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52. That is neither logical nor reasonable.

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 04:11 PM

Dec 2011

If you bother to read the article, you'll see that he has not indicated 'hope' for these events to occur. I don't know if this logic is easy for most people, but it should be. He is saying that it is inevitable that people will be targeted. The point of this excerpt:

There will be violence, mark my words. Houses burnt, property defaced. I just hope that this time the mob targets the right people in Wall Street and in Washington.

- Is the "hope" not that there will be violence, but that when the violence occurs, innocent people are not targeted.

So let me ask you this: Given that his belief in an outcome is absolute, and if you were in his shoes and certain of this eventuality, would you hope that the 'wrong' people are targeted, or the people responsible for destroying the economy and corrupting democracy are targeted?

You have deliberately sidestepped logic to arrive at your conclusion. Please review.

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And there it is Matthew.... socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #88

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What is your solution? Bandit Dec 2011 #82

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Excremental mist. Nt xchrom Dec 2011 #4

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great article! FirstLight Dec 2011 #12

Kickety rec! hifiguy Dec 2011 #13

K&R!!! n/t horseshoecrab Dec 2011 #14

What a fucking hack surfdog Dec 2011 #15

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not odd 2pooped2pop Dec 2011 #120

Where did you see him advocate terrorism? Jazzgirl Dec 2011 #35

It's right there... surfdog Dec 2011 #38

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I asked you a question that exposes the lie behind your position. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #73

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Your second postition is ludicrous. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #75

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God, I hope so. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #23

K&R - I hope I live to see this. bullwinkle428 Dec 2011 #24

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those fuckwads are not Americans 2pooped2pop Dec 2011 #122

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Great rant by one who is/has been there; greiner3 Dec 2011 #30

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I sort of go with H. L. Mencken. Downwinder Dec 2011 #32

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I'm beginning to agree with you. n/t Johnson20 Dec 2011 #61

K & R. Thank you for posting it. n/t Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #41

I hope I live to see it. CanonRay Dec 2011 #45

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After reading this article abelenkpe Dec 2011 #49

I disagree surfdog Dec 2011 #51

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He's not merely an observer, he's a cheerleader onenote Dec 2011 #63

I'm going to assume you were not being deliberately dishonest The Doctor. Dec 2011 #79

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K&R! blackspade Dec 2011 #58

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