittelt-gegen-acht-tatverdaechtige-14015202.html

Refugees speaking of what they saw in Koeln:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/fluechtlinge-sprechen-ueber-koeln-es-war-wie-auf-dem-viehmarkt-14012173.html

Clearly part of the rightwing conspiracy.

Syrian refugees who helped a woman who was attacked in Koeln (the rightwing conspiracy is everywhere!!!) I found this one in English for you:
http://www.dw.com/en/how-syrian-refugees-helped-an-american-student-during-the-cologne-attacks/a-18985740

The police list, 676 reports, etc:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/silvesternacht-in-koeln-hatten-die-taten-system-14017964.html

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Taharrush - The Sickening And Terrifying Arab Rape Game That Is Spreading Across Europe(updated) [View all] Dems to Win Jan 2016 OP

What a lovely culture, hifiguy Jan 2016 #1

Rape culture is "lovely, deserving of our respect and acceptance"? Who says that? uppityperson Jan 2016 #4

The cultural relativists will be showing up any time now. hifiguy Jan 2016 #7

Again, this is confusing since that is what you did. uppityperson Jan 2016 #17

The sarcasm Mendocino Jan 2016 #40

thank you for that information. would you please post it as its own OP for greater niyad Jan 2016 #8

ah, how many rapes does India "REPORT" a year Jim Beard Jan 2016 #12

Looks like they don't collect is separately. I don't have an answer, but here's the wiki bit uppityperson Jan 2016 #19

They still do a far better job than we do. We don't "report" very many synergie Jan 2016 #202

rape culture is seen in many cultures. in the US college sports military JI7 Jan 2016 #42

Not to that degree. Not close. hifiguy Jan 2016 #43

you are denying what exists in the US. There is a serious problem with what is JI7 Jan 2016 #44

Thank you for stating that so well. uppityperson Jan 2016 #45

We could just as easily accuse you of "attacking" colleges sports and military as an "entire group" sibelian Jan 2016 #96

i just said in that post there is a problem with the culture JI7 Jan 2016 #111

Fair enough. It just IRRITATES me when people start making comparisons... sibelian Jan 2016 #116

the comparison is stupid but so is to claim the type of sexual assault JI7 Jan 2016 #117

Well, I wonder if hifiguy thought that was what YOU were doing. sibelian Jan 2016 #118

the problem i have is some seem to be going from acknowledging this is a serious problem JI7 Jan 2016 #200

It's an extremely awkward and complicated situation. MANY factors impinge on this. sibelian Jan 2016 #215

I can't remember when I have been surrounded by a gang of white, black or hispanic smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #123

I suppose you and your supporters have forgotten Abe Ghraib? As the KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #197

Congratulations !!! First up to validate this behavior. nt clarice Jan 2016 #171

Rape is terrifying and sickening wherever it happens underthematrix Jan 2016 #2

Did you read the article? katsy Jan 2016 #9

+1 Dems to Win Jan 2016 #16

"chances are LEO would break the rapist's head"????? what in the HELLLLLL are you smoking? niyad Jan 2016 #18

Chickenshit DAs refuse to prosecute good ole boys in Texas, by the way. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #27

she apparently heard the old, hateful saying, "the only good rape victim is a dead one" niyad Jan 2016 #29

Calm down katsy Jan 2016 #33

no, it isn't, which is why your comment was disturbing. niyad Jan 2016 #37

Calm down?!? chervilant Jan 2016 #41

Which comments? katsy Jan 2016 #46

Let's start with: chervilant Jan 2016 #98

You are all over the map with your screed katsy Jan 2016 #101

Most rapes in the US 1939 Jan 2016 #108

Indeed, and chervilant Jan 2016 #109

That may be true, in general, chervilant Jan 2016 #236

Hell, rightwing males believe randys1 Jan 2016 #226

that conversation is had here on a regular basis, as well. mind-boggling on a niyad Jan 2016 #232

I think that is two separate issues. I haven't heard of instances in the US where 1500 men surround stevenleser Jan 2016 #91

no, no, NO philosslayer Jan 2016 #26

Yes yes yes katsy Jan 2016 #34

You say yes yes yes to "Do you think all Muslim men should be prohibited from entering the United... uppityperson Jan 2016 #71

I didn't say that. katsy Jan 2016 #89

Yes, absolutely. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #128

Just to clarify, you want to ban all men of a certain religion from entering the USA? uppityperson Jan 2016 #130

Only if they are young and single. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #134

Casey Kasem was sooooo scary, as is Ahmed Zewail. Incredible, ban all male Muslims from the USA. uppityperson Jan 2016 #135

And you are hearing this crap on an alleged liberal message board. Imagine the garbage randys1 Jan 2016 #227

It is amazing, to frame it as "you don't care about women", to me. uppityperson Jan 2016 #229

And after all this turns out the source is bullshit...usually I am good about not falling randys1 Jan 2016 #233

Was this discredited beyond the snopes link I posted? Thanks. uppityperson Jan 2016 #234

Older married men don't cause problems with women? uppityperson Jan 2016 #231

I didn't address that question at all katsy Jan 2016 #137

That was in reply to smirkymonkey who agrees with banning all young male muslims uppityperson Jan 2016 #138

I don't really see the problem with that. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #142

You don't see a problem with broadbrush bigotry against everyone of a religion? uppityperson Jan 2016 #154

Cough. Ahem. With the greatest of respect, Sir/Ma'am, we are not talking about your nation. sibelian Jan 2016 #160

YOU may be, but THEY said "Yes, absolutely" to the question about the USA. uppityperson Jan 2016 #161

Well, Ok sorry. sibelian Jan 2016 #163

So my cousin can not visit his family in France because he's muslim? Oh. uppityperson Jan 2016 #164

Yes, he CAN and and the USA soldiers are already US citizens, I assume... sibelian Jan 2016 #166

Thank you for seeing this on an individual basis. I agree with what you write here, do not agree uppityperson Jan 2016 #168

Well. I have to say I certainly understand your reticence to go down that path. sibelian Jan 2016 #176

The USA needs to ban big C Christians as they cause most of the problems here uppityperson Jan 2016 #178

That is a powerful observation and I agree with you with regards to emotional intelligence. sibelian Jan 2016 #214

Nope. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #203

Only muslim men assault women, in your view? Bigotry is a nasty thing to see here uppityperson Jan 2016 #209

Yes, absolutely. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #132

What is YOUR SOLUTION? sibelian Jan 2016 #92

Well, well, what a surprise. hifiguy Jan 2016 #113

No kiddin'. sibelian Jan 2016 #120

These assaults are a blanket punishment to ALL women. This is punishment to women for not behaving Squinch Jan 2016 #112

Blammo. hifiguy Jan 2016 #114

D'ACCORD. sibelian Jan 2016 #121

Thank you for your comment underthematrix Jan 2016 #31

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #87

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #124

"Germany should immediately enforce curfew on Muslim men"? Maybe they should have them wear a patch uppityperson Jan 2016 #162

Yeah becuz better than a curfew on men.... katsy Jan 2016 #165

I find it discouraging that you can only see those 2 extremist resolutions, all men or all women uppityperson Jan 2016 #169

I proposed a solution to a bad situation that can hurt katsy Jan 2016 #174

If it is a curfew aimed at a group of people based on some characteristic like religion, it is the uppityperson Jan 2016 #175

Why curfew people that aren't associated with katsy Jan 2016 #177

"I think a reasonable curfew on young Muslim men is not undue hardship on them" uppityperson Jan 2016 #180

Where in the US have we experienced the events of NYE in Germany katsy Jan 2016 #183

My YOUNG MUSLIM MAN nephew can not be out and about when visiting family in Germany uppityperson Jan 2016 #192

Ah well dont worry I'm not chancellor. katsy Jan 2016 #193

Depending how young your nephew is nil desperandum Jan 2016 #213

I cracked up about the Karneval pictographs!!! Like people who are robbing Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #182

Read a thread down. There's a link to actual pictograph. katsy Jan 2016 #185

That's a different one for swimming pools. Not for Karneval. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #187

Nor do I. katsy Jan 2016 #190

The Local has the pictogram rtw Jan 2016 #179

I can't believe I just saw that! katsy Jan 2016 #181

YES niyad Jan 2016 #10

damn right, and we need to adapt the strategies for the on the ground realities zazen Jan 2016 #13

This is organized, group rapes. This is a growing problem, but not yet in America. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #145

This is the YouTube in your article Jim Beard Jan 2016 #3

Wiki gang rape page is a start for links on gang rape phenomenon. It is not a new thing. uppityperson Jan 2016 #5

It is a BIG thing in Europe now Jim Beard Jan 2016 #14

Rape, molestation, are awful. uppityperson Jan 2016 #22

Rape is awful, but here is a SNOPES link about this, isn't new, has been happening long before refug uppityperson Jan 2016 #59

I know you're trying to be fair... sibelian Jan 2016 #95

Of course it's not just the recent refugees. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #110

this is a subcategory- it's a hate crime against European, unveiled women as well. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #38

Horrifying. Nt postulater Jan 2016 #6

the link is not in english - what is this? greenman3610 Jan 2016 #15

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/taharrush-the-sickening-and-terrifying-arab-rape-game-that-is-s Jim Beard Jan 2016 #48

there is no punishment severe enough for the animals engaged in that criminal so-called game rollin74 Jan 2016 #47

I'd like a dart gun that chemically castrates a sexual assailant zazen Jan 2016 #11

for some time, there were sprays that, if a woman was actually able to use it, would niyad Jan 2016 #20

well, maybe they can be put back into commission? zazen Jan 2016 #24

you made several excellent points. I wasn't aware, at the time, of anybody saying niyad Jan 2016 #25

Can't string 'em up by the nuts, dammit. nt Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #28

would certainly cut down on the recidivism. niyad Jan 2016 #30

Skunk spray is also a very powerful irritant hifiguy Jan 2016 #32

I don't know if it is still on the market. niyad Jan 2016 #36

Butanethiol -- available from most chemical mfgrs. eppur_se_muova Jan 2016 #39

thank you for this information!! niyad Jan 2016 #230

I totally agree katsy Jan 2016 #21

Wonder if that exists. Great idea. And more sane self defense than a gun. JudyM Jan 2016 #23

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #88

I predict there is going to be a huge backlash against the foreigners. These men will keep.. BlueJazz Jan 2016 #35

Yes, that is a very obvious and very DANGEROUS potential consequence. sibelian Jan 2016 #94

the India times is a hindu nationalist rag that has been in trouble for inciting betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #49

Thank you for this! JackintheGreen Jan 2016 #77

This is only going to embolden the wingnuts. honeylady Jan 2016 #50

Her name is Lara Logan Jim Beard Jan 2016 #52

Why are we accepting as gospel Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #51

Because it reinforces preconceived notions of Muslims mwrguy Jan 2016 #53

It is a video of a woman being raped in a gang fashion Jim Beard Jan 2016 #54

I don't question a woman was raped Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #55

How about the BBC Dems to Win Jan 2016 #56

I would suggest Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #81

Snopes.com needs to stick and discontinue the speculation. Jim Beard Jan 2016 #82

I rarely find Snopes in error in their fact checking Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #103

Well, you can in this case. sibelian Jan 2016 #126

Really, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #139

The Cologne attacks are reasonably well characterised. sibelian Jan 2016 #140

Perhaps you can provide links to reliable media stories Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #146

Yes, Kelvin, no doubt there are problems with the American social landscape, they are not comparable sibelian Jan 2016 #155

Snopes is not a reliable source TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #194

OP has been updated with a link from Die Welt (German) nt Dems to Win Jan 2016 #57

Well, I don't speak German Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #65

I eagerly await the return of yourself and Aerows Jan 2016 #58

And the media is never wrong Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #63

Oh, so you don't want Aerows Jan 2016 #64

Got any links? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #66

I was waiting on you Aerows Jan 2016 #67

I have seen two links Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #68

Did you or did you not upthread Aerows Jan 2016 #69

I said I didn't, but I understand it to be a conservative paper Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #72

Oh, sudden Swiss relatives. Aerows Jan 2016 #74

Where did I say the BBC was unreliable? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #79

I missed the "credible news sources", would you be so kind as to point them out? uppityperson Jan 2016 #75

Die Welt and BBC Aerows Jan 2016 #76

I don't read German but he said his relatives said Die Welt was a conservative source. uppityperson Jan 2016 #86

I read German and live in Germany DFW Jan 2016 #216

Thank you. uppityperson Jan 2016 #221

Please do read the BBC story Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #80

Thank you for the link. Sexual assault is horrible, but.... uppityperson Jan 2016 #85

Snopes says street harassment & sexual assaults are nothing new, not due to refugees uppityperson Jan 2016 #60

Thanks, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #62

Snopes is out of date. sibelian Jan 2016 #119

Weren't they Algerians and Moroccans, immigrants, not refugees? uppityperson Jan 2016 #122

Not clear yet, a chunk of them are from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria. sibelian Jan 2016 #125

Here's something from the BBC: pnwmom Jan 2016 #153

I think Snopes might need to update its statement. The scale of what happened pnwmom Jan 2016 #149

The same stories are available all over the place. sibelian Jan 2016 #97

Yes, and the sources are equally unreliable Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #105

I think Snopes has just lost me. sibelian Jan 2016 #131

Snopes "lost" you? Why? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #143

They are NOT being denied shelter from war, they DON'T come from a WARZONE. sibelian Jan 2016 #144

Wikipedia, while useful Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #152

Due process is WELL under way and has ALREADY ESTABLISHED that a large number of these men sibelian Jan 2016 #157

I was not aware that a trial had taken place Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #167

Kelvin... sibelian Jan 2016 #172

Sibelian, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #205

The Cologne police have released their official inventory of the crimes that night. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #186

Right, and a police report is now conclusive proof Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #195

Well, since you refuse German sources, and only German sources report in this level of detail Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #206

I did not "refuse" German sources Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #208

You guess wrongly DFW Jan 2016 #217

And Snopes is even less authoritative! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #196

According to who? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #198

Tell me who runs Snopes TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #199

Actually, I wouldn't characterize Snopes Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #207

Classic propaganda, "Arab Rape Game". bemildred Jan 2016 #100

I am utterly devestated at how easily people on this board Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #106

Presumably the recent protests in Cologne are all a big mistake then? sibelian Jan 2016 #129

Nope, not accusing ANY woman of lying Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #222

Not anti-Muslim DFW Jan 2016 #218

I am refering to the various news stories I am seeing that describe Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #220

Point it out anyway DFW Jan 2016 #223

What is your basis for calling this an anti-Muslim newspaper? n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #148

IndiaTimes.com? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #156

There is a 13% Muslim population in India which is similar to the percent pnwmom Jan 2016 #159

Um, no, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #189

God DAMMIT, I was fooled again. You see I am on DU, I assume, and shouldnt, randys1 Jan 2016 #228

Lora Logan Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #61

article by Egyptian woman familiar with taharrush Dems to Win Jan 2016 #70

This was a very good article Marrah_G Jan 2016 #84

Many on DU will find a way to blame America Democat Jan 2016 #73

They already are. Look upthread NT Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #83

Really. It's like America destabilized the region on purpose. Octafish Jan 2016 #90

Maybe they did. Now what? sibelian Jan 2016 #93

Is that what you think? That's not what I wrote. Octafish Jan 2016 #99

Octafish, the subject of the OP is male Islamic attitudes towards women. sibelian Jan 2016 #136

Thank you for your very reasonable, well thought out posts. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #210

The US removes Hussein and destabilizes Iraq and that excuses Moroccan & Tunisian men for this? EX500rider Jan 2016 #225

k/r Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #78

what they did are crimes and the perps are charged with crimes. The worse will be deported. Sunlei Jan 2016 #102

The problem is that there were few police and hundreds of criminals. pnwmom Jan 2016 #150

Most will never be caught and never be charged. The sexual charges Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #184

Smells like rightwing bullshit. DirkGently Jan 2016 #104

It absoutely is Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #107

Totally agree philosslayer Jan 2016 #115

How many more European cities have to undergo this stuff... sibelian Jan 2016 #127

Yes, interesting they copied the "knockout game" treestar Jan 2016 #147

Bigotry, no matter what clothing it wears, is never pretty. This is Islamophobia. The Nazis KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #201

Deep in the land of denial, are we??? Let's go to Denmark. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #204

I'm just going to say it. What the fuck is wrong with so many men? Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #133

Dunno. Some of us are freaks. sibelian Jan 2016 #151

and why do so many of them want to fuck children Skittles Jan 2016 #188

Yeah, my wife was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize DFW Jan 2016 #224

Rapists should all get life sentences. NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #141

No Lurker Deluxe Jan 2016 #158

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #170

Fuck all patriarchal culture and religion zigby Jan 2016 #173

It will be more than interesting to see how the German authorities tackle this problem flamingdem Jan 2016 #191

Very true. zigby Jan 2016 #235

Amazing how quickly ideas like Kurska Jan 2016 #211

As the husband of a German woman DFW Jan 2016 #219

Right, and Jews murder Christian children to make Matzo, too! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #212